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Should we have a mandatory 1 child policy?


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Should we have a one child policy?

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    Percentage of vote: 77.08%

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#31 niner

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Posted 30 November 2008 - 05:48 AM

we need to stop overprocreation and the sick cultural prejudices of RACISM and effectively CULTURAL EUGENICS

If we really put a stop to procreation by parents who can't afford to raise their children decently, that would be de facto genocide in a number of poor nations. Since the outcome would be a lot fewer people of color, I'm sure that claims of racism and perhaps cultural eugenics would be raised.

I never knew that you had 3 adopted children, or any children for that matter. Was your decision to adopt instead of procreate an ethical preference, or were you not able to create children in the usual way?

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Posted 30 November 2008 - 06:04 AM

Charge people more in taxes for every child, not less. If everybody has to pay the actual cost of their children's burden on society, that will take care of the problem. (I believe this would be the libertarian solution.)


I like that idea, however we can't punish parents for the random genetic defects that occur if they do go through screening

and we can't screen for everything yet


There are no guarantees in life, right? You roll the dice, you take your chance. If you're not willing to pay for your own child's needs, why should the rest of us? It's not punishment. Life is is not always fair.

will inability to pay stop people from having kids? certainly a deterrent but they already do it now when they can't afford it


No, of course not--there are some whom it will never matter to (and of course we can't let their kids starve). It will mean something to the majority who are able to control their own biological functions and who care about their own income--that's what will make the difference. Most people will do what is economically feasible. As for the rest--well, if they are happy living in the style to which they will forced to be become accustomed, breed away.

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Posted 30 November 2008 - 07:40 AM

This thread is a fine example of why it's better to live on or near a frontier rather than an inward looking society where people become fixated on controlling the behavior of other people.

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Posted 30 November 2008 - 07:41 AM

we need to stop overprocreation and the sick cultural prejudices of RACISM and effectively CULTURAL EUGENICS

If we really put a stop to procreation by parents who can't afford to raise their children decently, that would be de facto genocide in a number of poor nations. Since the outcome would be a lot fewer people of color, I'm sure that claims of racism and perhaps cultural eugenics would be raised.

I never knew that you had 3 adopted children, or any children for that matter. Was your decision to adopt instead of procreate an ethical preference, or were you not able to create children in the usual way?


not really, rich people could adopt those that are already created and their is already alot of color in rich nations - look at America it's hardly white anymore

sure people would say that, but the reasoning is clearly ability to support rather than color or ethnicity

i have fully functioning anatomy but no desire to pass on my genes to make fodder for humanity as it exists at present - I don't like being fodder and I don't want to
do it to others

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Posted 30 November 2008 - 07:43 AM

This thread is a fine example of why it's better to live on or near a frontier rather than an inward looking society where people become fixated on controlling the behavior of other people.


and why is that bgwowk? if you have something to say, just say it!

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Posted 30 November 2008 - 07:46 AM

There are no guarantees in life, right? You roll the dice, you take your chance. If you're not willing to pay for your own child's needs, why should the rest of us? It's not punishment. Life is is not always fair.

I think that health insurance should cover that which genetic screening doesn't take care of, you can't expect people to take on the expenses and care of those children - it can be a full time job and the costs are incredible

certainly they could provide alot of care at home, but they should have the option to abort the child before it develops if it clearly has genetic defects

No, of course not--there are some whom it will never matter to (and of course we can't let their kids starve). It will mean something to the majority who are able to control their own biological functions and who care about their own income--that's what will make the difference. Most people will do what is economically feasible. As for the rest--well, if they are happy living in the style to which they will forced to be become accustomed, breed away.

like I said, i agree it's useful as a deterrent but it's not a complete solution

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Posted 30 November 2008 - 08:40 AM

This thread is a fine example of why it's better to live on or near a frontier rather than an inward looking society where people become fixated on controlling the behavior of other people.


and why is that bgwowk? if you have something to say, just say it!

I think people can be too quick to propose controls on other people as a way to solve problems, and the proposed mandatory one child policy is an example of that. Forcible control of reproduction is a bad meme to attach to immortalism.
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Posted 30 November 2008 - 08:43 AM

This thread is a fine example of why it's better to live on or near a frontier rather than an inward looking society where people become fixated on controlling the behavior of other people.


and why is that bgwowk? if you have something to say, just say it!


abolitionist,

Please stop trying to legislate your version of morality.
Most people disagree with you.

That's my interpretation of bgwowk.
I'm inclined to agree.

rwac

Edited by rwac, 30 November 2008 - 08:48 AM.


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Posted 30 November 2008 - 08:45 AM

This thread is a fine example of why it's better to live on or near a frontier rather than an inward looking society where people become fixated on controlling the behavior of other people.


and why is that bgwowk? if you have something to say, just say it!


abolitionist,

Please stop trying to legislate your version of morality.

That's my interpretation of bgwowk.


and who's version of morality should we legislate?

this is a forum for debate there is no legislation here!


This thread is a fine example of why it's better to live on or near a frontier rather than an inward looking society where people become fixated on controlling the behavior of other people.


and why is that bgwowk? if you have something to say, just say it!

I think people can be too quick to propose controls on other people as a way to solve problems, and the proposed mandatory one child policy is an example of that. Forcible control of reproduction is a bad meme to attach to immortalism.


Why? and why?

Here's what I see : people don't like to be told what to do, tough shit that's what happens when you collaborate, there are rules

there is no attachment to "immortalism", now you're trying to use muscle to silence a debate

control of reproduction however, will become vital to the success of longevity - for obvious reasons

Edited by abolitionist, 30 November 2008 - 08:54 AM.


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Posted 30 November 2008 - 08:52 AM

This thread is a fine example of why it's better to live on or near a frontier rather than an inward looking society where people become fixated on controlling the behavior of other people.


and why is that bgwowk? if you have something to say, just say it!


abolitionist,

Please stop trying to legislate your version of morality.

That's my interpretation of bgwowk.


and who's version of morality should we legislate?

this is a forum for debate there is no legislation here!


Morality should not be legislated, it's personal.
You are discussing controlling other people's behavior, yes ?
That's proposing legislation of some sort.

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Posted 30 November 2008 - 08:55 AM

This thread is a fine example of why it's better to live on or near a frontier rather than an inward looking society where people become fixated on controlling the behavior of other people.


and why is that bgwowk? if you have something to say, just say it!


abolitionist,

Please stop trying to legislate your version of morality.

That's my interpretation of bgwowk.


and who's version of morality should we legislate?

this is a forum for debate there is no legislation here!


Morality should not be legislated, it's personal.
You are discussing controlling other people's behavior, yes ?
That's proposing legislation of some sort.


what do you think laws are?

think you can drive as fast as you want?

come on! Libertarianism is not a validation for anything

Edited by abolitionist, 30 November 2008 - 08:56 AM.


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Posted 30 November 2008 - 08:57 AM

when you're talking about procreation, you're talking about effecting the rights of those you create as well as the course of humanity

not regulating is clearly not an option, we already do it all over the world for good reasons

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Posted 30 November 2008 - 09:03 AM

when you're talking about procreation, you're talking about effecting the rights of those you create as well as the course of humanity

not regulating is clearly not an option, we already do it all over the world for good reasons


If you want to save the most children, why wouldn't you work to overthrow Mugabe (for instance).
It seems like lots of things would save more children than simply adopting a couple.

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Posted 30 November 2008 - 09:06 AM

when you're talking about procreation, you're talking about effecting the rights of those you create as well as the course of humanity

not regulating is clearly not an option, we already do it all over the world for good reasons


If you want to save the most children, why wouldn't you work to overthrow Mugabe (for instance).
It seems like lots of things would save more children than simply adopting a couple.


lol, that's a separate debate isn't it?

so why are you trying to throw off topic?

you'd like to cut down my mojo wouldn't you because i just cut down your BS?

it's simple, you live forever - we can't have the same amount of children!

didn't i make it clear that I was discussing the viability of having a true longevity treatment?

Edited by abolitionist, 30 November 2008 - 09:09 AM.


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Posted 30 November 2008 - 09:09 AM

when you're talking about procreation, you're talking about effecting the rights of those you create as well as the course of humanity

not regulating is clearly not an option, we already do it all over the world for good reasons


If you want to save the most children, why wouldn't you work to overthrow Mugabe (for instance).
It seems like lots of things would save more children than simply adopting a couple.


lol, that's a separate debate isn't it?

so why are you trying to throw off topic?

you'd like to cut down my mojo wouldn't you because i just cut down your BS?


Maybe a little bit. Since you wanted an extreme position, I gave you one.
Goodnight.

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Posted 30 November 2008 - 09:10 AM

when you're talking about procreation, you're talking about effecting the rights of those you create as well as the course of humanity

not regulating is clearly not an option, we already do it all over the world for good reasons


If you want to save the most children, why wouldn't you work to overthrow Mugabe (for instance).
It seems like lots of things would save more children than simply adopting a couple.


lol, that's a separate debate isn't it?

so why are you trying to throw off topic?

you'd like to cut down my mojo wouldn't you because i just cut down your BS?


Maybe a little bit. Since you wanted an extreme position, I gave you one.
Goodnight.


sleep well I work nights, actually I'm hoping you all will think about quality vs. quantity

justified by the reduced need through longevity treatments

Edited by abolitionist, 30 November 2008 - 09:13 AM.


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Posted 30 November 2008 - 09:11 AM

big pharma does alot of harm in all countries to children, even in America

if the UN and world powers wanted to, they could easily remove Mugabe... (there's a nefarious plot to cut down third world populations - but I should debate this elsewhere)

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Posted 30 November 2008 - 09:32 AM

when you're talking about procreation, you're talking about effecting the rights of those you create as well as the course of humanity

not regulating is clearly not an option, we already do it all over the world for good reasons


If you want to save the most children, why wouldn't you work to overthrow Mugabe (for instance).
It seems like lots of things would save more children than simply adopting a couple.


lol, that's a separate debate isn't it?

so why are you trying to throw off topic?

you'd like to cut down my mojo wouldn't you because i just cut down your BS?


Maybe a little bit. Since you wanted an extreme position, I gave you one.
Goodnight.


sleep well I work nights, actually I'm hoping you all will think about quality vs. quantity

justified by the reduced need through longevity treatments


Back for one more post.

abolitionist, just curious. Does freedom mean nothing to you ?
That's the path you seem to be headed down, the "optimal" choice is chosen for you.

Would you have the U.S. become more like China ?
Do you think converting the U.S. into something resembling China is an acceptable price for Immortality ?

Goodnight again, really this time.
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Posted 30 November 2008 - 09:37 AM

Clearly, we do not have physical overpopulation and will not have it globally unless
we see at least a full century of sustained global population growth (which is unlikely).

But regarding the social issues vs. population density... Most third world countries have
IWF funded US-weapon dealer supplied totalitarian governments or are socialist or
muslim dictatorship hellholes like north korea or syria.

We need a movement for global freedom and not depopulation, or at least for sovereignitiy
of stabilized, human rights respecting democratically elected governments to give people an
opportunity to arrive at freedom. This is what is in the best interest of the US people as well,
as it means future trade and research partners in these countries instead of only recipients
for IWF loans and weapons, in the future.

In the developed world, we do not need moderate depopulation or one child policies, but
deregulation and restoration of constitutional rights and true economic freedom. Every
free, well-educated individual is an end in itself and will contribute a net worth to society.

Compare the countries ranking lowest in economic freedom here: http://en.wikipedia....conomic_freedom
...with the highest poverty percentage here: http://en.wikipedia....ving_in_poverty

The numbers totally speak for themselves. Don't you think poverty might have a bit more
to do with freedom? Dude, we need a movement for global freedom, not depopulation!

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Posted 30 November 2008 - 03:37 PM

"Does freedom mean nothing to you ?
That's the path you seem to be headed down, the "optimal" choice is chosen for you.

Would you have the U.S. become more like China ?
Do you think converting the U.S. into something resembling China is an acceptable price for Immortality?"

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Freedom means nothing for those who are created to be a resource for our leviathan, we should think about the lives we are creating and their lifelong individual happiness

to me, that takes precedence over a couple whinning about being forced to limit their procreation or undergo mandatory pre-implantation genetic diagnosis - to which I say "tough"

if people were capable of making ethical decisions on their own we wouldn't need laws or punishments for breaking laws

you're trying to put a false dichotomy over this whole discussion, Immortality will force us to stop procreating so much and it will have to be enforced, just like all laws are - or else no one will follow them

some even try to break them just for the fun of it

China is not the model, you're associating one-child policy with China which has a horrible human rights record

when what I am proposing is the protection of the rights of those we create

how little we think about the children we are bringing into this world or the burden we are placing on them - just like pollution

it's self evident that humans are too short term in their thinking processes - not to mention hopelessly self-interested

Edited by abolitionist, 30 November 2008 - 03:38 PM.


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Posted 30 November 2008 - 03:39 PM

Libertarians cite freedom as the justifying value for public policy

Which is logically inconsistent with human rights or the inherent desires of sentient beings

Freedom will always have limitations, in order to protect the rights of others

for human beings are not naturally inclined to respect the freedoms or rights of others

they seek dominance and power

Edited by abolitionist, 30 November 2008 - 03:41 PM.

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Posted 30 November 2008 - 03:45 PM

We need a movement for global freedom and not depopulation, or at least for sovereignitiy
of stabilized, human rights respecting democratically elected governments to give people an
opportunity to arrive at freedom.

AB : why is that? what is your goal - to have as many humans as possible? "freedom is not the goal" - instead we should protect rights

In the developed world, we do not need moderate depopulation or one child policies, but
deregulation and restoration of constitutional rights and true economic freedom. Every
free, well-educated individual is an end in itself and will contribute a net worth to society.

AB : you think that constitutional rights and 'true economic freedom' will solve overpopulation? Are you assuming that I'm talking about killing people off rather than controlling birth rate so that we can live longer lives (with a longevity treatment)? I shouldn't assume, but it sounds like you're afraid of the New World Order and not thinking about the debate at hand.

Edited by abolitionist, 30 November 2008 - 03:46 PM.


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Posted 30 November 2008 - 03:50 PM

freedom and free markets are the solution for all our problems right?

maybe if we were saints, but we're human beings with nasty drives/Darwinian genes

we need rights, rules, and regulations to protect the quality of lives we create - to protect us from the 'freedom' of each other

parents tend to view their children as fodder - to carry on their beliefs and do the work of society

I say : work towards becoming self sufficient through longevity and sustainable science - and end your addiction to careless procreation - these beings we create through genetic roulette are not food for our leviathan!

but this is off topic...

Edited by abolitionist, 30 November 2008 - 03:53 PM.


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Posted 30 November 2008 - 03:55 PM

infant-ry...

child sacrifice was prevalent in many ancient cultures, and we still have the same genes

this is what humans do when they are free, they screw each other over for dominance!

why do you think we have this world economic crisis?

because there weren't enough regulations to prevent greedy sons of b----es from destroying the whole world market for their short term profits...

there's your freedom and free market!

Edited by abolitionist, 30 November 2008 - 03:58 PM.


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Posted 30 November 2008 - 04:00 PM

instead of liberty and freedom, think rights for everyone

rights are qualified freedoms - this is what is reasonable, not just "man I wanna be able to do whatever I want because I'm an American"

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Posted 30 November 2008 - 06:44 PM

Here's what I see : people don't like to be told what to do, tough shit that's what happens when you collaborate, there are rules

Collaborations are mutual agreements. In the course of collaboration, it may be mutually agreed to give rule-making authority to certain parties within certain bounds. If those bounds are exceeded, or if people otherwise become very unhappy about rules made, then it's time to change the parties with authority or leave the collaboration. You can see from the reactions in this thread that harsh restrictions on reproduction appear to be something that people will be unhappy about, and hence not want to participate in. They will go elsewhere. Hence my reference to frontiers.

In the long term the idea that indefinite lifespans require some kind of enforced restrictions on reproduction for everyone is fundamentally incorrect. In the short term, I don't think there is a citable example anywhere in the world of technological increase in lifespans causing population pressure. Given the natural tendency for birthrates to decrease with increasing health and wealth, I don't expect to see any for a long time.

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Posted 30 November 2008 - 06:53 PM

certainly they could provide alot of care at home, but they should have the option to abort the child before it develops if it clearly has genetic defects


Yes; and if they choose to have it anyway, it should be their financial responsibility. There will be unfortunate cases that could not be detected, but everybody should know that might happen when they take into consideration whether or not to breed.

like I said, i agree it's useful as a deterrent but it's not a complete solution


Yes, but it would be a really place to start. And maybe once most people are actually forced to pay for their own children instead of spreading the cost around, they may not be as eager to contribute to the care of others' kids, which could lead to stricter regulations as more and more people realize it's in their best interest too. As you can see, any mention that people shouldn't be able to procreate at will brings a lot of negative reaction--and here probably a lot less than most places, so practically, you couldn't start with the ultimate rules that you want to end up with.

I totally agree with you that believing in freedom for the individual does not necessarily extend to believing in the freedom to create as many other people as you want to without regard to their well-being, their financial impact on others, and ultimately the ability of the planet to sustain them. It seems logical to me, but any leaning towards that always brings accusations of being a totalitarian or something equally nasty.

The population will peak, one way or another; most likely in a way that brings a lot more suffering than it would if people exercised more control. The best pro-environmental thing anyone can do is not reproduce.

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Posted 30 November 2008 - 07:19 PM

there is no attachment to "immortalism", now you're trying to use muscle to silence a debate

No, I didn't mean to be taken that way. The debate is worth having.

The problem is that variation and selection of replicators strongly favors the urge to reproduce. For humans, this means that desires for children, virtues of children, importance of posterity, etc., is a deep part of human culture. The apparent conflict between indefinite lifespans and reproduction is a major source of negative reaction to the idea of lifespan extension. People are wired by evolution to literally prefer death over not reproducing. I believe that advocacy of government control of reproduction because of (incorrectly) perceived incompatibility between indefinite lifespans and reproduction is a reinforcement of a deep emotional backlash that life extension already faces. It's not necessary.

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Posted 01 December 2008 - 07:17 PM

Overpopulation is likely with true longevity, so should we limit procreation and focus more on quality/length of life instead of quantity of procreation?

(the goal being : Less people who are genetically screened and live longer, healthier, and happier lives with greater functionality?)

If no, how do you propose to deal with overpopulation and shouldn't we be trying to create better people rather than allowing current procreational practices?


You could also argue that the more humans there are, the more mental and physical labor there is. More great minds, more entrepreneurs, and more workers all contributing to our massive global network, basically, the more people there are, the faster technology exponentially advances.

The problem is weighing current population support with future technological improvements that will allow for much greater population support in the future is seeing by how much and when it would be good to decrease/increase the population growth rate.

What's more, though we won't experience a significant drop in living standards, even if we do, it is not negative enough a reason to control the population, it can even be beneficial in the long term. The more people there are, the lower the average living standard and history has shown again and again that times of poverty, war, and suffering produce great innovation in food preparation, population control, agriculture, medicine, and industrial technology. A higher standard of living can be argued be a sign of waste of potential resources. Of course there are benefits in higher standards of living, better health care, better food quality, better entertainment, more time to devote to innovation. However, one does not need to even worry about potentially lowering standards of living with a rising population because as rational futurists we all already see that technology is not only keeping pace with our demands, it is exceeding them exponentially. Potential minor negative effects of overpopulation will last only a few years, at most a decade, before technology and globalization surpass these projected problems, and this all will happen long before the singularity.

Humans in developed economies may find that their union has to accept smaller paychecks or that they can get laid off from their financial job more easily, but relatively all of this concern is negligible in the long term. Humans in developing and indigent economies will experience a massive relative increase in their standard of living and education, bringing their minds and talent into the global push for innovative contribution and technological advancement, whereas before those in poverty had been a net drain on world economical resources.

I say we put more effort in increasing the population (most importantly in developed nations, as developing nations already have that handled), improving education, and globalization rather than being isolationist and population controlling. We will have all the time we need and a great amount of technological resources to improve our standards of living to unimaginable heights once immortality is attained. I have a libertarian bent so I am optimistic about all the members of our species contributing their best effort in their innovation, labor, services, and goods with minimal obstructive government interference in the form of excessive taxation, moral or environmental regulation, or population control, especially with ever present and ever expanding technological assistance.

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Posted 02 December 2008 - 12:11 AM

Here's what I see : people don't like to be told what to do, tough shit that's what happens when you collaborate, there are rules

Collaborations are mutual agreements. In the course of collaboration, it may be mutually agreed to give rule-making authority to certain parties within certain bounds. If those bounds are exceeded, or if people otherwise become very unhappy about rules made, then it's time to change the parties with authority or leave the collaboration. You can see from the reactions in this thread that harsh restrictions on reproduction appear to be something that people will be unhappy about, and hence not want to participate in. They will go elsewhere. Hence my reference to frontiers.

In the long term the idea that indefinite lifespans require some kind of enforced restrictions on reproduction for everyone is fundamentally incorrect. In the short term, I don't think there is a citable example anywhere in the world of technological increase in lifespans causing population pressure. Given the natural tendency for birthrates to decrease with increasing health and wealth, I don't expect to see any for a long time.


that's right I'm talking about if a viable longevity treatment is available

however, if we are hoping for an effective longevity treatment in our lifetimes, then we will have to deal with population control

people don't like any new rules at first unless they feel their rights are being protected by them - but when the results of mandatory genetic screening and procreational licenses to ensure ability to care for children and to ensure no unwanted pregnancies : people will be forced to conclude that it's better for the human race and consequently them as well

think how much better society would be without careless parents and genetic diseases that we can screen for! we'd have more resources for other pursuits and a higher quality population

the problem is that people don't feel caring for the rights of those they create, it's proven that parents can not be trusted to care for the rights of children and that the government must set rules for this purpose




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