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[matthias7]

Cerebral health: whats the purity of your Pram. Certificate of analysis?

[425runner]

Matthias7 - I bought 100 grams of Pramiracetam for $100 from Cerebral Health a few weeks ago and all I can say is that it works! Very potent and effective - makes me more focused and logical, unlike Piracetam which gets the writing and other creative juices flowing. I'm extremely sensitive to supplements which makes me a good guinea pig to try new products and be able to say if they work or not.

Cerebral Health is a good source - that being said, I wish they'd charge less for shipping and sell the Pram for a bit less......

All the best

425runnner

Cerebral health: whats the purity of your Pram. Certificate of analysis?

[matthias7]

Thanks Runner. So far so good.

[Mike M]

I like what you have to say.

I would like to buy from SP but you're shipping prices to Canada are quite obscene; $30 to get 500g of Piracetam, price $18.99, shipped here.

You would have more loyal customers giving you uphold the standards you speak of and lower shipping to Canada

You might be right, but I"m not going to lose money shipping a package. I use fedex. International actual shipping costs have gone up a lot in the past few years. I shipped 1000's of packages when I owned bulk/1fast out of the country. USPS is a nightmare to deal with. It was taking up to 6 months on occasion for packages to be shipped back. Their tracking system is horrible and not a true tracking method. If you look at their priority service vs fedex, it's about 5 bucks cheaper and takes 3-4 days longer.

I wouldn't use regular airmail, ever. We lost tons of packages and usps couldn't tell us where they were. Customer didn't get package, they charged their card back and we're out the inventory AND the money. Cost us a fortune.

[cougar]

Is there some way we can be sure that what you're selling us is what was actually tested? The thing is, you can easily get the compound synthesised by two different countries, say one in Germany and one in China. You test the German compound, receive a COA in your companies name, etc, and sell us the Chinese product. It's not like you are a Relentless Improvement either. Your new company is relatively unknown and your last one has a history of dogy work and dubious COAs (provided by the Chinese manufacturers themselves).

The pharmaceutical business can't just be about trust. If I, or we, are going to be taking this substance we need a reassurance that it is what you say it is. I strongly believe that if you provide this you will see the kind of demand you want to. Relentless Improvement is a great exemplary case.

Your concern could be address about anything sold within the nutritional industry. All I can say is that there is plenty of history on the internet about me and what I do. I suggest checking that out and cast your own judgement from there. I was the first person to expand into the bulk powder business and regular nutritional supplements on the same site. I was the first person to test people's products (labelclaimstesting.com) that I carried. I got sued around 12 times for doing all that testing, which is why I eventually stopped doing it. If there is anyone in this industry that is a "marked" man, it's me. If I was caught underdosing or selling crap material, my competition would love it. Show me ONE test of anything I've ever sold that didn't meet claim.

As far as you bashing my previous company, that just makes me laugh. I sold in 2006. Go find bad feedback from the days that I owned it. To compare my 8 figure a year business to something like relentless is apples and oranges. You obviously know little about my company when I owned it. I've bought more lab standards than any company in this industry. People weren't even able to test for half the crap they sell till I paid to have the standards done. At the end of the day, all I can do is test the stuff I make (which I always have) and try to sell it. If you don't want t purchase it, not much I can do about it.

I like what you have to say.

I would like to buy from SP but you're shipping prices to Canada are quite obscene; $30 to get 500g of Piracetam, price $18.99, shipped here.

You would have more loyal customers giving you uphold the standards you speak of and lower shipping to Canada

Actually, not $30, it will be $40 because you will have to pay a COD fee of $10 if you want to get your packet at your door. I called FEDEX many times wanted to ask about what this COD fee stands for but nobody ever answered my call, I left messages but nobody ever returned my call.
BTW, COD fee is absolutely neither tax nor duty stuff. I think it's kind of a HIDDEN SHIPPING CHARGE. It's probably a way the sender uses to let the packet receiver to pay a portion of the shipping. I mentioned this problem in the forum once but Mike never responded that post.

Edited by cougar, 25 October 2009 - 04:40 AM.

[Mike M]

Sorry, I don't catch every thread, you can always email me directly from the site. Buyers are responsible for duties and taxes on their package. We don't pay those. Each country is different on how they set those fee's.

[1kgcoffee]

For a person whose never tried any nootropes before is it better to start on piracetam or if you can afford it jump straight to the prami?

Anyone know who the best suppliers are for Canadian customers?

[rollo]

You make a valid point about the packages being lost.

I do have some confidence in my other source for Piracetam, so at this point I simply cannot justify the higher shipping cost as a buyer.

[Mike M]

Hey, I totally understand. I always encourage people to find someone to order with to split shipping costs. That or order the 3kg version and split it up with others. If I can gain some confidence back in USPS, I'll start offering them. Right now, it's taking them 2 weeks JUST to send me the stuff I need to send international packages, not inspiring.

[Johann]

What is the standard dosage for Pram?

I am a dedicated Ani user but from what I've heard, Pram may even be better. I chase 600 mg of Ani w/ 4 mg of Galantamine and I'm doing great. I've cut back my study time yet made a 98 (out of 100) on my last micro test.
So how would 300 mg of Pram work?

[magnanyme]

What is the standard dosage for Pram?

I am a dedicated Ani user but from what I've heard, Pram may even be better. I chase 600 mg of Ani w/ 4 mg of Galantamine and I'm doing great. I've cut back my study time yet made a 98 (out of 100) on my last micro test.
So how would 300 mg of Pram work?

I actualy use both: ani and pram; super mix, incredible results. I know that the reaction for pram is very different from one person to another but for me the required dosage to get a noticeable effect is the same than for aniracetam: 800mg.

[garfildbg]

What should I do if I miss my priracetam dose. I am currenty taking piracetam 3X a day every dose of 1200 mg. I should take one at 8:00 am but I missed that dose and I toke dose at 11:00 am. Shuld I take next dose as usual at 16:00 pm or I have to calculate new dose time according to my last take at 11:00 am so next dose should be at 19:00 pm.

Thanks.

[synapse]

Matthias7 - I bought 100 grams of Pramiracetam for $100 from Cerebral Health a few weeks ago and all I can say is that it works! Very potent and effective - makes me more focused and logical, unlike Piracetam which gets the writing and other creative juices flowing. I'm extremely sensitive to supplements which makes me a good guinea pig to try new products and be able to say if they work or not.

Cerebral Health is a good source - that being said, I wish they'd charge less for shipping and sell the Pram for a bit less......

All the best

425runnner

Cerebral health: whats the purity of your Pram. Certificate of analysis?

Our COAs for pramiracetam at Cerebral Health are available upon request. Since this is one of our most popular products, we have new COAs fairly regularly.

We currently charge $10 to ship 100 grams of pramiracetam anywhere in the world. Since we use PayPal as our payment processor at the moment, shipping costs are standard for international and domestic packages. Unfortunately, PayPal is limited in shipping cost customization.

As far as I know, our pramiracetam prices are still the best on the web at $119 for 100 grams. We also offer pram in 500 gram increments for $495 which brings the price down to $99/100 grams.

Good to hear that our pram is working for you.

[425runner]

Hey Synapse -

Any chance of having a Thanksgiving sale on Pramiracetam? A while ago, I was able to buy 100 grams for $100 or slightly less from you. Pram is amazing!! Thank you!!

Matthias7 - I bought 100 grams of Pramiracetam for $100 from Cerebral Health a few weeks ago and all I can say is that it works! Very potent and effective - makes me more focused and logical, unlike Piracetam which gets the writing and other creative juices flowing. I'm extremely sensitive to supplements which makes me a good guinea pig to try new products and be able to say if they work or not.

Cerebral Health is a good source - that being said, I wish they'd charge less for shipping and sell the Pram for a bit less......

All the best

425runnner

Cerebral health: whats the purity of your Pram. Certificate of analysis?

Our COAs for pramiracetam at Cerebral Health are available upon request. Since this is one of our most popular products, we have new COAs fairly regularly.

We currently charge $10 to ship 100 grams of pramiracetam anywhere in the world. Since we use PayPal as our payment processor at the moment, shipping costs are standard for international and domestic packages. Unfortunately, PayPal is limited in shipping cost customization.

As far as I know, our pramiracetam prices are still the best on the web at $119 for 100 grams. We also offer pram in 500 gram increments for $495 which brings the price down to $99/100 grams.

Good to hear that our pram is working for you.

[synapse]

Hey Synapse -

Any chance of having a Thanksgiving sale on Pramiracetam? A while ago, I was able to buy 100 grams for $100 or slightly less from you. Pram is amazing!! Thank you!!

Sounds good to me 425runner! I will update the website today.

Edited by synapse, 15 November 2009 - 01:16 PM.

[malcasid]

Hi Synapse,

I`ve been taking Synaptine Ultra with Alertropin. I have tried taking anywhere from 1-4 capsules of Alertropin at one time (on an empty stomach). And I have taken anywhere from 1-4 capsules of Synaptine Ultra at one time (with food).

I have also tried dosing 1 capsule up to 4 times a day of both Alertropin and Synaptine Ultra. I find myself getting very sleepy 2 hours after taking the Synaptine Ultra. I don`t know if this is the Synaptine Ultra or Alertropin that is making me sleepy. I suspect it may be the aniracetam in the Alertropin causing this.

Anyway, the reason I am taking so much Alertropin is to combat mental fatigue/daytime sleepyness. And the reason I am taking 4 capsules of Synaptine Ultra is to get the purported photographic memory effects of Pramiracetam in this thread http://www.imminst.o...&...st&p=242079 In this thread the OP mentioned having photographic memory after taking at least 1800mg of pramiracetam a day.

With this regimen I am getting 1200mg of Alpha GPC a day (which is the clinical dosage anyway). However, I am also getting choline from the Alertropin in the form of centrophenoxine at 800mg a day. So, I am probably over dosing on the choline. Could this be what is causing me to be sleepy?

I probably should have just bought the Pramiracetam powder so that I could dose without worrying about getting too much A-GPC. But, I don`t have scale and don`t know how I would be able to accurately capsule it.

Synapse, do you have any recommendations as to how I should dose Alertropin, and Synaptine Ultra? Thanks!

[synapse]

You may be over-stimulating your brain by taking too much that may be resulting in a bit of a crash. Most of the nootropics have an inverted U shape efficacy to them- its important to dose appropriately to find the peak for your individual neurochemistry. You may want to scale back quite a bit by taking only one capsule of Synaptine Ultra in the morning for a few days and guage your mental energy levels throughout the day. From there, you could introduce the Alertropin slowly around mid-day (once again only one capsule).

With that said, Aniracetam can have an anti-anxiety effect and be calming. The Alertropin formula is designed to increase alertness and wakefulness without edginess. A calm clarity should be the result.

If you are especially sensitive, even a half capsule of each can be effective.

As general rules of thumb, also try to avoid alcohol as much as you can, attempt to get in an hour of exercise every day, and give yourself sufficient time to get adequate sleep (normally 8 hours). Keep an eye on your sleep cycles- both too little sleep and too much can cause drowsiness throughout the day.

Hi Synapse,

I`ve been taking Synaptine Ultra with Alertropin. I have tried taking anywhere from 1-4 capsules of Alertropin at one time (on an empty stomach). And I have taken anywhere from 1-4 capsules of Synaptine Ultra at one time (with food).

I have also tried dosing 1 capsule up to 4 times a day of both Alertropin and Synaptine Ultra. I find myself getting very sleepy 2 hours after taking the Synaptine Ultra. I don`t know if this is the Synaptine Ultra or Alertropin that is making me sleepy. I suspect it may be the aniracetam in the Alertropin causing this.

Anyway, the reason I am taking so much Alertropin is to combat mental fatigue/daytime sleepyness. And the reason I am taking 4 capsules of Synaptine Ultra is to get the purported photographic memory effects of Pramiracetam in this thread http://www.imminst.o...&...st&p=242079 In this thread the OP mentioned having photographic memory after taking at least 1800mg of pramiracetam a day.

With this regimen I am getting 1200mg of Alpha GPC a day (which is the clinical dosage anyway). However, I am also getting choline from the Alertropin in the form of centrophenoxine at 800mg a day. So, I am probably over dosing on the choline. Could this be what is causing me to be sleepy?

I probably should have just bought the Pramiracetam powder so that I could dose without worrying about getting too much A-GPC. But, I don`t have scale and don`t know how I would be able to accurately capsule it.

Synapse, do you have any recommendations as to how I should dose Alertropin, and Synaptine Ultra? Thanks!

Edited by synapse, 16 November 2009 - 02:31 PM.

[Jaygo333]

You may be over-stimulating your brain by taking too much that may be resulting in a bit of a crash. Most of the nootropics have an inverted U shape efficacy to them- its important to dose appropriately to find the peak for your individual neurochemistry. You may want to scale back quite a bit by taking only one capsule of Synaptine Ultra in the morning for a few days and guage your mental energy levels throughout the day. From there, you could introduce the Alertropin slowly around mid-day (once again only one capsule).

With that said, Aniracetam can have an anti-anxiety effect and be calming. The Alertropin formula is designed to increase alertness and wakefulness without edginess. A calm clarity should be the result.

If you are especially sensitive, even a half capsule of each can be effective.

As general rules of thumb, also try to avoid alcohol as much as you can, attempt to get in an hour of exercise every day, and give yourself sufficient time to get adequate sleep (normally 8 hours). Keep an eye on your sleep cycles- both too little sleep and too much can cause drowsiness throughout the day.

I've been browsing these forums for the better part of 6 months and have experimented from Piracetam, Aniracetam and now Pramiracetam - specifically Synap Ultra - and have a question relating as to what times to take said nootropic.

I usually take 1 pill of Aniracetam about 1 hour before class and 1 pill of Pram about 1 hour before studying.

As per your advise to the previous poster, you suggest taking 1 Pram pill early morning and Aniracetam around noon.

My question is simple, when is the best time to take said noots. Consistently early morning and noon or when needed.

I have only Synap Ultra and Synap Elite.

Thanks again for your answers.

[synapse]

Jaygo-

You will likely need to experiment a bit to find what works best for you. However, for many of the nootropics including Synaptine Elite and Ultra, it is generally preferable to be consistent to maintain desired results while cycling off at scheduled intervals.

I personally think the mornings and afternoons are generally the best times to take nootropics unless you need to study well into the night. Many nootropics will effect dreaming and REM sleep and vivid dreaming often occurs when taking noots later in the day. For some, vivid dreaming is the actual goal and there seems to be a strong connection between REM sleep and memory consolidation. For long-term memory retention, some people may find taking nootropics later at night to be effective, but there has not been enough studies done in my own mind to suggest that taking enhancers at night is more effective than taking during the day for learning activities. I hope more research is done in this area.

I've been browsing these forums for the better part of 6 months and have experimented from Piracetam, Aniracetam and now Pramiracetam - specifically Synap Ultra - and have a question relating as to what times to take said nootropic.

I usually take 1 pill of Aniracetam about 1 hour before class and 1 pill of Pram about 1 hour before studying.

As per your advise to the previous poster, you suggest taking 1 Pram pill early morning and Aniracetam around noon.

My question is simple, when is the best time to take said noots. Consistently early morning and noon or when needed.

I have only Synap Ultra and Synap Elite.

Thanks again for your answers.

Edited by synapse, 24 November 2009 - 12:28 PM.

[magellan]

For what it's worth...
Synaptine Zen is turning out to be my favorite nootropic.
I'd describe it as a heightened mental clarity, intense concentration ability, vocal fludity, emotional stability, and quite simply, top-shelf logical acuity.
Feels a lot like being in the zone in sports...everything "just happens" without conscious effort.
Just my mileage so far though.

[synapse]

For what it's worth...
Synaptine Zen is turning out to be my favorite nootropic.
I'd describe it as a heightened mental clarity, intense concentration ability, vocal fludity, emotional stability, and quite simply, top-shelf logical acuity.
Feels a lot like being in the zone in sports...everything "just happens" without conscious effort.
Just my mileage so far though.

great to hear magellan!

[DAMABO]

Our COAs for pramiracetam at Cerebral Health are available upon request. Since this is one of our most popular products, we have new COAs fairly regularly.

We currently charge $10 to ship 100 grams of pramiracetam anywhere in the world. Since we use PayPal as our payment processor at the moment, shipping costs are standard for international and domestic packages. Unfortunately, PayPal is limited in shipping cost customization.

As far as I know, our pramiracetam prices are still the best on the web at $119 for 100 grams. We also offer pram in 500 gram increments for $495 which brings the price down to $99/100 grams.

Good to hear that our pram is working for you.

hm. and when I mail you twice about a COA, you don't respond?
has anybody even seen such a COA?

[Introspecta]

Pramiracetam $30 for 25 grams @smartpowders

[Introspecta]

oops it was already said about smart powders

[Boolean]

Iron-dragon offers the cheapest prices for Pram. that I can tell.

ID has been my RC supplier of choice for a while now. I've tried a lot of other RC suppliers out there for a wide variety of things and I keep coming back to ID.

Just got some selegiline from them... I'm on my fourth day today so, who knows. I always have trust issues when it comes to RC sites. You just never know what they're up to.