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[Snoopy]

In other words - I've not heard of any wild adventurers, or individuals with scintillating backgrounds or life stories. They all seem to have comitted to a simple no frills village life... ? Is there a pattern?

[churchill]

Yes they are all incredibly lucky.

[prophets]

they don't have to deal with trolls on the internets.  leads to a less stressful life and greater longevity.

[churchill]

prophets, on 23 April 2012 - 03:47 PM, said:

they don't have to deal with trolls on the internets.  leads to a less stressful life and greater longevity.

According to the whitehall study to is not necessarily that stress will shorten your life only stress when you feel like you have no control over it e.g. when it comes from your boss.

[Luminosity]

I've said that myself, Snoopy.  I agree.  They are a certain type of person which is not the type of person who is here.

[churchill]

Luminosity, on 25 April 2012 - 05:45 AM, said:

I've said that myself, Snoopy.  I agree.  They are a certain type of person which is not the type of person who is here.

I think there are so many variables in play that in practice studying centenarians does not get you very far as basically they just been very lucky.
If you look at http://en.wikipedia....h_and_lifestyle the oldest person ever to have lived, she smoked continually, does that mean we should all take up smoking?

[Luminosity]

I don't recall suggesting that.  I just observed that all the known centenarians have certain lives, lifestyles and personality traits which are not those displayed here.  I would suggest people think about how these people live.  I don't think most of them have smoked but most are very simple, down to earth people who.  Their lives have tended to be simple.  They have tended to be moderate or not purists about diet and lifestyle.  Few or none are vegetarians.  Most believe in God.  So that is something to think about.  There are many common characteristics of centenarians so to dismiss that is illogical.  Even of those who remain active and independent into advanced old age there are common characteristics.  They aren't necessarily the ones who are out running marathons and doing extreme regimens.  They also seem to be moderate and not exercise that much, but they are active.  They have good temperaments and do not bear a lot of ill will.  They seem to get along with people, etc.  I'm not that type of person but I have noticed the pattern.  And of course, in general, women live significantly longer than men in almost every culture.  Women are generally more in touch with their emotions, bodies and physical reality.  They generally express themselves more than men do.  So that also is something to think about.  It is illogical to think you can live longer while disregarding the habits of those who do.

Edited by Luminosity, 02 May 2012 - 04:42 AM.

[churchill]

Luminosity, on 02 May 2012 - 04:36 AM, said:

I don't recall suggesting that.  I just observed that all the known centenarians have certain lives, lifestyles and personality traits which are not those displayed here.  I would suggest people think about how these people live.  I don't think most of them have smoked but most are very simple, down to earth people who.  Their lives have tended to be simple.  They have tended to be moderate or not purists about diet and lifestyle.  Few or none are vegetarians.  Most believe in God.  So that is something to think about.  There are many common characteristics of centenarians so to dismiss that is illogical.  Even of those who remain active and independent into advanced old age there are common characteristics.  They aren't necessarily the ones who are out running marathons and doing extreme regimens.  They also seem to be moderate and not exercise that much, but they are active.  They have good temperaments and do not bear a lot of ill will.  They seem to get along with people, etc.  I'm not that type of person but I have noticed the pattern.  And of course, in general, women live significantly longer than men in almost every culture.  Women are generally more in touch with their emotions, bodies and physical reality.  They generally express themselves more than men do.  So that also is something to think about.  It is illogical to think you can live longer while disregarding the habits of those who do.

Unfortunately you are relying on anecdotal evidence for all of this so there is no evidence of anything in anything you have written, it is all conjecture until you come up with something more concrete.

For one example life span has not been proven to to correlate with a belief in god, in practice though this is a very hard one to prove or disprove as it conflates with so many other socio economic factors.

I agree though that many people here because they interested in supplements and not life extension.

[hippocampus]

Women may live longer on average just because men do more hard physical work and are more prune to accidents ...

[churchill]

hippocampus, on 02 May 2012 - 01:57 PM, said:

Women may live longer on average just because men do more hard physical work and are more prune to accidents ...

Prunes... the silent killer.

I think men tend to take more risks, rather than being prone to accidents, looking at car deaths for example they are heavily skewed with men dying more than women.

[Luminosity]

There's plenty of media accounts of centenarians but I guess they don't fit your theories so you are discounting them.  Plenty of women work hard, and bear children.  Many women in third world countries have to haul all their firewood and water, etc.  Waitresses and nurses are on their feet eight hours a day and nurses have to lift patients.  At the age when most people in the first world die, hard physical labor and risk taking has largely ceased.  What's all the conjecture and denying about anyway? There's been plenty of research into this subject.  Try studying.

[churchill]

Luminosity, on 06 May 2012 - 02:46 AM, said:

There's plenty of media accounts of centenarians but I guess they don't fit your theories so you are discounting them.  Plenty of women work hard, and bear children.  Many women in third world countries have to haul all their firewood and water, etc.  Waitresses and nurses are on their feet eight hours a day and nurses have to lift patients.  At the age when most people in the first world die, hard physical labor and risk taking has largely ceased.  What's all the conjecture and denying about anyway? There's been plenty of research into this subject.  Try studying.

Feel free to come up with credible non anecdotal evidence about how living a simple village life gets you to 100.

If you want to presume that you are an expert in this then feel free to list all the reason why I should take your statements on faith.

Edited by churchill, 06 May 2012 - 07:19 AM.

[Snoopy]

@churchill.

It's just common sense. Compare routinely walking in a field of fresh air against stressing in a traffic jam or shopping Q. Compare buying locally grown fresh food in the village to buying older, shipped, mass produced food mostly available in urban areas. Then you have the social aspect, have you tried having a laugh with someone working in the checkout in the city? In my local village we always crack a joke at the checkout.

[churchill]

Snoopy, on 10 May 2012 - 10:31 AM, said:

@churchill.

It's just common sense. Compare routinely walking in a field of fresh air against stressing in a traffic jam or shopping Q. Compare buying locally grown fresh food in the village to buying older, shipped, mass produced food mostly available in urban areas. Then you have the social aspect, have you tried having a laugh with someone working in the checkout in the city? In my local village we always crack a joke at the checkout.

@Snoopy

Common sense tells you that the world is flat, common sense can easily misguide you, that is why we spend billions on medical studies. Common sense can be blinded by cognitive bias. The last village I went to they were not very friendly, but then again I I was not from the village, and I have shared a joke or two with a check out person in our local supermarket in the centre of London so I guess your evidence is anecdotal and so is mine and is of little worth.

[Snoopy]

How old are you if you don't mind me asking? I am guessing you are young and require a few more years experience.........

[churchill]

Snoopy, on 14 May 2012 - 09:24 AM, said:

How old are you if you don't mind me asking? I am guessing you are young and require a few more years experience.........

You want to attack me rather than my argument? That is pretty weak. Older does not necessarily equal wiser you should hopefully be aware of that. If you are trying to win your argument by saying that you are older and have more life experience you will be sadly dissapointed, if you actually want to come up with credible evidence then I am open to listen to you.

[Snoopy]

I merely asked how old you are. Good luck with your longevity program especially if you put a negative slant on every interaction you have.

[churchill]

Snoopy, on 17 May 2012 - 04:22 PM, said:

I merely asked how old you are. Good luck with your longevity program especially if you put a negative slant on every interaction you have.

I would give you the benefit of the doubt if you had not written "I am guessing you are young and require a few more years experience.........", you were not meerly asking anything you were attempting to win your argument by appealing to your age.

I am negative with you because you dissapoint me. My longevity program is going pretty well thanks for asking, better than yours of that I have no doubt, given your attitude.

[cheezeweezel]

I know two people who probably aren't going to live to 100.

[churchill]

cheezeweezel, on 18 May 2012 - 11:35 AM, said:

I know two people who probably aren't going to live to 100.

I know about 7 billion at the current rate of scientific progress.

[Snoopy]

Maybe we got off on the wrong foot. Churchill you seem sharp, I like that.

As a gesture I'd like to invite you to cririque my regimen in the regimen section - 10 years of refining....

Hand shake from here.

[churchill]

Snoopy, on 18 May 2012 - 06:02 PM, said:

Maybe we got off on the wrong foot. Churchill you seem sharp, I like that.

As a gesture I'd like to invite you to cririque my regimen in the regimen section - 10 years of refining....

Hand shake from here.

If your regime is to accomplish life extension then my view is that there are no supplements or potions on the market today which can do this (the one exemption is Vitamin D supplementation if you do not get enough sun). It comes down to not smoking, eating a varied diet, getting some exercise. Basically the only thing that saves us is properly directed life extension research.

If your regime is due to quality of life issues, then firstly I would need to know what the quality of life issues you are suffering from.

[Snoopy]

I used to think exactly the same thing about most supplements. That is until I started doing further research into antioxidant enzymes, crunching numbers, reading a blog called 'anti aging firewalls', and trying them out to see what the effects are. At the end of the day it's 'all the little things' that compound over time. pcynogenol has countless positive studies and since taking it, have definitely felt a whole lot better mood wise...

My goal is 'continual improvement' every day refining getting better and better.

May I ask what your hypothesis is behind rating vit d highly?