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Best approach to dealing with the current state of society


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#1 TheFountain

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Posted 03 August 2011 - 06:43 AM


Let's discuss the best philosophical and prospective approach to the dealing with the current shortcomings of the human race and the society which arises from it.

Every day we are faced with catastrophes of every kind. Violence, hunger, victimization, incrimination, abuse of authority, corruption and an assortment of other external co-factors.


It seems to me that people tend to allow themselves to be jerked to and fro in the midst of this species chaos storm. No concern seems to be given to where it leads them, which might be why it often leads them no where.

Now to separate the 'us' from the 'them'. the purpose for this is to exercise the action of free will, in an attempt to change the values and conclusions of this society we are based in.

I want to share what, in my humble opinion, is the absolute best philosophical approach to this dilemma, not only for people like us, but for people in general. This is an invitation of course for you to do the same.

I propose the best approach is that of PD ouspensky, as outlined in his short book entitled 'the psychology of mans possible evolution'.

In this book Ouspensky describes, in great profundity, the sheer arrogance of the human race. How we assign ourselves attributes that we don't actually possess. We think we 'know' when in fact we know so little.

We think we are one united 'I' when in fact we are many divided I's in constant internal turmoil, trying to piece ourselves together from moment to moment, which only serves to make us indecisive and powerless.

He speaks of this tendency for most humans to approach society from the imaginative perspective, that is, this notion of what 'I am' as opposed to the truth, which is that we simple do not know.

Furthermore he calculates that the admittance of this fact (that is, that we know nothing) is the only way we will advance forward. He also proclaims that despite our vast knowledge in sciences this is not really 'knowing' but a mere trickle of what it means to truly know.

He describes 4 states of consciousness.

1-Man as he is now, completely asleep and dreaming (most men, that is). Unaware of himself, thinking he has what he does not have (that is, dreaming and pretending, self lying etc).

2-Man as he could be if he observed himself from moment to moment and admitted to his lack of knowledge (which he called waking sleep, which some of us pass through at variable intervals). This is difficult to hold on to, but the more practice, the better the outcome

3-Objective knowledge, which means to know from the objective standpoint, without letting personal fancy get in the way of what is true (very scientific approach).

4-Unity knowledge, which he describes as 'nearly' impossible, but which strongly involves objective knowledge and its myriad actions and consequences.

He states that in order to continue on with the further evolution of our species it is of the utmost importance that each of us 'observes' ourselves and our effects. Thus catching ourselves in our own lies.

From this we leave the dream state and enter the state of 'waking sleep', which is where we have those glimpses of wakefulness which we can capture but not quite hold on to. It is the objective state which, further on, allows us to hold on to them.

He also divides human activity into 4 basic functions

1-Thinking function
2-Moving function
3-instinctive function
4-emotion function

And also describes the interrelationship between these various functions, and also the very important separate aspects of them (that is, where they must remain separated from one another.

He describes man as a 'broken machine'. A machine that needs repair. This analogy suits how he divides everything by category.

In summary, Ouspensky's outline of the prospective human race is rooted in work. That is, working to know, working to become less dreamful, more wakeful and eventually in an (almost) complete objective state of awareness.

The first purpose to me would seem to stop allowing the actions of others to dictate our own actions/reactions. The second would be to allow us the opportunity to cooperate from the disposition of this 'objective' state, to further augment our species.

Thoughts? Reflections? Other ideas of what is best for our society?

Remember, society is based on a philosophy. A thought happened and then a society emerged. How can we save ourselves from imminent catastrophe?

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Posted 06 August 2011 - 02:56 AM

"If, for example, good meant intelligent, and virtue meant wisdom; if men could be taught to see clearly their real interests, to see afar the distant results of their deeds, to criticize and coordinate desires out of self-canceling chaos into purposive and creative harmony - this, perhaps, would provide for the educated and sophisticated man the morality which in the unlettered relies on re-iterated precepts and external control." Will Durant, The Story of Philosophy (1926)


The matter is extremely complex, and I'd rather not cover it all without good company. Suffice to say, the mind must be understood and controlled by it's owner for it to produce logical thought intentionally and consistently. Our society is far from this due to a number of matters. Prime of which is the readily available option of decadence. Their whole lives unchallenged, they never mature. Eventually becoming cowards, covering up the awareness of their faults with delusion.

Simple solution, make it easy for them to become good people.

#3 TheFountain

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Posted 06 August 2011 - 07:58 PM

How could we make it easy for them to become good people without introducing the threat of forging a brand new imaginary thought schematic?

In a world that fancies external virtue so much, self control and self observation are inherently difficult. The imaginary world starts 'out there' paradoxically. Because nobody sees 'out there' the same way, thus objectivity eludes us.

Therefore the plight of eliminating self lies must be a difficult one. Admitting its difficulty is the first step toward dealing with it. Thinking it is easy is yet, another self lie that will forge many more obstacles.

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#4 robomoon

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Posted 22 August 2011 - 11:24 AM

Science Needs a New Planet

Regarding the abuse of authority, this philosophy came in handy with blog comments at http://lifeboat.com/blog to articles about dangerous experiments in particle physics. There might be already some uncharged matter created by one particle acceleration experiment that will kill all humankind and other mammals after decades of technically undetectable subatomic changes inside planet Earth. We are aware about the risk that humankind has already lost any chance for survival if the event has taken place.

At first, nobody but only a very few independent Professors were able to keep arguing with particle physicists. In any case, physicists have proved their very dependency on theories by Schwarzschild and Hawking for every mathematical calculation regarding the risk. No graduate in physics is allowed to think outside and different from the physics belief system that the great majority of all those very dependent faculty members has acquired from Schwarzschild and Hawking.

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Most blog readers only believed all physicists were always right and never wrong about any anticipation of danger for all the experiments made. So here is the scientific method to make most readers believe physicists are always right in this world: let the majority of the most intelligent University students in natural science always study physics. So they acquire most of all the knowledge about any smaller detail of matter in any Universe and defend their theories with intellectual skill like all the greatest mathematicians. Through competition between physics and mathematics they are letting them learn to dominate and change the whole world.

Physicists have learned so decently to make all powerful governments not only succumb to their will of running the most dangerous experiments, but also to submit greatest financial funding to their dangerous laboratories til the end. Life on the old planet has nearly worn out. So the misuse of mathematics providing physicists with the greatest authority over nearly any other scientist happened to be too much and psychology science not enough.

This article is in the public domain, nothing dominates a genius.




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