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Religion, who has it the hardest....


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Poll: Whom should piety whom? (8 member(s) have cast votes)

Believers or non-Believers

  1. Atheists should piety beleivers? (2 votes [25.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 25.00%

  2. Believers should piety Atheists? (4 votes [50.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 50.00%

  3. Its all nonsense and we should put the dolphins in charge from now on. Seriously did you see the bubble video? Thats pretty amazing, Ill include a link at the bottom of my post. (2 votes [25.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 25.00%

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#1 tous

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Posted 04 October 2008 - 06:57 AM


I do not believe in any form of religion at this point in my life. The majority of my friends/family either do not believe or are the type that never take the time to really think about it.

I often hear athiests say they piety the religious for the blinded views of life, and their addiction to the awnsers that religion provides them. I usually laugh at this when I hear it, because I think to myself, why would you piety someone who has it SO much better then you. The life of an atheist is full of indecision and doubt. We have no answers for the majority of the big questions of life, what happens after, why does it all happen, and so on. We has our conclusions, but thats not really the same. An answer is a definite in your mind, a conclusion is the most logical outcome that fits. The answers are also not as pleasant as those of most religions, so fear can be more prevalent. In addition, atheists also have a tougher time with moral decisions, as there is no guiding moral code set out in advance for us. To the faithful, any moral decision is relatively easy in my understanding "If I do this, will I get into heaven?" Yes? Awesome! No? Is there a loop hole? Yes/No, and so on. An atheist must consult more then just an book written hundreds of years ago, they have to gauge each decision against the weight of their teaching and experiences of their entire life and decide weather or not they can accept the outcome of the decision at hand.

In my opinion, and maby Im wrong about this, most atheists want to believe, they would LOVE to be proven wrong, but they can't accept religion. They're views do not allow them to accept something on faith alone and their is not enough compelling evidence to convince them otherwise.

Of the few religious people I do know well, my understanding that this piety is returned onto us, for we have left god, and will never know the kingdom(or some variant there of). We will never know true happiness in life because we do not follow the teachings, and in death we will be cast into something rather unpleasent.

So my question is, who should piety whom? Should the believers piety the non believers? or visa versa? Who has it harder?

*Seriousness off*

Dolphins seam to got shit pretty much figured out, they just need to figure out how to get us to stop putting em in tanks, and wrecking their oceans. I mean they had time to figure out how to do this Maby they should be in charge of this whole religion debate.

Edited by tous, 04 October 2008 - 07:07 AM.


#2 forever freedom

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Posted 04 October 2008 - 07:28 AM

I used to feel piety towards religious people, but after some certain events in my life and some reconsiderations about religion and religious people, i'm starting to feel really a lot of anger towards religion and any other sort of spiritual belief system, and therefore, if not to feel angry about religious people, i feel condescension to say the least. ALL religions blind us to reality and drastically decrease our ability of making realistic decisions. I've witnessed it first hand as i was religious myself, and looking back i became aware that my life could have been so much different (probably for better, but i'll never know..) if i made some certain decisions earlier in my life, but i didn't make them because i believed that God would provide me, in the time determined by Him, the answers i needed and the ways i should carry my life.


I think that the day will come when religion and other such beliefs will be abandoned by us (human race), but before that we will need to merge with machines, so that this damned inherent need for believing in a higher entity that takes care of us is abandoned by those who currently have it (which is a large part of human population).
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#3 Pulptor

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Posted 16 October 2008 - 05:09 PM

I'm an atheist and I picked "Believers should piety Atheists". As an atheist, I don't receive comfort from the idea that a god loves me and wants the best for me. That comfort would have been nice during the bad times. And death is a lot more depressing for atheists.

Edited by Pulptor, 16 October 2008 - 05:10 PM.


#4 Meraxes

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 07:43 PM

As someone who was once VERY religious (and I'm jewish so that's as hard as it gets) - I voted believers should piety atheists, why? because they are all alone and they actually have to make choices.
Yes I;m not into religion any more (and by saying that I don't mean that I don't believe in god but rather that I chose NOT to go by "his rules") - but by all means it was easier when I was really into it - It's not convenient (for example not being able to separate the fish from his bones on Sabbath - tough to explain but basically everything that is "work related" is forbidden on sabbath day), BUT you know what you have to do and whenever something bad happens it's just - that's the lord's doing, who am I to complain?
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#5 daouda

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 07:48 PM

I'm not a beleiver and never was, and I chose "believers should piety atheists". I've been through exceptional adversity ("floxing" by fluoroquinolone antibiotics) and really wish I had religious faith to fall back on. I've noticed that my fellow "floxies" with religious faith go through this horrible ordeal much more peacefully. Being all alone in the face of horrible adversity sucks. A beleiver always has god. And like Meraxes said above, they have the piece of mind of not having to worry about what is right or wrong, what is the meaning of life, etc...
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