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Posted 17 December 2007 - 01:14 AM


Does anyone know what the best natural muscle relaxant for chronic pain that does not have negative effects over long term use on the brain...

benzos work great for the pain but i don't like taking those drugs on a long term basis..

Magnesium is one looking for more to combat this pain..

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Posted 17 December 2007 - 01:16 AM

Does anyone know what the best natural muscle relaxant for chronic pain that does not have negative effects over long term use on the brain...

benzos work great for the pain but i don't like taking those drugs on a long term basis..

Magnesium is one looking for more to combat this pain..


Gabapentin.

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Posted 17 December 2007 - 01:28 AM

Take just magnesium and get into a hot epson salt bath.

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Posted 19 December 2007 - 02:39 AM

i'm waiting for a high dose mangesium to get here from iherb...problem i have mainly is over-active nervous system from a dislocated jaw..trying to recapture it but still no cigar..
how does one just quash the overactivity of the nervous system when the TMJ is dislocated i'm hoping high dose magnesium works...I can't find a form of magnesium that doesn't have stereates in it..i ordered a mixed mostly chelated form from NOW at 400mg a pill im praying it works..I'll probably take 4-5 or more till it soothes my system...I found the only good supplments have nothing but pure form and no other ingrediants but where is there is pure form magnesium pill.. as soon as my jaw snaps in the overactivity declines but it lasts for only a couple seconds then my whole body goes into fight or flight...

epsam salt baths sounds good too...

Maybe taurine is good too as i ordered that in pure form as well as d-ribose...

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Posted 19 December 2007 - 03:25 AM

i'm waiting for a high dose mangesium to get here from iherb...problem i have mainly is over-active nervous system from a dislocated jaw..trying to recapture it but still no cigar..
how does one just quash the overactivity of the nervous system when the TMJ is dislocated i'm hoping high dose magnesium works...I can't find a form of magnesium that doesn't have stereates in it..i ordered a mixed mostly chelated form from NOW at 400mg a pill im praying it works..I'll probably take 4-5 or more till it soothes my system...I found the only good supplments have nothing but pure form and no other ingrediants but where is there is pure form magnesium pill.. as soon as my jaw snaps in the overactivity declines but it lasts for only a couple seconds then my whole body goes into fight or flight...

epsam salt baths sounds good too...

Maybe taurine is good too as i ordered that in pure form as well as d-ribose...

Is this a chronic condition? From the description it sounds like not. Have you seen a dentist or oral surgeon or even a GP about it? What are the diagnoses?

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Posted 19 December 2007 - 04:17 AM

i'm waiting for a high dose mangesium to get here from iherb...problem i have mainly is over-active nervous system from a dislocated jaw..trying to recapture it but still no cigar..
how does one just quash the overactivity of the nervous system when the TMJ is dislocated i'm hoping high dose magnesium works...I can't find a form of magnesium that doesn't have stereates in it..i ordered a mixed mostly chelated form from NOW at 400mg a pill im praying it works..I'll probably take 4-5 or more till it soothes my system...I found the only good supplments have nothing but pure form and no other ingrediants but where is there is pure form magnesium pill.. as soon as my jaw snaps in the overactivity declines but it lasts for only a couple seconds then my whole body goes into fight or flight...

epsam salt baths sounds good too...

Maybe taurine is good too as i ordered that in pure form as well as d-ribose...

Is this a chronic condition? From the description it sounds like not. Have you seen a dentist or oral surgeon or even a GP about it? What are the diagnoses?



yeah its a chronic condition...I ended up taking a lot of drugs over the past 3.5 years b/c i didn't know where the chronic pain was from till last year...I saw an oral surgeon shows degenerated right tmj without recapture but i can now recapture it but it doesn't stay..The night splint doesn't work too well for me either b/c it doesn't fix the dislocation...I dislocated my jaw at 17 accidentally from a force to the face and it stayed dislocated for about 5 or 6 years till i snapped it back out last year...Now i have a lot of work to do to regenerate the joint but the inflammation pain is gone since taking msm and glucosimine but the neuromusucular pain is all throughout my body causing IBS and breathing problems all b/c of one freakin joint that contains nerves blood vessels, etc...i never had anxiety problems until my joint was dislocated and its not really anxiety pursae its like an unconfortable force like my body is in fight or flight for no reason from the nerves in the jaw being compressed and my stomach muscles are tight b/c my jaw muscles are tight..I tried meditation and exercise but they only work for a few minutes short term....i feel normal all over when i take an ativan for several hours but i can't keep taking drugs...I'm thinking about taking phenibut a nootropic but i read that is probably just as bad as ativan so whats the point...i never tried high dose magnesium yet but low dose helps a little...i just wish there was a muscle relaxant is more potent and doesn't damage the brain...I took so many drugs already and it destroyed my youthful hormone levels to somone of an old age and that is the main reason i want to stop taking ativan but the pain is so much 24/7 i need something to smooth my muslces to a large extent but it can't be a drug...

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Posted 19 December 2007 - 04:38 AM

i'm waiting for a high dose mangesium to get here from iherb...problem i have mainly is over-active nervous system from a dislocated jaw..trying to recapture it but still no cigar..
how does one just quash the overactivity of the nervous system when the TMJ is dislocated i'm hoping high dose magnesium works...I can't find a form of magnesium that doesn't have stereates in it..i ordered a mixed mostly chelated form from NOW at 400mg a pill im praying it works..I'll probably take 4-5 or more till it soothes my system...I found the only good supplments have nothing but pure form and no other ingrediants but where is there is pure form magnesium pill.. as soon as my jaw snaps in the overactivity declines but it lasts for only a couple seconds then my whole body goes into fight or flight...

epsam salt baths sounds good too...

Maybe taurine is good too as i ordered that in pure form as well as d-ribose...

Is this a chronic condition? From the description it sounds like not. Have you seen a dentist or oral surgeon or even a GP about it? What are the diagnoses?



yeah its a chronic condition...I ended up taking a lot of drugs over the past 3.5 years b/c i didn't know where the chronic pain was from till last year...I saw an oral surgeon shows degenerated right tmj without recapture but i can now recapture it but it doesn't stay..The night splint doesn't work too well for me either b/c it doesn't fix the dislocation...I dislocated my jaw at 17 accidentally from a force to the face and it stayed dislocated for about 5 or 6 years till i snapped it back out last year...Now i have a lot of work to do to regenerate the joint but the inflammation pain is gone since taking msm and glucosimine but the neuromusucular pain is all throughout my body causing IBS and breathing problems all b/c of one freakin joint that contains nerves blood vessels, etc...i never had anxiety problems until my joint was dislocated and its not really anxiety pursae its like an unconfortable force like my body is in fight or flight for no reason from the nerves in the jaw being compressed and my stomach muscles are tight b/c my jaw muscles are tight..I tried meditation and exercise but they only work for a few minutes short term....i feel normal all over when i take an ativan for several hours but i can't keep taking drugs...I'm thinking about taking phenibut a nootropic but i read that is probably just as bad as ativan so whats the point...i never tried high dose magnesium yet but low dose helps a little...i just wish there was a muscle relaxant is more potent and doesn't damage the brain...I took so many drugs already and it destroyed my youthful hormone levels to somone of an old age and that is the main reason i want to stop taking ativan but the pain is so much 24/7 i need something to smooth my muslces to a large extent but it can't be a drug...


sorry to sidetrack here, but does an overactive nervous system have any positive benefits in terms of cognition? maybe dislocated jaw's will be the next big brain booster! but in all seriousness, i too have TMJ. i believe its connected with my poor neck posture which in turns nudges my jaw bones. this has been documented in many cases. do you have that? have you tried opening your mouth wide and tilting your neck gently to one or the other side? its possible it could create a lucky crack that could help. it could also make it worse, probably. what do NSAIDs do for you? have you considered medical marijuana? becase that would A. relieve pain and relax your muscles, B. supress your nervous system and C. reduce your anxiety which would then help relieve tension in your jaw. you'd also get to be high pretty often. just an idea. its natural and most new scientific evidence points twords it not being very harmful at all, and in some ways beneficial. alcohol also surpresses the nervous system, you could have a few drinks before sleep and itd help you relax. in mild to moderate usage it benefits cognition and will extend your lifespan. do you sleep on your back? sleeping on your tummy can aggrivate TMJ symptoms as well. you should probably see a neurologist. possibly a rhumatologist. i appoligize for any poor english as i am from sudan and only learned english very recently. good luck.

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Posted 19 December 2007 - 06:42 AM

Now i have a lot of work to do to regenerate the joint


How does one go about doing this? I've read about red lasers/LEDs.

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Posted 19 December 2007 - 06:49 AM

Not to be crude but quite honestly a blowjob works wonders to relax your muscles and the mind.

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Posted 19 December 2007 - 07:12 AM

Not to be crude but quite honestly a blowjob works wonders to relax your muscles and the mind.

That dislocated jaw might cause some problems there, don't you think? ;)

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Posted 19 December 2007 - 07:59 AM

sorry to sidetrack here, but does an overactive nervous system have any positive benefits in terms of cognition? maybe dislocated jaw's will be the next big brain booster! but in all seriousness, i too have TMJ. i believe its connected with my poor neck posture which in turns nudges my jaw bones. this has been documented in many cases. do you have that? have you tried opening your mouth wide and tilting your neck gently to one or the other side? its possible it could create a lucky crack that could help. it could also make it worse, probably. what do NSAIDs do for you? have you considered medical marijuana? becase that would A. relieve pain and relax your muscles, B. supress your nervous system and C. reduce your anxiety which would then help relieve tension in your jaw. you'd also get to be high pretty often. just an idea. its natural and most new scientific evidence points twords it not being very harmful at all, and in some ways beneficial. alcohol also surpresses the nervous system, you could have a few drinks before sleep and itd help you relax. in mild to moderate usage it benefits cognition and will extend your lifespan. do you sleep on your back? sleeping on your tummy can aggrivate TMJ symptoms as well. you should probably see a neurologist. possibly a rhumatologist. i appoligize for any poor english as i am from sudan and only learned english very recently. good luck.



i have problems sleeping on my back i should definitely do that more...Weed would probably work but its hard to get legally and i don't feel like doing anything illegal...Also long term use of any drug is bad that is why i want to stop taking ativan...I do get lucky cracks a lot i feel the whole jaw being recaptured if i play with it long enough problem is it never does stay and is never quite perfect...What would a neurologist do for me? I already took ssris for 3 years for no reason and even an anti-psychotic risperdal b/c no one believed the pain and i believe that drug ruined my hormones.....so on top of this physical pain my sex drive was destroyed as well from all the drugs i took or maybe both the physical pain and drugs both did it..I feel like my hormone levels will never be proper again if i don't fix the excessive pain and over-activity of my nervous system from that damn joint that creates so much havoc on the whole body..i also feel like i am dying b/c this pain is 24/7 and i don't want to live the rest of my life in chronic pain.

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Posted 19 December 2007 - 08:10 AM

quinine, found in tonic water. be careful now.

magnesium citrate is available cheaply from NOW.

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Posted 19 December 2007 - 09:08 AM

sorry to sidetrack here, but does an overactive nervous system have any positive benefits in terms of cognition? maybe dislocated jaw's will be the next big brain booster! but in all seriousness, i too have TMJ. i believe its connected with my poor neck posture which in turns nudges my jaw bones. this has been documented in many cases. do you have that? have you tried opening your mouth wide and tilting your neck gently to one or the other side? its possible it could create a lucky crack that could help. it could also make it worse, probably. what do NSAIDs do for you? have you considered medical marijuana? becase that would A. relieve pain and relax your muscles, B. supress your nervous system and C. reduce your anxiety which would then help relieve tension in your jaw. you'd also get to be high pretty often. just an idea. its natural and most new scientific evidence points twords it not being very harmful at all, and in some ways beneficial. alcohol also surpresses the nervous system, you could have a few drinks before sleep and itd help you relax. in mild to moderate usage it benefits cognition and will extend your lifespan. do you sleep on your back? sleeping on your tummy can aggrivate TMJ symptoms as well. you should probably see a neurologist. possibly a rhumatologist. i appoligize for any poor english as i am from sudan and only learned english very recently. good luck.



i have problems sleeping on my back i should definitely do that more...Weed would probably work but its hard to get legally and i don't feel like doing anything illegal...Also long term use of any drug is bad that is why i want to stop taking ativan...I do get lucky cracks a lot i feel the whole jaw being recaptured if i play with it long enough problem is it never does stay and is never quite perfect...What would a neurologist do for me? I already took ssris for 3 years for no reason and even an anti-psychotic risperdal b/c no one believed the pain and i believe that drug ruined my hormones.....so on top of this physical pain my sex drive was destroyed as well from all the drugs i took or maybe both the physical pain and drugs both did it..I feel like my hormone levels will never be proper again if i don't fix the excessive pain and over-activity of my nervous system from that damn joint that creates so much havoc on the whole body..i also feel like i am dying b/c this pain is 24/7 and i don't want to live the rest of my life in chronic pain.


i just wanted to add that if i was you, i would also make a post over at thedoctorslounge.com and see if they have anything to say about it. they've been pretty helpful and informative for me in the past. post it in a few of the specialized forums and see what an expert from each one will say. because this isn't something fit for a GP. but maybe you've already seen specialists. is there a diagnosis for this condition? its considered chronic, or its chronic because it isn't going away for you?

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Posted 19 December 2007 - 09:11 AM

Can your jaw be operated on? Have you sought second and third opinions about treatment and surgery?

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Posted 19 December 2007 - 12:37 PM

Can your jaw be operated on? Have you sought second and third opinions about treatment and surgery?


agreed... second third and FOURTH opinions would be in order here..

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Posted 19 December 2007 - 07:29 PM

it is considered chronic for some people but for some it is able to fix depending on the severity...I saw a nueromuscular dentist last week who said i have a skeletal problem and a crossbite on top of tmj and recommended some invasive surgery due to possible sleep apnea but i read surgery on the jaw is not a good thing and i feel i can almost fix this if my joint were to be recaptured...I already saw 3 surgeons...One wanted to do the invasive surgery another said wait it out see if it heals and the third is working with me on a customized splint that does nothing so far...He said arthroscopy would be a last option but that probably wouldn't fix it and tmj is chronic if there is a degenerated disc which i have due to the unknown dislocaction being for 5 years...the tmj doesn't really regenerate on its own but sometimes a psuedo scar tissue can develop and the problem can be solved in other ways which i am hoping to do...TMJ is the most complex joint in the whole body more so than the knee joint which makes this extremely extremely difficult and much is misunderstood about it b/c not much information is on how to fix it b/c invasive treatments have a high tendency of failure and creating more problems than they solve..

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Posted 19 December 2007 - 11:01 PM

it is considered chronic for some people but for some it is able to fix depending on the severity...I saw a nueromuscular dentist last week who said i have a skeletal problem and a crossbite on top of tmj and recommended some invasive surgery due to possible sleep apnea but i read surgery on the jaw is not a good thing and i feel i can almost fix this if my joint were to be recaptured...I already saw 3 surgeons...One wanted to do the invasive surgery another said wait it out see if it heals and the third is working with me on a customized splint that does nothing so far...He said arthroscopy would be a last option but that probably wouldn't fix it and tmj is chronic if there is a degenerated disc which i have due to the unknown dislocaction being for 5 years...the tmj doesn't really regenerate on its own but sometimes a psuedo scar tissue can develop and the problem can be solved in other ways which i am hoping to do...TMJ is the most complex joint in the whole body more so than the knee joint which makes this extremely extremely difficult and much is misunderstood about it b/c not much information is on how to fix it b/c invasive treatments have a high tendency of failure and creating more problems than they solve..

Well, you had two docs say to do the surgery, one wait, and one "probably wouldn't fix it". On balance, that sounds like you should do it, assuming these guys are all equally competent. I can understand that you've had it with the medical community; I read your earlier risperdal thread. One thing that I think would be helpful is to reevaluate your thinking about drugs. You had a bad experience with one drug, but that doesn't mean they are all bad. That's kind of like saying "I'm not going to take anything by mouth anymore", know what I mean? If it were me, I would try to get better information on the surgical possibilities. You should have some good imaging done, i.e. cat scan or mri, whatever the surgeons think is most helpful. Talk to more neurologists and surgeons. If Ativan is helpful, I would continue to take it until you can get something more permanent worked out. I don't think it will do any long term harm. It's potentially addictive, so you have to watch out for that. If you get the pain and neurological issues sorted out, maybe your libido would return. Good luck with it.

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Posted 20 December 2007 - 12:57 AM

Well, you had two docs say to do the surgery, one wait, and one "probably wouldn't fix it". On balance, that sounds like you should do it, assuming these guys are all equally competent. I can understand that you've had it with the medical community; I read your earlier risperdal thread. One thing that I think would be helpful is to reevaluate your thinking about drugs. You had a bad experience with one drug, but that doesn't mean they are all bad. That's kind of like saying "I'm not going to take anything by mouth anymore", know what I mean? If it were me, I would try to get better information on the surgical possibilities. You should have some good imaging done, i.e. cat scan or mri, whatever the surgeons think is most helpful. Talk to more neurologists and surgeons. If Ativan is helpful, I would continue to take it until you can get something more permanent worked out. I don't think it will do any long term harm. It's potentially addictive, so you have to watch out for that. If you get the pain and neurological issues sorted out, maybe your libido would return. Good luck with it.


Thanx niner for the advice...I still don't think i am going to do surgery anytime soon b/c i have read way more bad things about it than good
one site for example ...http://grou.ps/tmj
...Even people with good results are not a complete fix...I really hate taking ativan but it seems like the only thing that helps the muscles relax and helps the overactivity of the sympathetic nervous system...What makes this suck so much worse is i am trying to heal from taking drugs from before..The pain has progressively gotten worse and i managed to lower it a lot lately with MSM, glucosimine supplements and ativan..The inflammation went away after taking glucosimine and MSM particularly MSM but the neuromuscular pain is still pretty much intact unless i take a muscle relaxant such as ativan....I think i'll just take ativan until i get my magnesium order from iherb...Problem is my brain is so over-sensitized from drugs i fear my libido is lost forever at this point unless i stop taking all drugs even if its just ativan..Alcar with ALA is the only thing that seems to help a little with the libido but could i take that everyday if i take ativan with it also...I don't even care about taking an ativan a day if my sex drive wasn't zero...It actually helps my sex drive a little the ativan that is as well...Wondering if i can take ativan long term if i take certain supplements with it.......I also just bought a TDP mineral lamp in hoping it will help the pain and heal the joint more as well as help my overactive nervous system..

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Posted 20 December 2007 - 04:02 AM

Well, you had two docs say to do the surgery, one wait, and one "probably wouldn't fix it". On balance, that sounds like you should do it, assuming these guys are all equally competent. I can understand that you've had it with the medical community; I read your earlier risperdal thread. One thing that I think would be helpful is to reevaluate your thinking about drugs. You had a bad experience with one drug, but that doesn't mean they are all bad. That's kind of like saying "I'm not going to take anything by mouth anymore", know what I mean? If it were me, I would try to get better information on the surgical possibilities. You should have some good imaging done, i.e. cat scan or mri, whatever the surgeons think is most helpful. Talk to more neurologists and surgeons. If Ativan is helpful, I would continue to take it until you can get something more permanent worked out. I don't think it will do any long term harm. It's potentially addictive, so you have to watch out for that. If you get the pain and neurological issues sorted out, maybe your libido would return. Good luck with it.


Thanx niner for the advice...I still don't think i am going to do surgery anytime soon b/c i have read way more bad things about it than good
one site for example ...http://grou.ps/tmj
...Even people with good results are not a complete fix...I really hate taking ativan but it seems like the only thing that helps the muscles relax and helps the overactivity of the sympathetic nervous system...What makes this suck so much worse is i am trying to heal from taking drugs from before..The pain has progressively gotten worse and i managed to lower it a lot lately with MSM, glucosimine supplements and ativan..The inflammation went away after taking glucosimine and MSM particularly MSM but the neuromuscular pain is still pretty much intact unless i take a muscle relaxant such as ativan....I think i'll just take ativan until i get my magnesium order from iherb...Problem is my brain is so over-sensitized from drugs i fear my libido is lost forever at this point unless i stop taking all drugs even if its just ativan..Alcar with ALA is the only thing that seems to help a little with the libido but could i take that everyday if i take ativan with it also...I don't even care about taking an ativan a day if my sex drive wasn't zero...It actually helps my sex drive a little the ativan that is as well...Wondering if i can take ativan long term if i take certain supplements with it.......I also just bought a TDP mineral lamp in hoping it will help the pain and heal the joint more as well as help my overactive nervous system..

Even if the surgical options are not good, making sure that you had a really solid diagnosis could be very helpful. It might turn out that there were some safe interventions that were not obvious at first. I don't see any problem mixing ALCAR/ALA with Ativan. I take ALCAR/ALA every day, along with other nonprescription and prescription drugs. I'm refraining from using the word "supplements" here, instead choosing to call them nonprescription drugs, since that's what they are; drugs. Remember, not all drugs are bad. I think it's interesting that both the ALCAR and Ativan help your sex drive. That's actually a very good sign, as it points to ways to obtain further improvements. This whole situation must be very anxiety producing, and your physical conditioning is probably not where you'd like it to be either. The ALCAR somewhat compensates for poor conditioning in my experience, and is probably giving you an energy boost. Of course the ativan is anxiolytic. If you can develop what feels like a path to recovery, that will probably help the anxiety, and getting the pain a little bit under control would probably help in terms of your ability to engage in a good exercise program. Have you ever been to a pain clinic? That might be the kind of place where you would find the sorts of expertise you need under one roof. You are in control of whatever drugs might be used, should you use such a facility. You should talk very frankly with them regarding the whole libido problem and your suspicion that the risperdal was the cause, and make sure that they know that first of all you don't want to make it worse, and second that you want to make it better. You're free to ignore any advice you get from a medical professional. A couple things you might consider on the nonprescription drug side are fish oil and lecithin if you aren't already doing that. Again, best of luck with it. I hope that you find someone in the medical world who can be an aggressive advocate for you.

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Posted 20 December 2007 - 07:16 AM

Even if the surgical options are not good, making sure that you had a really solid diagnosis could be very helpful. It might turn out that there were some safe interventions that were not obvious at first. I don't see any problem mixing ALCAR/ALA with Ativan. I take ALCAR/ALA every day, along with other nonprescription and prescription drugs. I'm refraining from using the word "supplements" here, instead choosing to call them nonprescription drugs, since that's what they are; drugs. Remember, not all drugs are bad. I think it's interesting that both the ALCAR and Ativan help your sex drive. That's actually a very good sign, as it points to ways to obtain further improvements. This whole situation must be very anxiety producing, and your physical conditioning is probably not where you'd like it to be either. The ALCAR somewhat compensates for poor conditioning in my experience, and is probably giving you an energy boost. Of course the ativan is anxiolytic. If you can develop what feels like a path to recovery, that will probably help the anxiety, and getting the pain a little bit under control would probably help in terms of your ability to engage in a good exercise program. Have you ever been to a pain clinic? That might be the kind of place where you would find the sorts of expertise you need under one roof. You are in control of whatever drugs might be used, should you use such a facility. You should talk very frankly with them regarding the whole libido problem and your suspicion that the risperdal was the cause, and make sure that they know that first of all you don't want to make it worse, and second that you want to make it better. You're free to ignore any advice you get from a medical professional. A couple things you might consider on the nonprescription drug side are fish oil and lecithin if you aren't already doing that. Again, best of luck with it. I hope that you find someone in the medical world who can be an aggressive advocate for you.


Yeah i think ALCAR/ALA is something i will be taking for a while to come as long as it keeps working...that as well as some other things i ordered.......I just hope the ALCAR doesn't over-sensitize...My libido is very very low still almost zero compared to before drugs but ALCAR definitely helps it i can tell and pretty sure ALA kills lactic acid fast. I'll try to cycle it a little too unless you or someone else knows whether ALCAR doesn't oversensitize dopamine???..the jarrow brand of is really powerful stuff...I have tried many many supplements and found the only ones to be effective are pure powder forms with no additives and b/c of my experience with ALCAR all my supplements are now mostly powdered with no stereates or other ingredients...I feel i can only exercise if i take ativan otherwise the pain is too great but its probably not a bad idea to live super healthy and use that pill as a crutch for the muscles till the pain falls back...ALCAR helps with my depression very fast its like the greatest thing i ever took basically for depression which i never acquired until all this bad stuff happened to me...I tried deprynl and that was terrible for me as far as libido getting worse so im hoping alcar fixes dopamine deprynl seems to over-stimulate it too much i guess.. i have to admit i am definitely still depressed from my ordeal but at the same time hopeful to get much better in the very near future..Even ativan helps sometimes with depression and the overactive nervous system of course but i don't want to kill all my gaba by being a chronic user unless i can restore gaba all the time somehow...I do listen to tons of music so hopefully that will help me keep enough gaba intact for sometime. As far as my physical conditioning i am too skinny right now...I lost about 20 pounds within the past year from an organic diet then the pain made it too hard to eat lately so i am about 145 lbs and 5'10 but i am working my way through and learning more and more from people like yourself and how to work with the situation at hand...I would love to run everday without pain but that is not on my cards yet..i run through pain sometimes....I just ordered some more carlson cod liver oil from iherb so im good to go with fish oil which i have been taking for sometime as well as flaxseed oil...I also have lecithin flakes from country life i take every so often with cereal. I also take lots of green tea and just discovered the benefits of other teas as well...I want to get more green powders and mix it with chlorella as that is something i could use more of...Other things like berrygreen from newchapter is another superior supplement that has been giving me temporary good feeling in the stomach area which i have problems with as well....hopefully my life doesn't have to suck so much too much longer once i get all the pieces together and fixing the chronic pain is huge for me...Thanx again niner ;-)

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..i ordered a mixed mostly chelated form from NOW at 400mg a pill im praying it works..I'll probably take 4-5 or more till it soothes my system...


Have a toilet close at hand...

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Posted 29 June 2008 - 11:22 AM

Have you tried Soma(carisoprodol) ?

#23 ikaros

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Posted 29 June 2008 - 12:57 PM

Does anyone know what the best natural muscle relaxant for chronic pain that does not have negative effects over long term use on the brain...

benzos work great for the pain but i don't like taking those drugs on a long term basis..

Magnesium is one looking for more to combat this pain..


Had the same problem. Benzos worked great, but in the long- run they made my condition worse. Magnesium etc also didn't do anything. Then I was recommended to try topical MSM (methyl sulfonyl methane) cream in combination with camphor and menthol for areas which were prone to muscle cramps and pain. It worked wonders for me, especially considering the fact that I had almost tried everything to no avail. Although for some reason it's very difficult to find creams containing methyl sulfonyl methane, but the fact is that it works.

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Posted 01 August 2008 - 11:14 AM

Does anyone know what the best natural muscle relaxant for chronic pain that does not have negative effects over long term use on the brain...

benzos work great for the pain but i don't like taking those drugs on a long term basis..

Magnesium is one looking for more to combat this pain..


Had the same problem. Benzos worked great, but in the long- run they made my condition worse. Magnesium etc also didn't do anything. Then I was recommended to try topical MSM (methyl sulfonyl methane) cream in combination with camphor and menthol for areas which were prone to muscle cramps and pain. It worked wonders for me, especially considering the fact that I had almost tried everything to no avail. Although for some reason it's very difficult to find creams containing methyl sulfonyl methane, but the fact is that it works.


hi, had you try soma, its a good n quiet known for its acute muscle relaxation properties it provide comfort by giving relief from sudden painful strains & sprains. One of my friend is using it n now he is happy with soma. He find it easily on buyultram.com here he also seen many articles on different drugs like on ultram which is also useful in pain releiveing.

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Posted 01 August 2008 - 01:31 PM

Most of the stuff is too weak for real chronic muscle pain.

Topical heat rub. Bengay, or even better, a heat rub that works with a capsaicin derivative.

Capsaicin based stuff with also desensitize the area for pain when used long-term, which
may be desirable because chronic pain can be a feedback loop...

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Posted 01 August 2008 - 04:48 PM

I'm shocked no one has mentioned Valerian root.

This stuff will knock you on your ass too. I take it on rough strength training days then jump in the hot tub. Works great.

http://en.wikipedia....Valerian_(herb)


And I highly recommend staying away from Soma, very toxic stuff & definitely NOT natural. But it definitely does the job.

Ultram is a wonder drug, but a couple years ago I fought against a nasty addiction to the stuff. It acts as a pain killer, anti anxiety & anti depression all in one pill. (Probably why it's so addictive) I felt like superman on this stuff. Which sounds great, but after 4 weeks of using the recommended dosage, I was hooked, then spent the next 9 months trying to quit. Truly one of the more miserable times in my life.

Doctors love to perscribe this crap, and claim it's non addictive. But do a bit of search on Ultra/Tramadol on the net and read the horror stories about this drug.

Edited by jCole, 01 August 2008 - 04:56 PM.


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Posted 09 August 2008 - 05:37 AM

I could never keep Ultram down and on the rare occassion that I did it put me in a coma. Soma OTOH was great but tolerance built fairly quickly and moderate alcohol consumption was necessary to potentiate the effects. Wouldn't recommend either unless it's for a short duration. I'vce tried various OTC remedies since but nothing comes even remotely close to these controlled substances.

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Posted 12 August 2008 - 03:48 PM

Magnesium is my fav.




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