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[vote_for_bush]

I'm sick of satan worshippers (non-Right-wing-Conservative-Christians) smearin godly Christian values and I just cain't see why anyone smart enough to want to live forever would not be comfortable sellin their soul to Jesus so he can use it as a brick in the road of the kingdom of Heaven on Earth and thereby walk all over it with his most holy feet of God any way it pleases his most glorious majesty, but since ya'll are going to defend Islam against the eternal life offered by George W. Christ, I figured I'd do some translating so you could talk to them Mohammedans after we lose the war on terror because of you. It appears since they haven't contributed to human civilization in 500 years, they stole God's Christian language and twisted it to make our words mean something else. So this is how they will say, "Thank you." = "Do you want to become muslim or do you want a bullet in the mouth?"


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"Direct my thoughts, words and work. Wash away my sins in the immaculate blood of the lamb, and purge my heart by thy Holy Spirit, from the dross of my natural corruption, that I may with more freedom of mind and liberty of will serve thee, the ever lasting God, in righteousness and holiness this day, and all the days of my life."
- George Washington 1st President of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all saved Christians that are not going to burn in Hell like liberals that don't believe in good or evil. Amen.

Edited by vote_for_bush, 17 November 2003 - 09:24 AM.

[Jace Tropic]

You should probably include more options. At least one that says, "None of the above."

Jace

[Jace Tropic]

The questions you provide suggest either:

1) We must obey a “divine” law.

or

2) We must see your point.

I would neither obey a divine law nor dignify your point. Appeals to the supernatural are predicated on weak premises that can go in different directions in their philosophical conclusions. As easily as you can impose rules on behalf of a fantasy, I can just as easily blow your head off on behalf of my deity who told me to do so.

Our perceptions are limited. The best choices we can make are those that recognize this limitation and understand the universe the way that it is, and with our own tools built from concepts based on these perceptions, without ascribing fantasy to any aspect of it.

Going beyond your means is a death wish... as you have likely seen. Good luck.

Jace

[Jace Tropic]

I don’t need to be blessed by your vacuous gOD. Thanks anyway. And, by the way, if you are going to have the audacity to stake a claim on superior knowledge, use your own diction and compose it error-free.

As I recognize my limited perceptions, I am able to determine that I do not have all the answers. This allows me to bypass credulity, something you have not done due to your venal submission of fantasy, and savor my explorations and discoveries in my life. It allows me to search for the right questions before thinking I have any right answers.

Who knows? Maybe later in my life I might have an epiphany and discover for myself the asshole responsible for your ignorance and useless motivation to “save” people who do not give a shit what you say. And as I gladly spit in hIS face without hesitation, I will continue to live my life on behalf of me.

So, it appears now that what we have here are two people fearless for different reasons.

Good luck.

[Lazarus Long]

V-4-B wrote:
Didn't I already say that would be a "Null Vote"? It's quite obvious your perceptions are limited as you have just readily admitted they are.

You are so blatantly using Seductive Reasoning that I couldn't have constructed a more obvious example of coercive and corrupt reasoning if I tried. Thank you for providing a paradigm of the problem and perhaps a hint at the vital importance of the plebiscite and participatory Democracy.

First off your assumption of what a Null Vote means is wrong; both in principle and practice. You are confusing ideas and grotesquely attempting to reduce options to absurdity. Of course the result is that your poll and its results are absurd but sadly too few people realize that unless educated to be attuned to determining the principals of rational analysis.

A Null vote is a I do not care or I don't want to participate and even an I just want to see what others think option is not a means of finding out how many prefer the option because in the first place a Null Vote is ignored, not tallied. A null vote is like sitting at home ignoring your plebiscite and watching the results of an election in a casually disinterested manner on the TV evening news.

You are doing what some in the Florida election committee did by throwing out votes before the '02 presidential election by wrongly categorizing many people likely to vote against Republicans as felons and taking away their right to vote shifting the burden of proof on to the victim.

A Null Vote is not even the same as a Protest Vote (no surprise there as you are obviously working to stifle protest) for say Nader because that data is tallied and shows that the protest worked for the Democrats lost as a sufficient percent of their base SPOKE UP and told them they are not representing them with the choices provided.

As is the case for so many ideas and statements you have made, making them does not make them true. Your manipulation of the ballot however is exemplary of the problem and how to avoid a solution.

You have created a number of blatantly spurious and specious polls designed to force in a classically parochial manner ONLY the perspectives you want people to understand and continuously demonstrate contempt for anyone that considers them self not merely willing but quite able to think well outside the box you would imprison them in.

One of many options you forgot is:
I see your point, I still disagree with it and I still object to this blatant attempt to think for me through not allowing or encouraging people to think for themselves by reducing the selection to absurdity

[thefirstimmortal]

I am a skeptic, and a skeptic does not mean him who doubts, but him who investigates or researches, as opposed to him who asserts and thinks that he has found. You see Bush, one thing is, I can live with doubt and uncertainty and not knowing. I think it's much more interesting to live not knowing than to have answers which might be wrong. If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end in doubts; but if he will be content to begin with doubts, he shall end in certainties.

2000 Years of Disbelief
Rev.William O'Rights
"Born Again Skeptic"

[thefirstimmortal]

I'm sick of satan worshippers (non-Right-wing-Conservative-Christians) smearin godly Christian values

I have read the Bible many times, (a book whose heroes cheat, lie, steal, murder and get away with it)? I am of course referring to the Book of Genesis. And you are right to read it. It is the best interactive moral teaching tool ever devised: Genesis forces readers of all ages to struggle with eternal issues of right and wrong.

[thefirstimmortal]

I read the Bible without the ill-fitting colored spectacles of theology, just as I read other books, using my own judgment and reason, listening to the voice within, not to the noisy babel without. I possess discriminating reasoning powers. Can I not use them Bush?

[thefirstimmortal]

The Bible, the Book of Genisis and other stories of justice and injustice had a powerful effect on my mind. They encouraged me to view the world in a skeptical and questioning manner. Would you not agree Bush, that if Abraham could challenge God, surely I could challenge the Bible.


2000Years of Disbelief
Rev.William O'Rights
"Born Again Skeptic"

[thefirstimmortal]

I'm sick of satan worshipers (non-Right-wing-Conservative-Christians) smearing godly Christian values

Godly Christian values Bush? The bible teaches that a father may sell his daughter for a slave [Ex. xxx, 7], that he may sacrifice her purity to a mob [Judges xix, 24; Gen. xix, 8], and that he may murder her, and still be a good father and a holy man. It teaches that a man may have any number of wives; that he may sell them, give them away, or swap them around, and still be a perfect gentleman, a good husband, a righteous man, and one of God's most intimate friends; and that is a pretty good position for a beginning. It teaches almost every infamy under the heavens for woman, and it does not recognize her as a self-directing, free human being. It classes her as property, just as it does a sheep: and it forbids her to think, talk, act, or exist, except under conditions and limits defined by some priest. All these wonderful Christian beliefs.

Now you can sit around with a few thousand of your fellow Christians, and try to explain all this away, but in questions of religion, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual.


2000Years of Disbelief
Rev.William O'Rights
"Born Again Skeptic"

[shedon666]

I'm sick of satan worshippers (non-Right-wing-Conservative-Christians)...

that was an ill-sensed inaccurate prejudice generalistic statement. a christian that hates another religious affliate is no different then that affiliate that hates christians, they are both haters. i understand your passion for your spirituality of heart, but to turn around (what starts as honest innocent defense, which is ok, but then...) and embrace a spirit of blind hatred in return does none good and spreads no different word. also, i somewhat agree with you on the 'baby killer' issue (although i think it is comical if it is coming from a meat eater) but one thing for sure is ---> you are a sexual racist hater f#@k for entertaining the thought of death deservant to what you call a 'fag'. i find it very disappointing that you are permitted to display such principles of putrid and not be scorned somehow. well, at least i had a chance to. you are the incubator of your own inevitable unavoidable personal hell...enjoy.

To answer the question: "Is Christianity all that bad?" ... No religion is good or bad. To incriminate a religion for any bad or good doings is like blaming a car for when an old lady is ran over in the street. Religions are structures of thought and placements (not possessors) of the soul. They choose not the actions of any souls. If a religion tells you 2+2=5 then it is -completely- the individuals responsibilty to agree or disagree.

[tbeal]

If you don't understand the problems withyour 'arguement' then theres no real reason to discuss it

[tbeal]

and also were are not at 'war' with islam and definetly shoudn't be. the sort of people who commit acts of terrorism are religious fundamenlists (which are defintely all not muslims) who have misguided beleifes about their 'god' hmm when was the last time I heard something from a religous fundamentalist? [lol] and I choose not to vote in this poll for 2 reasons: a the options as mentioned above are clearly bias and 2: I do not wish to fall into the trap have your clearly intended with your reverse pscology " your all gunna vote for them anyway"

[Mind]

To answer the topic question "is christianity all that bad?" I would say no. The poll question I cannot answer because there are not enough choices.