Ecstacy or MDMA, cure for social phobia, s...
Raptor87 03 Aug 2012
What I am wondering is, has anyone done this? Does it work long term? Could you tell me about your experience?
Finally, where the hell can one get such therapy?
Edited by Brainfogged, 03 August 2012 - 10:14 PM.
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medievil 03 Aug 2012
protoject 04 Aug 2012
However, I do think MDMA has amazing potential as a medicine. First of all , very infrequently at a regular dose it might help , especially combined with psychotherapy.
if used at low doses and someone's looking to use it over the long term, so I would say 20 mg or so might be okay. but I'm no doctor. I just think that someone can reap benefits like anxiolysis and helping social problems, and it can be a good antidepressant, at this low dose. Not sure if frequent dosing is maintainable at that level, but since it's so low, I would assume there to be no adverse effect on its own. It wouldn't be strong enough to overpower the body and the mind in an obstrusive way, and it wouldn't be strong enough to cause much tolerance, and it would probably be out of your system faster so that you could receive the effect again.
All conjecture of course.
Maybe it's possible, or maybe not. I'm not sure if that effect would be strong enough for everyone to get the therapeutic benefit they are seeking.
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Raptor87 07 Aug 2012
Is it possible to give yourself selftherapy with MDMA.
Reformed-Redan 08 Aug 2012
Self therapy with MDMA sounds like a bad idea. You could find yourself in a worse state after the "self therapy session".It seems the results come from pure MDMA and not Ecstacy. So we need to take E out of this equation.
Is it possible to give yourself selftherapy with MDMA.
medievil 08 Aug 2012
At treshold doses it felt rather anoying (like some treshold "orgasmic" feeling added to it but in a weird level hard to explain lol) AMT (wich was actually used as a antidepressant, MDAI wich i trialled for a few weeks in treshold doses and things like 4FA are far better sero releasers for therapeutic use).I was an abuser, so I can definitely say that abusing it is the wrong option and that this might cause brain damage or organ failure, as well as tolerance to the drugs beneficial psychological effect.
However, I do think MDMA has amazing potential as a medicine. First of all , very infrequently at a regular dose it might help , especially combined with psychotherapy.
if used at low doses and someone's looking to use it over the long term, so I would say 20 mg or so might be okay. but I'm no doctor. I just think that someone can reap benefits like anxiolysis and helping social problems, and it can be a good antidepressant, at this low dose. Not sure if frequent dosing is maintainable at that level, but since it's so low, I would assume there to be no adverse effect on its own. It wouldn't be strong enough to overpower the body and the mind in an obstrusive way, and it wouldn't be strong enough to cause much tolerance, and it would probably be out of your system faster so that you could receive the effect again.
All conjecture of course.
Maybe it's possible, or maybe not. I'm not sure if that effect would be strong enough for everyone to get the therapeutic benefit they are seeking.
Thorsten3 08 Aug 2012
I haven't taken either though for about 5 years now. I don't have access to it.
I think the damage to my brain was through a very bad cannabis habit (made me pychotic eventually and definitely contributed to my bad mental health) and bad ecstasy batches (well, a combination of the two during a time when my brain was still clearly developing from ages 18-22). The comedowns from some of these E tablets were just awful. You go from being in heaven to hell in an instant.
MDMA may also have done damage but I only ever got hold of it about 6 or 7 times. But yeah, no crash with MDMA...
Who knows whether it would be neurotoxic in potentialy theraputic threshold doses
Edited by Thorsten2, 08 August 2012 - 06:21 PM.
Raptor87 09 Aug 2012
medievil 11 Aug 2012
It feels alot more therapeutic then mpa as its alot less euphoric in low doses however it seems alot more functional, because of the sero release it also seems to work better for my OCD and it doesnt cause any anxiety at all, nor any mild tremors wich most stims cause for me.
Very interesting, ill see how it goes
Debaser 14 Aug 2012
I'm not sure about MDMA for long-term use. I have no idea about low dosages, but generally I wouldn't recommend it. MDMA drains you. You have the best night of your life whilst on it, but then you need to recover. Of course, on a lower dose it won't be quite so strong, but we can learn a lot about what a drug is doing by what it does at higher dosages. I'd say the fact that tolerance builds and if you take it frequently you'll get less and less benefit until it's doing nothing means that it should not be used as a long-term solution.
However, it really can open up your eyes and make you perceive things differently even after it's worn off. That feeling when you are on it, try to remember how you feel. I usually find that for a few weeks afterwards I'm more social and more talkative and less afraid of talking to strangers. For the following 3 days I usually have an afterglow. I don't even feel bad, just content. I think it can change the way you think and the way you perceive things. A bit like how CBT gets you to change the way you think about things, MDMA forces those changes, and you might continue thinking like that afterwards.
I certainly generally recommend that anyone who is shy or socially anxious try it at least once. At the very least it'll be the best night of your life. And there's a chance that you'll have lasting changes. I'm a much more open person since. Of course, over time the "bad thoughts" and social anxiety "what ifs" creep back in, but I'm in a better place than I was before. Think of it like having your eyes opened. How can you make yourself be more open and social if you don't know what it's like to be like that? Envisioning yourself being confident is a common method people advise for being more confident.
Edited by Debaser, 14 August 2012 - 08:33 PM.
Raptor87 17 Aug 2012
Major Legend 17 Aug 2012
At the initial examination, there were no statistically significant differences in any of the neuropsychological test scores between persistent Ecstasy-naive subjects and future Ecstasy users. However, at follow-up, change scores on immediate and delayed verbal recall and verbal recognition were significantly lower in the group of incident Ecstasy users compared with persistent Ecstasy-naive subjects. There were no significant differences on other test scores.
CONCLUSIONS:
Our findings suggest that even a first low cumulative dose of Ecstasy is associated with decline in verbal memory. Although the performance of the group of incident Ecstasy users is still within the normal range and the immediate clinical relevance of the observed deficits is limited, long-term negative consequences cannot be excluded.
This scares me, I wonder how powerful its effects are. Personally i've done hard drugs a few times in my life (meaning literally maybe like 5-7 times in my life), and today i'm still a bit paranoid that i've been "changed", ever since my strong drug experiences in college, I went through a phase and I think for better or worse i came back a different person, I just don't have the the same "mental persistence" as I used to, but that might just be because i'm a grown up now.
Still maybe i'm reading too much into it, I mean pretty much everyone has done E/MDMA at some point in their lives, would it be safe to assume the damage will heal itself? pretty scary that something can damage cognition in one dose
Edited by Major Legend, 17 August 2012 - 06:11 PM.
NeuroticNeurons 19 Aug 2012
The simple way to put it for me is this. You are exactly the person you want to be while on MDMA, exerything in perfect. Then you feel slightly depressed about going back to normal the next day, but at least you know it is possible to be exactly who you want to be.
Edited by NeuroticNeurons, 19 August 2012 - 09:36 PM.
gman7104 20 Aug 2012
Adamzski 20 Aug 2012
And yeah everyone should experiance a bout or two of E
gman7104 21 Aug 2012
Where on earth would I get MDMA? at home in AU I could get Ecstacy very easy but I would have no idea where to get MDMA.
And yeah everyone should experiance a bout or two of E
ask your friends, its always around somewhere. Just make sure you buy from someone you trust, E pills can be a risky game if you don't know what your getting. I always suggest that people buy testkits so you know for sure whats in your pill.
jonnyD 21 Aug 2012
Google "the amazon.com of illegal drugs".
Sounds a bit complicated at first but it is easy and (more or less) safe.
Adamzski 21 Aug 2012
You can also order hitmen, its the way of the future haha
Adamzski 21 Aug 2012
Searching for these, I found this
http://healthland.ti...y-fight-cancer/
Wow great if I ever get cancer I really like the idea of having mega doses of extacy rather than chemo
Edited by Adamzski, 21 August 2012 - 04:59 PM.
jonnyD 21 Aug 2012
There are also some legal analogues of MDMA, has anyone tried these? or have a source?
Searching for these, I found this
http://healthland.ti...y-fight-cancer/
Wow great if I ever get cancer I really like the idea of having mega doses of extacy rather than chemo
The only mdma replacement that i would recommend for anybody is methylone (bk-mdma). It is kind of mdma light.
Most of the other stuff is dangerous in my opinion.
Adamzski 21 Aug 2012
Steve_86 29 Aug 2012
There are also some legal analogues of MDMA, has anyone tried these? or have a source?
Searching for these, I found this
http://healthland.ti...y-fight-cancer/
Wow great if I ever get cancer I really like the idea of having mega doses of extacy rather than chemo
That depends where you live. MDMA analogues like bk-MDMA are highly illegal in Australia. I would hate for someone to mistakenly order some and get in legal trouble or have their house raided like a friend of mine did.
Steve_86 29 Aug 2012
Where on earth would I get MDMA? at home in AU I could get Ecstacy very easy but I would have no idea where to get MDMA.
And yeah everyone should experiance a bout or two of E
I live in Perth and I've had MDMA crystals a number of times so I'm sure there is a lot more of it over east. It's tricky to get but its definitely out there. Just make sure you test its fake 3/4 of the time.
Edited by Steve_86, 29 August 2012 - 11:21 AM.
Steve_86 29 Aug 2012
Mushrooms are also great for migraines.
Beth 31 Aug 2012
Male Wistar rats were treated with 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine (MDMA, 'Ecstasy') using either a high dose (4 x 5 mg/kg over 4 h) or low dose (1 x 5 mg/kg over 4 h) regimen on each of 2 consecutive days. After 10 weeks, rats were tested in the social interaction and emergence tests of anxiety. Rats previously given either of the MDMA dose regimens were significantly more anxious on both tests. After behavioral testing, and 3 months after the MDMA treatment, the rats were killed and their brains examined. Rats given the high-, but not the low-, dose MDMA treatment regimen exhibited significant loss of 5-hydroxytryptamine (5-HT) and 5-HIAA in the amygdala, hippocampus, striatum, and cortex. Quantitative autoradiography showed loss of SERT binding in cortical, hippocampal, thalamic, and hypothalamic sites with the high-dose MDMA regime, while low-dose MDMA only produced significant loss in the medial hypothalamus. Neither high- nor low-dose MDMA affected 5HT1A receptor density. High-dose MDMA increased 5HT1B receptor density in the nucleus accumbens and lateral septum but decreased binding in the globus pallidus, insular cortex and medial thalamus. Low-dose MDMA decreased 5HT 1B receptor density in the hippocampus, globus pallidus, and medial thalamus. High-dose MDMA caused dramatic decreases in cortical, striatal, thalamic, and hypothalamic 5HT2A/2C receptor density, while low-dose MDMA tended to produce similar effects but only significantly in the piriform cortex. These data suggest that even brief, relatively low-dose MDMA exposure can produce significant, long-term changes in 5-HT receptor and transporter function and associated emotional behavior. Interestingly, long-term 5-HT depletion may not be necessary to produce lasting effects on anxiety-like behavior after low-dose MDMA.
jonnyD 31 Aug 2012
Im not so sure MDMA is good way to cure anxiety. I'm sure you'll be anxiety free whilst rolling, but mandy's effects are short lived.
The behavior change and the anxiety free feeling while beeing on MDMA can definatly have long lasting therapeutic effects.
On the other hand repetitive MDMA use will increase anxiety/social phobia.
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Heraclitean 02 Sep 2012
I've never taken it myself: the idea of loving everybody and becoming overwhelmed with bliss sounds sentimental and uninteresting, but intuitively the thought that MDMA can cure anything strikes me as about as unlikely that cocaine can cure neurasthenia, or that heroin can cure neurosis.
I am open to be proven wrong, as always.