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[drus]

Have you seen the new Zeitgeist documentary? What similar documentaries have you seen? What are your thoughts?

[Esoparagon]

The movies raise real problems with the current economic system and they explain the true reality that wealth is practically unlimited if the earth is utilized correctly but they are unfortunately so economically illiterate that they draw wild, ridiculous, outlandish conclusions blaming the wrong things for the problems and they propose the implementation of a completely irrational and impossible economic system. Essentially they have re-packaged Marxism and Communism with an alluring sounding appeal to scientific socialism utilizing robots and computers. What surprises me more is that practically everyone who watches the movies is falling for the same nonsense again. The viability of centrally planned economies has been dis-proven in theory and failed in practice. The audacity of the Venus Project to not even address such simple issues as the problem of economic calculation is a testament to the ignorance of the people they are presenting it to and probably of the advocates themselves as well. They are so spectacularly economically illiterate as to make the oldest fallacy in the economic book: the broken window fallacy.

Edited by Esoparagon, 17 April 2011 - 02:03 PM.

[JLL]

Esoparagon, on 17 April 2011 - 02:00 PM, said:

The movies raise real problems with the current economic system and they explain the true reality that wealth is practically unlimited if the earth is utilized correctly but they are unfortunately so economically illiterate that they draw wild, ridiculous, outlandish conclusions blaming the wrong things for the problems and they propose the implementation of a completely irrational and impossible economic system. Essentially they have re-packaged Marxism and Communism with an alluring sounding appeal to scientific socialism utilizing robots and computers. What surprises me more is that practically everyone who watches the movies is falling for the same nonsense again. The viability of centrally planned economies has been dis-proven in theory and failed in practice. The audacity of the Venus Project to not even address such simple issues as the problem of economic calculation is a testament to the ignorance of the people they are presenting it to and probably of the advocates themselves as well. They are so spectacularly economically illiterate as to make the oldest fallacy in the economic book: the broken window fallacy.

What this guy said.

[chris w]

I only watched the part about religion and thought the other bits won't be worth watching, the number of factual mistakes is so high, it's not even funny. Like in the actual Egyptian myth Horus is born from Isis doing a blowjob on Osiris' carcass, hardly "virginal" in my book, and that's just one innacuracy out of many.

Besides, everybody who's into all the 9/11 theories has to explain how people with means to pull off a thing like that, were at the same time unable to plant some WMD's in Iraq in the next move, in order to unambigiously justify the invasion. Not to mention that babbling about grand scale conspiracies is a motivation killer and breeds political disengagement, not much one can do if reptilians from space or what have you are pulling all the strings.

This thing needs to die.

Edited by chris w, 17 April 2011 - 10:02 PM.

[Ark]

Just look at the Georgia stones, same fucks built that who tore down the twin towers and building 7.


http://en.wikipedia....gia_Guidestones

[chris w]

Ark, on 17 April 2011 - 11:53 PM, said:

Just look at the Georgia stones, same fucks built that who tore down the twin towers and building 7.


http://en.wikipedia....gia_Guidestones

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Researcher Van Smith claims to have uncovered numerological messages encoded within the proportions of the various Georgia Guidestones components that link the monument to the Burj Khalifa, the tallest building in the world which opened in Dubai over thirty years after the Georgia Guidestones were designed. Smith presents evidence demonstrating that the opening date of the tower, the death of Dubai's emir, Sheik Maktoum bin Rashid al Maktoum, and the exact height of the Burj Khalifa can all be deduced directly from the proportions of the granite slabs

LOL, That's the Adam West Mystery Solving Method (3:20 onward)

[Alex Libman]

It is total BS, and parts of it that aren't BS are only meant to appetize you to swallowing more BS later in the movie.

I'm an atheist on religion and an agnostic (aka Truther) on plausible government conspiracies, which is how the first movie got my attention.  The debunking of Christianity is nothing new, and actually I've heard many of those things growing up in the Soviet Union.  (It still manages to get a few facts wrong, BTW, but the overall gist of that segment is perfectly valid.)  The 9/11 segment was about as bad as most amateur documentaries made on this issue - spinning the "bombs in the buildings" theory, for which there is no hard evidence, while completely overlooking less sensationalist but more serious government complicity.  I'd give those two segments the grades of B- and a D for effort, respectively.  

The rest is nothing but economically retarded socialist crap.  The same applies to the second and third movies, with the exception of their criticism of the fiat currency monopoly, which is the very antithesis of free market capitalism.

Edited by Alex Libman, 22 May 2011 - 09:56 PM.

[hivemind]

The economic hitman interview was interesting.

[hooter]

It's complete and utter BS and actually subtracts credibility from related issues and things that seem to be a 'conspiracy' but have enough rational evidence to support them.

Thanks to Zeitgeist and all these 911 truthers, people won't even believe me when I tell people that Obama has the power to have the military detain absolutely anyone for no reason whatsoever. Obama signed a bill to allow this and wrote his own personal statement promising 'not to exercise this power' because he's a good president and people still think it's a conspiracy theory.

The Patriot Act has been used for thousands of drug busts, hundreds of frauds and only 15 'terrorism threats'.

I'm really sick of this meaningless conspiracy shit. It's all just to make some punk kid think he's in possession of superior knowledge in comparison to the guy sitting next to him. Who cares even if Bush did 9/11, who gives a flying fecal expulsion if there were bombs? The country is still being anally desecrated and harder than ever before.

If these people were really interested in accomplishing or learning something they would deal with the issues at hand. They need to be spoonfed some realism. You're destroying your own position.

Let's venture into the realm of the supernatural and assume that the truthers are right. Let's say Bush really did 9/11. You are still making yourself into asinine fools and draining your own credibility into the toilet.  

Deal with the raw data instead of assuming everything baby's first internet documentary says is true.

Edited by hooter, 14 January 2012 - 10:12 PM.

[hivemind]

Esoparagon, on 17 April 2011 - 02:00 PM, said:

The viability of centrally planned economies has been dis-proven in theory and failed in practice.

How do you disprove the viability of planned economy in theory?

[Lufega]

The fact that a single person (a musician) with limited funds, put together all the research, graphics, editing, music and still managed to get it noticed...is all pretty impressive.  Even if it has a few factual errors.  How many of you can write a single thread on Longecity with no errors while really claiming to know what the heck you're talking about ?

Edited by Lufega, 15 January 2012 - 01:01 AM.

[niner]

Lufega, on 15 January 2012 - 12:52 AM, said:

The fact that a single person (a musician) with limited funds, put together all the research, graphics, editing, music and still managed to get it noticed...is all pretty impressive.  Even if it has a few factual errors.  How many of you can write a single thread on Longecity with no errors while really claiming to know what the heck you're talking about ?

It's not a matter of one or a few errors, it sounds like the errors are fundamental and rampant.  In the Internet age, it isn't that hard to get noticed, and it doesn't take much money.  For a computer-literate musician to put together a video with music isn't that big of a deal, the tough part is the information it contains and the message it presents.

[hooter]

Few factual errors? you mean the entire thing

[Lufega]

hooter, on 15 January 2012 - 01:19 AM, said:

Few factual errors? you mean the entire thing

Can you be more specific ?  Which part was wrong ?  Religion ?  911?  Federal Reserve?  Or that they want to microchip everyone ?

[Ark]

I'm going to be fair and say there are plenty of reasons to want to know what's behind the red tape and who's really in control.  

To dismiss 9/11 so easy is to be blinded , by thinking these people play by the rules of normal men.

[hooter]

Lufega, on 15 January 2012 - 01:28 AM, said:

hooter, on 15 January 2012 - 01:19 AM, said:

Few factual errors? you mean the entire thing

Can you be more specific ?  Which part was wrong ?  Religion ?  911?  Federal Reserve?  Or that they want to microchip everyone ?

Part 1 for example is based entirely on half-facts and unreliable sources. The entire thing falls apart from start to finish. I don't think the rest is warranted with viewing.

[dimasok]

What exactly is wrong with an RBE? Transhumanism NECESSITATES an RBE if any of it is to become reality or maybe you think that transhumanism can happen within capitalism? Yeah, right! It's pretty embarrassing how forward-looking people like yourselves can't see the absolute inevitability of a post-scarcity society. Capitalism must DIE.

Edited by dimasok, 22 December 2012 - 06:43 AM.