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#1 advancedatheist

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Posted 23 August 2007 - 01:24 AM


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#2 Live Forever

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Posted 23 August 2007 - 01:26 AM

Almost 30 years ago, wow.

#3 MichaelAnissimov

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Posted 23 August 2007 - 01:33 AM

Are they "dead" or suspended?

#4 advancedatheist

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Posted 23 August 2007 - 01:44 AM

Are they "dead" or suspended?


The ones I know for sure who have died: Paul Segall, Roy Walford, Jerry Leaf, Robert Prehoda, Timothy Leary, F.M. Esfandiary, Alan Harrington and Robert Anton Wilson, only three of whom (Segall, Leaf and Esfandiary) got cryosuspended.

You also have to wonder what happened to the alleged progress in "life extension sciences" these disco-era Aubrey de Greys (many with scientific Ph.D.'s) felt the need to report at a conference hosted by an organization still on the fringes of medical and scientific respectability.

#5 Bruce Klein

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Posted 23 August 2007 - 02:29 AM

Very interesting...

#6 mitkat

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Posted 23 August 2007 - 02:35 AM

Are they "dead" or suspended?

You also have to wonder what happened to the alleged progress in "life extension sciences" these disco-era Aubrey de Greys (many with scientific Ph.D.'s) felt the need to report at a conference hosted by an organization still on the fringes of medical and scientific respectability.


That looks like one hell of a party, I have to say. What a great find.

#7 bgwowk

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Posted 23 August 2007 - 04:36 AM

When did Robert Prehoda die? In this post

http://www.imminst.o...=0

I said he might be the only person mentioned in the post that was still alive. I guess not.

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Posted 23 August 2007 - 03:19 PM

When did Robert Prehoda die?  In this post

http://www.imminst.o...=0

I said he might be the only person mentioned in the post that was still alive.  I guess not.


I misspoke. I'll put Prehoda in the "Status Unknown" box for now.

Add Bernard Strehler to the dead list.

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Posted 23 August 2007 - 05:52 PM

Howcome Alcor people don't get suspended.. that's interesting.
Btw, advancedatheist, nice number of posts (1111).

#10 advancedatheist

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Posted 23 August 2007 - 06:10 PM

Howcome Alcor people don't get suspended.. that's interesting.


Jerry Leaf and F.M. Esfandiary/FM-2030 (pdf) both got cryosuspended by Alcor, unfortunately after they died suddenly and with prolonged periods of warm ischemia.

At the time of Paul Segall's death in 2003, the rumor went around that Trans Time, a nearly moribund cryonics organization in the San Francisco Bay area, cryopreserved him.

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Posted 23 August 2007 - 07:37 PM

Sorry I don't get it, are they suspended or dead?

#12 advancedatheist

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Posted 23 August 2007 - 08:37 PM

Sorry I don't get it, are they suspended or dead?


Cryonicists argue that "death" forms some kind of fuzzy continuum for cryonauts, depending partly on the conditions of how they deanimated. One of my friends in suspension died in his apartment and went unnoticed for several days, and I fear he has truly died {"beyond recall") even if Alcor did freeze the decomposing slime inside his skull.

The cryonauts who get the best possible suspensions starting with a remote standby crew that goes into action immediately after pronouncement of legal death? From an information-theoretic perspective, they probably fall somewhere a lot closer to the survivability end of the spectrum. Though in our current state of ignorance the differences between "good" and "bad" suspensions might not make cryonauts more recoverable any way.




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