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#61 Florin Clapa

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Posted 07 August 2009 - 06:04 AM

Aubrey is preparing a statement. Yay!

Do you know if Aubrey will promote the project on Facebook?

Edited by Florin Clapa, 07 August 2009 - 06:21 AM.


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Posted 07 August 2009 - 10:22 PM

Money Bomb today, friday August 7th only, one time limited opportunity >>>------------> http://www.imminst.o...o...c=31879&hl=

#63 Mind

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Posted 08 August 2009 - 03:36 PM

Total through Friday August 7th: $2,971.45

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Posted 08 August 2009 - 06:06 PM

Do you know if Gavrilov is posting a blog or anything for this? I wonder how many bloggers we have around here that have viewerships of any amount say, at least 10 or more.

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Posted 08 August 2009 - 06:23 PM

Do you know if Gavrilov is posting a blog or anything for this? I wonder how many bloggers we have around here that have viewerships of any amount say, at least 10 or more.


BTW, someone should make a list of life extension-related blogs and ask them to blog about the project.

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Posted 08 August 2009 - 07:38 PM

Do you know if Gavrilov is posting a blog or anything for this? I wonder how many bloggers we have around here that have viewerships of any amount say, at least 10 or more.


BTW, someone should make a list of life extension-related blogs and ask them to blog about the project.



Thats what I was trying to say, but with trying to use phrases like "somebody should do this" sparingly around the forum. I keep getting people who tell me that I should stop offering so many suggestions and that I should do it myself. To a degree they are right. And your right, somebody should do it, yes, but the few of us that do things are pretty much booked solid. We have plenty of members that could help with this.

How we get them to step up to the plate, well its hard, but we are getting there. We work with that every day. We are having more and more successes, but we need still more.

#67 AgeVivo

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Posted 08 August 2009 - 07:50 PM

5000$ more required / 20$ per person = 250 more motivated persons needed :) how many were we so far ?

some disillution perhaps: usual lab research costs much so giving coffee and a few dollars to heavy research is good but probably won't do much. There are research grants for that

hopefully some people will donate more :)

Edited by AgeVivo, 08 August 2009 - 07:56 PM.


#68 Mind

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Posted 08 August 2009 - 08:50 PM

43 people have donated so far, which is an average of $69.10 per person.

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Posted 08 August 2009 - 08:58 PM

As far as contacting people, DJS and I have been busy doing some of that. Here are the groups and people with blogs that we have contacted:

X James Hughes - IEET James.Hughes@trincoll.edu director@ieet.org
X Michael Anissimov - Accelerating Future
X Mike Perry - The Society for Venturism
X Kevin Perrot
X CAR (healthyyears.org)
X Abolitionist Society
X Reason TLM
X Alcor
X CI
X h+
X several transhumanist meet-up groups
X Inhuman Experiment
X Zombie Robot Frosting
X James Clement, H+ ezine
X A4M
X Terasem
X Bruce Klein, SingularityU
X Wired.com
X SENSF (of course)
X Digg
X Slashdot
X Next Big Future

If anyone can think of anyone else who has a blog or news service, please list them here and we can contact them.

Also, please list any other innovative incentives you can think of BEFORE MONDAY. So far we have the free tour of SENSF research center for everyone who donates over $50.

#70 AgeVivo

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Posted 09 August 2009 - 01:45 PM

i joined
- many facebook groups related to aging and
- many facebook groups related to Bill Gate.
each time i added the following lik: http://www.facebook....id=242324630703
Who knows...

Perhaps some people can do the same with other subjects / persons / foundations

Otherwise i often receive anti-aging related grant proposals, i'm not sure if that's of interest?

#71 Florin Clapa

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Posted 09 August 2009 - 05:56 PM

i joined
- many facebook groups related to Bill Gate.

That's not a good idea; we don't want to spam people.

each time i added the following lik: http://www.facebook....id=242324630703
Who knows...

Why did you still link to a group? You should have linked directly to the project page at http://www.imminst.o...-research-grant as I've mentioned before. In this case, a group is just an unnecessary obstacle that potential donors have to go through in order to donate.

Perhaps some people can do the same with other subjects / persons / foundations

I think we should stick to Transhumanist and life extension-related groups and causes only; we don't want to be perceived as purveyors of spam.

Otherwise i often receive anti-aging related grant proposals, i'm not sure if that's of interest?

I don't know what you mean here. Please explain.

#72 Florin Clapa

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Posted 09 August 2009 - 06:14 PM

Also, please list any other innovative incentives you can think of BEFORE MONDAY. So far we have the free tour of SENSF research center for everyone who donates over $50.

How about adding the 30 for $30 matching fund to the project page?

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Posted 09 August 2009 - 06:40 PM

Why did you still link to a group?

? maybe we don't use the word 'link' for the same meaning: at the bottom of a facebook page, there is a "link" section. i linked http://www.imminst.o...-research-grant like here http://www.facebook....?gid=8208901822 (Kurzweil's group) or the laser facebook group (that i created on your demand http://www.facebook....id=242324630703 ) like here http://www.facebook....gid=81069009305 (SENS 100M$).

I hope that's clearer. i proposed you to create the facebook group and handle facebook if you prefer. I don't know if i can make you the owner of the group? especially if you think it is particularly touchy. If you want you can provide me with the content and image of your choice that i will put on the group that i created on your demand. The link that appears in other groups would instantaneously be updated: linking as i did is rather safe.

I think we should stick to Transhumanist and life extension-related groups and causes only

for now we are relying on imminst-like persons. is anyone contacting 'rich' persons? don't you think it could be an occasion?

anti-aging related grant proposals

research labs in general don't beg money to typical imminst persons. they generally apply for research grants (from the NIH, NSF,etc). Once i signed to regularly receive anti-aging related grant proposals by email but I never read them. The thing is that in order to receive a grant you generally need to be a student or researcher in a research institution, to prepare a specific folder for the grant, and it may take several months.

Edited by AgeVivo, 09 August 2009 - 06:55 PM.


#74 Mind

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Posted 09 August 2009 - 06:57 PM

I added the 30 for 30 link to the main Article. Maybe I should add it closer to the top as well.

Feel free to promote the matching challenge when you update your twitter or facebook, or when you contact other orgs/blogs. It is basically a X6 matching. Every $30 dollars donated becomes $180.

#75 Florin Clapa

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Posted 09 August 2009 - 07:17 PM

Aubrey has posted a statement about the project on his Facebook Wall.

#76 Florin Clapa

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Posted 09 August 2009 - 07:34 PM

Here's an updated list of the status of each method (new or changed items in bold) that could be used to promote this project:
  • Implemented promotional methods
    • Aubrey posted an announcement on his Facebook Wall
    • Blogs
    • Imminst homepage
    • Imminst forum banner (hidden next to header)
    • Imminst forum banner (in vacant ad space)
    • Imminst forum Meet&Greet ANNOUNCEMENTS (hidden)
    • Imminst forum's Staff Picks section
    • Promotional email to Imminst members
  • Ongoing promotional methods
  • Proposed promotional methods
    • Donor list
    • Facebook cause (too late)
    • Facebook donation widgets (too late?)
    • Facebook posts
    • Google ads
    • Imminst banner (in or above header)
    • Imminst forum banner (in or above header)
    • More blogs
    • Twitter posts

Edited by Florin Clapa, 09 August 2009 - 07:39 PM.


#77 Florin Clapa

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Posted 09 August 2009 - 08:53 PM

[quote name='AgeVivo' post='340241' date='Aug 9 2009, 11:40 AM'][quote name='Florin Clapa' post='340232' date='Aug 9 2009, 06:56 PM']Why did you still link to a group?[/quote]
? maybe we don't use the word 'link' for the same meaning: at the bottom of a facebook page, there is a "link" section. i linked http://www.imminst.o...-research-grant like here http://www.facebook....?gid=8208901822 (Kurzweil's group)[/quote]
Yes, that's better. You should post it to that group's Board and Wall as well and you might want to use the laser image since its more eye catching.

[quote name='AgeVivo' post='340241' date='Aug 9 2009, 11:40 AM']or the laser facebook group (that i created on your demand http://www.facebook....id=242324630703 ) like here http://www.facebook....gid=81069009305 (SENS 100M$).[/quote]
I never said that I wanted a Facebook group for this project; that was your idea. What I did say and you might have misunderstood was that a Facebook cause would have been better than an Imminst project page, or perhaps you might have thought that linking the project on Facebook groups and causes meant that you first needed to create a Facebook group for the project.

[quote name='AgeVivo' post='340241' date='Aug 9 2009, 11:40 AM']I hope that's clearer. i proposed you to create the facebook group and handle facebook if you prefer. I don't know if i can make you the owner of the group? especially if you think it is particularly touchy. If you want you can provide me with the content and image of your choice that i will put on the group that i created on your demand. The link that appears in other groups would instantaneously be updated: linking as i did is rather safe.[/quote]
There's no need to have a Facebook group for this project.

[quote name='AgeVivo' post='340186' date='Aug 9 2009, 06:45 AM']for now we are relying on imminst-like persons. is anyone contacting 'rich' persons? don't you think it could be an occasion?[/quote]
I don't think it's worth contacting rich people for a project this small.

[quote name='AgeVivo' post='340186' date='Aug 9 2009, 06:45 AM']research labs in general don't beg money to typical imminst persons. they generally apply for research grants (from the NIH, NSF,etc). Once i signed to regularly receive anti-aging related grant proposals by email but I never read them. The thing is that in order to receive a grant you generally need to be a student or researcher in a research institution, to prepare a specific folder for the grant, and it may take several months.[/quote]
Are you saying that Nason should have first applied for a research grant at mainstream organizations?

Edited by Florin Clapa, 09 August 2009 - 08:57 PM.


#78 AgeVivo

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Posted 09 August 2009 - 09:53 PM

I never said that I wanted a Facebook group for this project; that was your idea (...) There's no need to have a Facebook group for this project.

oh. perhaps i misunderstood. I received this PM from you (doesn't seem confidential):

Since you seem to be doing a good job at linking Live Aid on Facebook groups and causes, would you be interested in doing the same for the Laser Ablation of Lipofuscin project? If you're interested, you might want to use the red laser image with the links (I can crop it out of Imminst's larger image if you need me to

i then tried to help but appearently not, sorry: each time i did somthg you told me to redo things differently ;-) That's why i'm proposing that you handle facebook

You should post it to that group's Board and Wall as well and you might want to use the laser image since its more eye catching.

I won't have internet+time to do the board and wall (travelling for some days; plus the text wouldn't have been modifyable). If you ever want me to modify the text and/or image of the facebook *group*, PM me precisely the right image url and the right text so that i can do it at once, without misunderstanding; thank you.

Are you saying that Nason should have first applied for a research grant at mainstream organizations?

If he is in a research environment or can be, i think he could. What do other people doing research think?

Edited by AgeVivo, 09 August 2009 - 10:05 PM.


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Posted 09 August 2009 - 11:02 PM

If anyone can think of anyone else who has a blog or news service, please list them here and we can contact them.


Max More
Aschwin and Chana de Wolf
CryoNet
The Cold Filter
Jamais Cascio and others at IEET

Edited by lunarsolarpower, 09 August 2009 - 11:06 PM.


#80 Florin Clapa

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Posted 09 August 2009 - 11:29 PM

[quote name='AgeVivo' post='340275' date='Aug 9 2009, 02:53 PM'][quote name='Florin Clapa' post='340264' date='Aug 9 2009, 09:53 PM']I never said that I wanted a Facebook group for this project; that was your idea (...) There's no need to have a Facebook group for this project.[/quote]
oh. perhaps i misunderstood. I received this PM from you (doesn't seem confidential):
[quote]Since you seem to be doing a good job at linking Live Aid on Facebook groups and causes, would you be interested in doing the same for the Laser Ablation of Lipofuscin project? If you're interested, you might want to use the red laser image with the links (I can crop it out of Imminst's larger image if you need me to[/quote]
i then tried to help but appearently not, sorry: each time i did somthg you told me to redo things differently ;-) That's why i'm proposing that you handle facebook[/quote]
It seems you misunderstand my PM. While it might make sense to create a group for Live Aid since the content is just informational, I didn't think you'd create one for this project since there's no way to donate directly from a group page.

Anyway, I'll see if I can find the time to post links to the project page on the rest of the relevant Facebook groups and causes.

[quote name='AgeVivo' post='340275' date='Aug 9 2009, 02:53 PM'][quote name='Florin Clapa' post='340264' date='Aug 9 2009, 09:53 PM']Are you saying that Nason should have first applied for a research grant at mainstream organizations?[/quote]If he is in a research environment or can be, i think he could. What do other people doing research think?
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I agree; we should know whether or not he applied for a grant at mainstream orgs. Anyone know?

#81 Florin Clapa

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 06:49 AM

I agree; we should know whether or not he applied for a grant at mainstream orgs. Anyone know?


To answer my own question, Nason has stated that this wouldn't be a good idea from an IP standpoint.

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 07:22 AM

Any chance on an update of the total? It's still only listing the funds as of last Friday.

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 05:18 PM

Any chance on an update of the total? It's still only listing the funds as of last Friday.


Well, I can say it will be at least $100 higher now :-)

#84 Mind

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 06:04 PM

Total as of midday Tuesday August 11th: $3238.53

This is what has settled into the Imminst bank account. There is a few hundred more waiting to settle. I don't count donations as they come into google checkout because a few of them get rejected for various reasons.

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 06:20 PM

If the 30 for 30 is successful, I project we will have over $5,000 in donations by the end of Friday. End of fundraising is Monday the 17th (end of the day), then we will put Nason to work and we will find out some very interesting things about lipofuscin and aging.

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 10:48 PM

Heres Nason Schooler presenting on this.

Unfocused Pulsed Lasers Selectively Destroy Lipofuscin - Using An Established Technique To Repeatedly Postpone Aging from Jeriaska on Vimeo.


Edited by brokenportal, 12 August 2009 - 08:17 AM.


#87 Florin Clapa

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 11:32 PM

After I posted the following to a few Facebook groups on their Discussion Board, Wall, and Links section:

New funding initiative against aging: Laser Research Grant

The Immortality Institute has a new initiative funding the SENS Foundation in its fight against aging. The Institute will match every contribution up to $8,000 until August 17th for the study of laser ablation of lipofuscin—research that will be conducted by Nason Schooler at the SENS Foundation Research Center. Learn more about this initiative at http://www.imminst.o...-research-grant.

I got the following warning from Facebook:

Warning! Your account could be disabled.

You are using this feature to spam other users. Continued misuse of Facebook's features will result in your account being disabled. If you have any questions or concerns, you can visit our FAQ page.

So, someone might want to take over from me and post the announcement in groups and causes that doesn't have it yet.

Edited by Florin Clapa, 11 August 2009 - 11:37 PM.


#88 Ben Simon

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Posted 12 August 2009 - 12:16 AM

After I posted the following to a few Facebook groups on their Discussion Board, Wall, and Links section:

New funding initiative against aging: Laser Research Grant

The Immortality Institute has a new initiative funding the SENS Foundation in its fight against aging. The Institute will match every contribution up to $8,000 until August 17th for the study of laser ablation of lipofuscin—research that will be conducted by Nason Schooler at the SENS Foundation Research Center. Learn more about this initiative at http://www.imminst.o...-research-grant.

I got the following warning from Facebook:

Warning! Your account could be disabled.

You are using this feature to spam other users. Continued misuse of Facebook's features will result in your account being disabled. If you have any questions or concerns, you can visit our FAQ page.

So, someone might want to take over from me and post the announcement in groups and causes that doesn't have it yet.


The hell?

Where did you post it? Presumably someone had to dob you in for spamming right?

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Posted 12 August 2009 - 02:13 AM

After I posted the following to a few Facebook groups on their Discussion Board, Wall, and Links section:

New funding initiative against aging: Laser Research Grant

The Immortality Institute has a new initiative funding the SENS Foundation in its fight against aging. The Institute will match every contribution up to $8,000 until August 17th for the study of laser ablation of lipofuscin—research that will be conducted by Nason Schooler at the SENS Foundation Research Center. Learn more about this initiative at http://www.imminst.o...-research-grant.

I got the following warning from Facebook:

Warning! Your account could be disabled.

You are using this feature to spam other users. Continued misuse of Facebook's features will result in your account being disabled. If you have any questions or concerns, you can visit our FAQ page.

So, someone might want to take over from me and post the announcement in groups and causes that doesn't have it yet.


The hell?

Where did you post it? Presumably someone had to dob you in for spamming right?


I posted the announcement in the following groups:

It's possible that Facebook has some sort of automatic spam detection feature that flags a message as spam if you post the same message to multiple groups in a very short period of time. It might be safer to wait one hour or so before posting identical messages.

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Posted 12 August 2009 - 04:22 AM

It's possible that Facebook has some sort of automatic spam detection feature that flags a message as spam if you post the same message to multiple groups in a very short period of time. It might be safer to wait one hour or so before posting identical messages.


Ah, well that's okay then. I thought it might have been a pro aging saboteur.





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