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Modalert v Provigil v Adrafinil v Adderall


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#1 Masta Shake

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Posted 18 February 2008 - 04:01 AM


I'm a college student and since coming to college I have noticed an extreme decrease in motivation, focus, and alertness when it came to doing schoolwork as compared to high school. I have just recently learned about modafinil and adrafinil and they seem to be the perfect thing to help motivate me with studying and focus but with all the junk on the internet it's tough to educate yourself on topics like this. My questions basically are the following:

For my desired usage, would the seemingly less effective (and less expensive) adrafinil be suitable or should I invest a little bit more in a modafinil-based drug like modalert or provigil?

When it comes to modafinil I have heard mixed things about modalert and glowing remarks about provigil. Should I invest in the much more costly provigil and get guaranteed results or take a chance of getting modalert and not having it work?

Would these drugs be close to or as effective as adderall? I'm looking for a cheaper, easier way to acquire a drug that produces the focus and alertness adderall gives you.

If I were to invest in a modafinil drug, should I get 100mg or 200 mg tablets to start? Likewise, if I were to buy an adrafinil drug should I get 300mg or 600mg? To me it seems the 200/600mg capsules would make the most sense due to the fact that I could cut the dose in half if needed but I'm unsure as to the efficiency of these when first introduced into the body and if the larger pills would have an adverse effect.

I have read that one of the main differences between modalert and provigil is the absorption rate. Provigil is reputed to absorb faster, thus giving a stronger effect yet grinding up modalert and taking off it's time release coating could help increase potencty. Is there any validity to this?

Also what are the pros and cons of buying capsules over powder? And where can I buy powder online?


I have searched through this forum and have found answers to most of these questions, but they pertained to curing narcolepsy, not really using them as a study aid. I also know the legality behind buying modafinil-based products online and the risk involved in buying from international pahrmacies. I'm just looking for answers pertaining purely to effectiveness as a study aid and focusing agent. Thank you in advance for the help.

Edited by Masta Shake, 18 February 2008 - 04:11 AM.


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Posted 18 February 2008 - 04:16 AM

Personally I have used every vigilance ehancing substance you can think of including those you mentioned and I believe that modafinil is by far the best with the least amount of side effects, least risk of dependence, "cleanest" etc.

The following is for the US as I have no clue about what options are available in other countries:

That being said, if you can get a prescription for Provigil from a doctor (off label use for ADD) and have insurance this would be the best way to go about things then you could pick up guaranteed quality from your local Walmart Pharmacy or what have you.

If you can't get a prescription then you have to know that importing it not exactly legal, though if kept in a quantity for personal use I don't think you run that big of a risk of being prosecuted for actually importing it. Though if you were stopped by a cop and have a tablet in your pocket you could technically be put in jail and prosecuted for possession. If you are willing to run these risks then...

I have found the quality of modalert from suppliers that are listed in the nootropic suppliers threads (just do a little searching) to be just fine and identical to Provigil, so I wouldnt spend the extra money to get brand name. I have actually taken brand name Provigil and compared it to Modalert from two different suppliers and again the effects are identical down to the way it makes your pee smell (odd). I think some of those that have mentioned mixed results haven't actually compared the generic to the brand name.

moderators -> this obviously belongs in the nootropics section

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#3 Masta Shake

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Posted 18 February 2008 - 07:20 PM

Thank you for the help. I will search the threads in the nootropics section for more suppliers, yet during my previous search I noticed that there were a lot of good reviews of airsealed.com. I checked it out and am seriously considering buying 20g of powder, then just buying empty gelatin capsules online and filling them up myself. In total it would be about 120 bucks whereas for 100 200mg tablets (the same as 20g) it would be nearly 40 bucks more. What are the differences between buying the odafinil powder and getting Modalert? I'm assuming the powder would be more potent, much more like Provigil but this is just an assumption? Can anyone clear this up for me? Thank you

And I apologize for posting in the wrong forum. I have no idea what nootropics are so I figured I'd just play it safe and post in the parent forum.

Edited by Masta Shake, 18 February 2008 - 07:20 PM.


#4 edward

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Posted 18 February 2008 - 07:41 PM

Thank you for the help. I will search the threads in the nootropics section for more suppliers, yet during my previous search I noticed that there were a lot of good reviews of airsealed.com. I checked it out and am seriously considering buying 20g of powder, then just buying empty gelatin capsules online and filling them up myself. In total it would be about 120 bucks whereas for 100 200mg tablets (the same as 20g) it would be nearly 40 bucks more. What are the differences between buying the odafinil powder and getting Modalert? I'm assuming the powder would be more potent, much more like Provigil but this is just an assumption? Can anyone clear this up for me? Thank you

And I apologize for posting in the wrong forum. I have no idea what nootropics are so I figured I'd just play it safe and post in the parent forum.


Personally I only take 50 mg of modafinil in the morning and sometimes another 50 mg at lunch (sometimes not). I have found that low doses are the key at least for me. The studies show this as well. Basically with young healthy intelligent subjects large dosages actually had a negative effect (this is often the case with many nootropics).

So that being said I buy the tablets because it is easier to break the 200 mg scored tablet in half then cut with a razor blade to fourths rather than to try to cap 50 mg capsules and have them be consistent as filler would be involved. Normally I do the bulk powder thing, but in cases like this where the amount I am taking is so small and the effects of taking too much are so profound I err on the side of making my life easier and getting premade tablets or caps rather than measuring things out on my own... now if it was more expensive I might feel differently but in this case its not worth it to me.

#5 Masta Shake

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Posted 18 February 2008 - 08:19 PM

Alright thank you for the help. Your input has been invaluable. I definitely have all the info I need to make my final purchasing decision thanks to you.

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Posted 19 February 2008 - 05:02 AM

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Edited by Rags847, 19 February 2008 - 05:19 AM.


#7 Rags847

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Posted 19 February 2008 - 05:09 AM

Personally I only take 50 mg of modafinil in the morning and sometimes another 50 mg at lunch (sometimes not). I have found that low doses are the key at least for me. The studies show this as well. Basically with young healthy intelligent subjects large dosages actually had a negative effect (this is often the case with many nootropics).


Couldn't agree more on low doses of Modafinil, Edward.
I took a 100mg tablet of Modaifinil and cut it into 4 pieces and took 25mg four times today, every four hours.
And had a great and productive day - with no side effects.

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Posted 19 February 2008 - 08:56 PM

You simply cannot beat the concentration that Adderall gives compared to these other medications. Amphetamines have been used for years and nothing will give you the concentration you will get in adderall. Don't buy into Provigil, it is very weak compared to Adderall.

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Posted 20 February 2008 - 06:50 AM

You simply cannot beat the concentration that Adderall gives compared to these other medications. Amphetamines have been used for years and nothing will give you the concentration you will get in adderall. Don't buy into Provigil, it is very weak compared to Adderall.


Don't buy into Modafinil? I'd say don't dismiss it out of hand.
As for it's stimulation-strength, I'd put it as somewhere in the middle - stonger than coffee, weaker than amphetamines.
It's strength is more than adequate for me (energy, motivation, concentration, ability to get a ton done) and (here is the beauty of it) with no side effects.
At low doses I experience no side effects. With large amounts of coffee I do. And many experience nasty side effects with Amphetimines. Not all do, and I'm sure many benefit greatly from them, but reports of bad side effects with Amphetamine-type drugs are common enough (anxiety, sweating, aggression, insomnia, crashing/somnulescence/"zombie" state, sexual side effects, etc).
Sometimes, less is more, and Modafinil may just enhance one's system (in a specific, gentle, smooth, yet powerful way) and not overwhelm it.
If it can do that, it indeed is the ideal stimulant.
(We all want to be stimulated to get more done and have no side effects/long-term safety issues. After all, if we were just interested in stimulant strength and didn't care about side-effects or effects of long-term use, then we'd all be taking cocaine and getting a shitload done.)
Maybe, more don't use Modafinil because of it's price - not because of it's effectiveness.
The Mighty Modafinil!

Edited by Rags847, 20 February 2008 - 07:06 AM.


#10 bigbadwooof

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Posted 28 May 2014 - 07:07 PM

I really don't think that cocaine and methamphetamine help many people get shit done. They're so potent that you hyper-focus on stupid details of things and don't get shit done, or sometimes they even make you scatter-brained and focused on one thing intensely for 5 minutes and then hop to something else, and so on. That's why people on these drugs are known to start a million projects and never finish any of them.

 

I am looking forward to trying adrafinil. It sounds like exactly what I need. Amphetamines like adderall are nice, but eventually you get burnt out from them. Coffee makes me too jittery, and I crash heavily. Hopefully I will find a great alternative in adrafinil :)

 

Still waiting for it!



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Posted 12 July 2014 - 11:29 PM

I've only tried Adrafinil andt  it is def stimulating for long periods of time. It isn't exactly clean when dosing higher around 600mgs for me at least I get minor anxiety, increased body tempature and a mild headache. The problem is I don't get a whole lot when dosing lower so I'm thinking this is just the way the drug feels for me which may not necessarily be the same for you. Some people actually prefer Adrafinil. Seeing as it converts to Modafinil in the body I can't see why there would be any noticable difference in effects but reports claim otherwise.

 

I would only dose in the early morning to start because the first time I took it I dosed late morning and it kept me up all night. I became pretty tolerant by the 4th day of taking it so I don't think its good for daily use. I've also heard reports of people not becoming tolerant so your mileage may vary.

 



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Posted 13 July 2014 - 01:56 AM

Nuvigil (armodafinil) is simply the best way to go. It's the enantiopure version of modafinil; basically taking its active half and purifying it into one substance (R-enantiomer). It comes in 50mg. ~= 100mg. of Provigil (modafinil); 150mg. ~= 300mg. of modafinil; 250mg. ~= 500mg. of modafinil. See if your insurance will cover it as it is indicated to improve wakefulness in adult who experience excessive sedation due to obstructive sleep apnea, narcolepsy, or shift work disorder. It can be prescribed "off-label" by a physician and covered under insurance as in my case. I take 250mg. Nuvigil QD with dexamphetamine preparations for ADHD-PI, and it is an essential therapeutic tool.  


Edited by Warhawk, 13 July 2014 - 01:57 AM.





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