Rapid Muscle Recovery
Will Werner 25 Oct 2013
The focus of the project rests on the shoulders of science, in that the findings must hold up against scientific studies and not just anedtodal evidence.
Longecity is all about extending the quality, and not just the quantity, of the years we have left and neglecting one's recovery from intense physical training can lead to increased risk of serious injury and potentially even keeping one from completing their everyday activities. Therefore, my projects goals are somewhat intertwined with Longecity's.
Of those who have any personal experience or scientific backgrounds in exercise physiology or a related field, what methods of enhancing workout recovery have worked for you or seem scientifically plausible?
Thanks,
Will Werner
RJ23_1989 25 Oct 2013
Probably the most cutting edge substance I have at the moment is Carbon 60 lipofullerene. Please see my review thread below. Unfortunately it's largely anecdotal as C60 use in humans has yet to be explored in this manner. I'd also like to touch on GHRH/GHRP peptide use as well as Thymosin Beta 4 when I have more time.
http://www.longecity...xercise,-and-Me
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Also, injecting L-carnitine in conjunction with elevated insulin levels and Dimethylglycine. For all except C60 I have a wealth of peer reviewed scientific studies.
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Will Werner 05 Nov 2013
What sport is C60 most used by? Distance athletes?
Mind 05 Nov 2013
zorba990 05 Nov 2013
RJ23_1989 07 Nov 2013
Thanks for the quick response, Patrick. Any other suggestions are always welcome. I'll look into L-carnitine very soon.
What sport is C60 most used by? Distance athletes?
I'm not aware of its use being very prevalent at all outside of a few places on the Internet where its being discussed here and there on a few forums. If it is in use in athletics, its likely being kept quiet as I can't see how this wouldn't end up on the WADA list of banned substances. Its primary benefit I have found is delayed muscle fatigue, in some sort of way buffering the buildup of lactic acid/ROS, whatever.
I didn't find it much benefit in distance running where you're basically going full aerobic for the majority of the time. Something like this could have a huge impact on say a sprinter or some other related type of sport where you get a rapid buildup of anaerobic/hybrid muscle byproducts. It has a fantastic ability to scavenge these byproducts. That makes a lot of sense given the byproducts of pure aerobic energy expenditure are C02 and water and it has no effect in that area.
Anyhow, it also had a significant impact on recovery time. I found it cut my return to a rested state by at least a third after doing intense bouts of exercise.
On a side note disregard my suggestion on DMG. I've used it for a while now and find that while it is helpful somewhat in improving primarily aerobic performance, it is by no means a game changer.
Edited by PatrickM500, 07 November 2013 - 09:10 PM.
nowayout 07 Nov 2013
I'm not aware of its use being very prevalent at all outside of a few places on the Internet where its being discussed here and there on a few forums. If it is in use in athletics, its likely being kept quiet as I can't see how this wouldn't end up on the WADA list of banned substances. Its primary benefit I have found is delayed muscle fatigue, in some sort of way buffering the buildup of lactic acid/ROS, whatever.
To say this as if it were fact, as opposed to speculation based on a small number of anecdotes, is misleading, especially when we are talking of subjective experiences of perceived effort and perceived fatigue that are highly subject to placebo effect. Many more positive anecdotes exist for, say, l-carnitine, or GHRPs, and are not being taken particularly seriously by most of us. Why should C60 be singled out?
I also think it borders on irresponsibility to promote something like this without at least pointing out that this is a substance that is possibly unsafe. If we are to admit anecdotes of benefit, then we must pay particular attention to the number of anecdotes, including in these forums, of side effects as well.
RJ23_1989 07 Nov 2013
"Unfortunately it's largely anecdotal as C60 use in humans has yet to be explored in this manner."
No one is promoting anything here. In fact, I clearly state in my log on C60 the exact opposite of what you are implying. But whatever.
More to the point - Will asked, "What methods of enhancing workout recovery have worked for you or sound scientifically plausible?"
These are the answers.
Will is a big boy and I'm sure he can make his own decisions without you throwing in your own opinion (esp. on topics you have zero personal experience in). I don't recall this being about a debate on these topics and I'm not going to do that.
chung_pao 02 Dec 2013
Growth factors (hormones), Nutrient availability, Insulin (nutrient retention rather than circulation in blood-stream) and Sleep.
I bet I could recover from any maximal effort in 48 hours, if that was really ALL I was doing.
You have the capacity to recover VERY quickly, if you decide to disregard many other aspects of health, such as wakefulness and mood.
If avoiding anabolic steroids and insulin injections, I'd aim at increasing intake of nutrient required for muscle synthesis: protein, cholesterol and fatty acids.
Additional supplementation with leucine might help with protein retention, milk-protein is a rich source.
I also think INFLAMMATION can be manipulated very effectively for anabolic purposes. For example post-workout arachidonic acid ingestion.
For example:
Pre-workout carbohydrates -> Forskolin and PDE-inhibition during workout (maximize cAMP) -> Postworkout: high intakes of arachidonic-acid rich organ meats (e.g. chicken heart) and massive amounts of milk-proteins.
The organs meat for maximal inflammation and recovery rate IN the stimulated tissues, and milk-proteins for maximal protein retention.
Edited by chung_pao, 02 December 2013 - 08:54 PM.
kelka 02 Dec 2013
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mrd1 06 Dec 2013
140mcg of clenbuterol
aspirin 81mg
niacin 1000mg
creatine 5000mg
clomid 25 mg
Although, I should note I have extremely severe ADHD am a 18 y/0 old male and have test levels in the 1153mg/ml range (300-800 population range)
I do
blood deprivation legs workout for non mTOR dependent hypertrophy
upper or lower body workout for mTOR dependent hypertrophy (not to failure)
stretching 15 min/ muscle group for prostaglandin inhibihition mediated growth.
*** I take tenex and benadyrl at night to prevent tolerance and yohimbine and green tea fat burners and tumeric and green bean coffee extrack and fishoil. .
Hebbeh 08 Dec 2013
I do three workouts a day and seem to cover within 24 hours
But you said...
http://www.longecity...eo/page__st__60
TBH, my diet is almost entirely supplements. I fast all day. Then eat like 2500-3000 calories of ok to pretty healthy food at night. And, I take clenbuterol everyday instead of doing much serious exercise. This is what not to do. However, I do feel totally blissed out. So, ill take chemicals over certain food anyday.
Which is it? I call BS....
blood 08 Dec 2013
http://suppversity.b...ing-5-days.html
(apologies for the appallingly tortuous sentence construction - Suppversity is a pain to read, but the info is often good)
BioFreak 20 Dec 2013
mrd1 20 Dec 2013
TSX TypeR 03 Feb 2014
The effect of electrical stimulation on recovery from exercise-induced muscle damage
http://bjsm.bmj.com/.../A21.1.abstract
Edit: Added the research.
Edited by TSX TypeR, 03 February 2014 - 02:38 AM.
jadamgo 14 Feb 2014
Also, and this is just anecdotal, a 30g casein shake and a big bowl of steel-cut oats with 1 tbsp of oat bran, right before bedtime. Bulk phases only, but personally I find it speeds recovery.
Back to empirically supported, for joint wear and tear, glucosamine/chondroitin/msm appears helpful. Also, the SARMs may be safer than the classical steroids, and certainly there's an evidence base for androgenics speeding recovery. I'll let everyone know how the current ostarine run goes.
Will Werner 14 Jun 2014
Thank you all for the posts. Sorry for the late response. Had my hands full this past year. Haha.
Muscle recovery is a way an athlete can improve their ability to train harder more often, yet it is only part of the equation as BioFreak pointed out.
The ability to recovery effectively and efficiently relies on forcing the body to adapt in sport-specific ways (Ex: Powerlifters bodies need more strength, distance runners need more endurance). Project RMR is geared more to athletes who are incredibly serious about training. I believe athletes need to train very hard, very often. The training frequency must be very high to force the body into supercompensation, no matter what sport a person is involved in. With high training volume, recuperative abilities must be enhanced both for injury prevention and continually improving in any sport.
I will look into the above substances. A few of them I haven't heard of, possibly because I am not very familiar with distance athlete supplement regimens.
I think there is a lot of promise in preventing secondary muscle damage post-training, when some ROS can inflict unnecessary harm on adjacent healthy muscle fibers. I believe it is the ROS from neutrophils that is one of, if not the cause.
Nutrition is key in this equation too. I believe a diet that is high and mainly focused on grass-fed beef, root vegetables, massive amounts of green veggies works well for anaerobic athletes. Thoughts?
Multivitz 16 Dec 2015
The fastest way, without beating around the bush without the many factor, the fastest way I have seen, the one way that has minimal side effects, the most natural substance that is safe, a substance that heals sprains (thats reattach the muscle to the bone)(overnight) is...........
Multivitz 16 Dec 2015
Multivitz 16 Dec 2015
There is scientific research and solid theory to it, but you know the establishment by now, if it ain't going to be patentable they will protect their intrest through idiots that are good at parroting. There's probably other substances like D-Ribose and Liposomals but DMSO makes it difficult to overdo by way of it's nature.
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kurdishfella 17 Feb 2022
pure glocuse in form of dextrose change to other types . body stores 400g in body and more if you workout in muscle cells. So sugar can help muscles. Also stored fat like oils omega 3, vitamin a , e etc fatty acids and amino acids. it might take a few to see results if low. glucose also affects your body smell odour for the better sweeter way etc
Edited by kurdishfella, 17 February 2022 - 10:46 AM.