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Posted 18 February 2012 - 10:03 PM
Disagree strongly on the idea that Huxley beat out Orwell. I mean this is an idea that is revisited time and time again but its just not the case that it is so black and white. Take for instance the NDAA that was recently signed by Obama. That is not a case of diversion or "amusing ourselves to death" but a clear case of codifying oppression by violent and physical means. Anyone paying attention to the Occupy movements will notice that the protestors are not drugged into a massive orgy but physically beaten, imprisoned, harassed etc.
On the topic of truth - where do most of you get your news from? The big corporate agenda-setting media establishments:
http://www.freepress...ship/chart/main
So what kind of news do you get? Talk about the farcical presidential elections, irrelevant news about shopping holidays and vacation spots. How many Americans do you think actually know understand what American foreign and domestic policy is like, about how America is actually perceived by the international community? The truth is most certainly obscured from the majority of Americans - you can go back as far as the Puritan settlements that massacred the native population which had developed over 2000 languages and a rich and just culture over its history, and compare that fact with what history textbooks say, or the fact that there is a "Columbus Day" holiday; you can go as recently to developments in Iran, or issues concerning Israel, which is most certainly a terrorist state, and incidentally, a state whose security obama says he is "committed" to. Fact - israel has between 200-400 nuclear weapons. Fact - The only reason Iran has any nuclear technology is because after the military coup sponsored by the US in 1953 that overthrew the democratically elected Dr. Mossadegh, the US decided to equip their client ruler - the Shah - with nuclear technology. But who cares about facts anymore? American presidential debates are just slogan-dense rhetoric and demagogic flourishes. Anyone who takes these kinds of things seriously does so because he or she has no idea how participatory democracy (i.e., where you don't just elect someone oyu expect to act out policies in your interests, but take an active role in actually ensuring these policies are passed) works, and that is a matter of the truth being obfuscated. That Americans seem to have a severe case of "collective amnesia" is a matter, again, of the truth being obscured, and in most cases, twisted to fit the interests of the ruling minority that are advanced on a foundation of pure sophistry.
We can look at media coverage of the Indonesian invasion of East Timor in 1975, which was 100% supported by the USA. When they were running out of ammunition, the Carter administration actually stepped up military aid. How many people were aware of this? Compare the media coverage of this with the media coverage for Pol Pot and hte massacres by the Khmer Rouge. What's the difference? The state that supports injustice and violence in the world is not going to broadcast their crimes to their own population, who would most certainly resist such structures from continuing to do so, but for the enemies of that state, the population can recite the crimes they commit ad infinitum.
Contemporary thought control, or propaganda, is unequivocally an amalgam of the methods espoused by these two authors in their respective works.
On the topic of truth - where do most of you get your news from? The big corporate agenda-setting media establishments:
http://www.freepress...ship/chart/main
So what kind of news do you get? Talk about the farcical presidential elections, irrelevant news about shopping holidays and vacation spots. How many Americans do you think actually know understand what American foreign and domestic policy is like, about how America is actually perceived by the international community? The truth is most certainly obscured from the majority of Americans - you can go back as far as the Puritan settlements that massacred the native population which had developed over 2000 languages and a rich and just culture over its history, and compare that fact with what history textbooks say, or the fact that there is a "Columbus Day" holiday; you can go as recently to developments in Iran, or issues concerning Israel, which is most certainly a terrorist state, and incidentally, a state whose security obama says he is "committed" to. Fact - israel has between 200-400 nuclear weapons. Fact - The only reason Iran has any nuclear technology is because after the military coup sponsored by the US in 1953 that overthrew the democratically elected Dr. Mossadegh, the US decided to equip their client ruler - the Shah - with nuclear technology. But who cares about facts anymore? American presidential debates are just slogan-dense rhetoric and demagogic flourishes. Anyone who takes these kinds of things seriously does so because he or she has no idea how participatory democracy (i.e., where you don't just elect someone oyu expect to act out policies in your interests, but take an active role in actually ensuring these policies are passed) works, and that is a matter of the truth being obfuscated. That Americans seem to have a severe case of "collective amnesia" is a matter, again, of the truth being obscured, and in most cases, twisted to fit the interests of the ruling minority that are advanced on a foundation of pure sophistry.
We can look at media coverage of the Indonesian invasion of East Timor in 1975, which was 100% supported by the USA. When they were running out of ammunition, the Carter administration actually stepped up military aid. How many people were aware of this? Compare the media coverage of this with the media coverage for Pol Pot and hte massacres by the Khmer Rouge. What's the difference? The state that supports injustice and violence in the world is not going to broadcast their crimes to their own population, who would most certainly resist such structures from continuing to do so, but for the enemies of that state, the population can recite the crimes they commit ad infinitum.
Contemporary thought control, or propaganda, is unequivocally an amalgam of the methods espoused by these two authors in their respective works.
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