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[Adamzski]

I just come home for the holiday season and hooked up with my ex ex ex gf, who now claims to have suddenly become psychic in the last few months.. she diagnoses peoples problems and is always right apparently.. I half believe her. According to her I have the very start of lung cancer.

Now I am at a high risk anyway, 40cigs a day for 15 years. Two periods of extreme stress and self destructive behaviour like smoking 100 per day and heavy drinking for a month or two in 2010 and 2011. a few months of starvation due to lack of money this year and a few months of heavy drinking/smoking this last year. Im ok! now, Im making a lot of money and not too bad on the drink.

What tests should I get? A chest Xray can be harmful? Should I just get a CT scan or even a full body CT scan?
I want to keep an eye on this being at such a risk so what would be a good way to do that? 2 full body scans a year? more? If money was not too much of a problem then what would you do ?
I have seen that these CT scans 30-50% of the time find things that turn out to not be problems. Is there harm other than some pain in getting biopsies done?

I just came back to sydney for christmas and to to do some business. I came from the -15c of Seoul where the night before I came home blacked out in the snow with no jacket on to the 37c heat of Sydney and got really sick, but not so bad, Im mostly over it now. My first cold in two years and I have never had any kind of chest infection ever and in fact my whole life (im 35) I have never been sick except for a cold every year or so.
I never got sick all winter this year and I froze, was out in colder than -10c weather drinking all night every weekend. I think my lung capacity is OK, I used to be fairly fit, and I know my fitness is at baseline unchanged from any other period when I am not training.

What are the signs of cancer or the things to watch for?
I have coughed more solid flem this time having a cold, that could be coming to the fresh countryside air after spending 9 months in Seoul but maybe just a bit of gunk built up this year that my cold is cleaning out.
Definitely no blood or anything out of the ordinary for a cold.
I have never had a smokers cough ever.

Smoking has to go.
but I posted here Will stopping smoking kill me? A lot of good advice there and really I makes sense that sudden ceasation of smoking can cause problems.


From here http://lungcancer.ab...cancerstats.htm

Smoking is considered the cause of lung cancer in 90% on men, and 80% of women diagnosed with the disease. Men who smoke are 23 times more likely to develop lung cancer than men who do not smoke, and female smokers are 13 times more likely to develop the disease. Even though smoking is the leading cause of lung cancer, the majority of people currently diagnosed with lung cancer do not smoke; 50% of these cancers occur in former smokers, and 15% in those who have never smoked at all.

I accept that smoking really must contribute to lung cancer and as most lung cancers are diagnosed in older people then maybe heart disease or poor lifestyle has killed off many of these smokers before they get a chance to be diagnosed but
From the above statistics 50% of people diagnosed with lung cancer are ex smokers, it is a big number.

and here http://www.davidicke...ad.php?t=213002
The first post is interesting and below it some talk about greece and japans lower lung cancer rates with double the smokers.
http://www.kidon.com...ercentages2.htm
I have been to Japan 4 times over the last year and they smoke hard all of them, like two or three at once, with smoke vending machines in almost every street. They smoke tons of cigs per day as well as being harder drinkers than the USA.
http://www.wcrf.org/...equency.php#MEN it all does not add up...

So should I Smoke e-cigs or quit completely?

sups I am planning to take for prevention and maybe if needed... to control it.


B complex
D3
C
K3
Zinc
resveratrol
Fish oil
IP-6

MB

I want to start taking Arginine AAKG

I have some Proscar here, should I take it to prevent prostate cancer?

What I am taking at the moment
I have not had any C60 in a month but have ordered more. Will take 1.5g per day
Creatine
Multivitamin
Vitamin E

Cheers,

[Dorian Grey]

You might want to punt on the fish oil, and try coconut oil instead...

http://www.second-op...and_cancer.html

"Polyunsaturated Oils Increase Cancer Risk"

Wayne Martin likes to tell a story which suggests just how cancer-causing are PUFs. In 1930 in the USA, eighty percent of men smoked cigarettes and the tar content of cigarettes was much higher than it is today. The death rate at that time from lung cancer was very low. In 1955 doctors decided that PUFs were good in terms of heart disease protection. After this lung cancer deaths increased so dramatically. By 1980 although the number of American men who smoked had dropped to only thirty percent, three times as much PUF was being eaten — and there were sixty times as many lung cancer deaths. ⁽¹¹⁾

In 1990, Martin called Newsholme's Oxford University office but by then Newsholme had retired. Martin spoke to his successor to find that they were still treating autoimmune diseases with PUFs. By then they were using fish oil. The doctor said the reason for the fish oil was that the degree of immunosuppression increased with the degree of unsaturation and fish oil was much more unsaturated than sunflower oil. Martin asked the doctor why they were not talking about PUFs causing cancer. The doctor replied that if he did that he would be run out of Oxford.

Edited by synesthesia, 01 January 2013 - 06:05 PM.

[Dorian Grey]

Also... There's a school of thought that it may be the IRON in tobacco smoke that is the carcinogenic component. I know out of the three forms of asbestos, the form with high iron content is the most carcinogenic, and some speculate it is the iron in asbestos that causes lung cancer. Tobacco smoke also has a lot of iron and this could be one factor in its carcinogenic properties.

Inositol has been shown to dramatically reduce lung cancer rates in smokers and IP6 (a form of inositol) is a powerful iron chelator.

There is some confusion about whether the Inositol they are talking about in these studies is simple inositol, IP6, or a combination of the two, but when I looked into this a while back, I found repeated mention of "IP6 with Inositol". An EXPENSIVE supplement called "Cell Forte" contains IP6 with Inositol at a ratio of about 4 to 1, but you can get them separately and save money.

Some studies state inositol may be dosed at up to 18 grams/day and I assume they are talking about simple inositol and not IP6. I've taken IP6, and anything over 1gm/day of IP6 gives me signs of overchelation (dental sensitivities and low hemoglobin).

Anyway... Here's a starting point for your own research on this.

http://www.naturalne...r_research.html

Inositol May Prevent Lung Cancer in Cigarette Smokers

Thursday, January 22, 2009 by: Barbara L. Minton

Two famous researchers discovered inositol prevents cancer

Dr. Lee Wattenberg, known as the Father of Chemoprevention, searched for several decades starting in the 1970`s to find naturally occurring compounds that could theoretically prevent cancer and then applied scientific methodologies to research his discoveries. After testing several molecules, he found inositol to have great potential. Using various study models he was able to demonstrate that inositol could prevent lung cancer. It had previously been documented that a poor diet increased the chances for cancer to occur, but Dr. Wattenberg was among the first to show that a common nutrient could actually prevent cancer, a truly empowering discovery.

A few years after Dr. Wattenberg, Dr. Abdul Kalam Shamsuddin, known as the Father of IP6 (inositol hexaphosphate), also showed that inositol was able to prevent cancer, demonstrating the preventive value of the compound with colon cancer. Research by Dr. Shamsuddin revealed that inositol affects health in several ways, largely because it is in all human cells and is a major component of cell linings or membranes where it facilitates communication between the various organelles and molecules in a process known as cell signaling.

Learn more: http://www.naturalne...l#ixzz2GkbxQMQC

Edited by synesthesia, 01 January 2013 - 07:03 PM.

[Dorian Grey]

And Finally... Some thoughts on using CT scans to look for lung cancer. Radiation from just one CT is equivalent to the dose you would get from having a chest X-ray once or twice a week, every week for a year! Whole body CT's are absolute madness.

http://www.canadafre...ose-lung-cancer

Eight CT Scans = 4,000 Chest X-rays To Diagnose Lung Cancer?

"One CT scan is the same as saying OK to 500 standard chest X-rays. Those who were followed for eight years by an annual CT scan received the equivalent of 4,000 chest X-rays. So there’s a radiation price to pay for earlier diagnosis, and a reason why there are pros and cons to the use of CT scans."

Edited by synesthesia, 01 January 2013 - 07:45 PM.

[Kevnzworld]

You have to stop smoking completely. I read somewhere, that it takes about ten years for the lungs to clear up after quitting smoking except for any permanent damage ( emphasyma , lung cancer etc ). The sooner you quit , the sooner you can stop worrying.
I would add curcumin to your supplement list, and EGCG from green tea. I would test your vitamin D levels , and though there are differing opinions on this subject, I still believe that the preponderance of evidence supports keeping your levels above 40.
I agree with the dangers of CT scans. A simple chest X-ray should be fine unless there is symptomology .

[Adamzski]

Hi thanks synesthesia, that is all really great information.

I will have just chest xray for now and will look more at the benefits/risks of a CT scan.
From your link http://www.canadafre...ose-lung-cancer
"442 smokers using standard chest x-rays died during the study. Using the CT scan 354 succumbed during the same time." The writer is arguing that these dollars spent to save those 88 smokers were wasted and would of been better spent on smoking prevention...
It seems so far that a CT scan per year can increase my chances of short term survival.

From LEF http://www.lef.org/m...s-X-rays_01.htm
I could minimise my damage from these CT scans.


I will add Curcumin, EGCG, NAC and Coconut oil also. Milk thistle as well.

And Kevnzworld
It really seems from what I have seen that suddenly stopping Nicotine and smoking could be the worst thing I could do. I think going on e-cigs is my best option. Ex smokers seem to be the ones that develop cancer more.
A post here http://www.longecity..._30#entry491146
Suggests using e-cigs to treat cancer.

Its a great idea to test the Vitamin D and all mineral levels.
I will get a hair mineral analysis.
and 23andme.com type DNA analysis.

Does any know the best place to get these?

[Dorian Grey]

Regarding the benefit of short term survival with CT, I see your point. If you truly believe you may have a cancer now and the chest X-ray shows any inconclusive findings (which they often do!), a CT may be indicated. This said... Depending on how old you plan on getting before you die, cumulative X-ray will be a major factor in cancer risk for you down the road. Peace of mind now will cost you with increased risk of exactly what you are worried about now as you age.

Regarding the smoking... I traded the coffin nails for a pipe about 20 years ago, as I quitting simply wasn't going to happen for me when I was younger. Pipe and Cigar smokers have dramatically lower lung cancer risk compared to the ciggie crowd, and about the same life expectancy as non-smokers. Pipe smoking outside the home is difficult, and I've managed to cut back to only one bowl of tobacco in the morning, and a couple of bowls in the evening so my total tobacco use is down without much effort. It really is almost like having your cake and eating it too!

Learning to smoke a pipe was difficult (as are cigars), but if you swear off ciggies for good and allow yourself pipe and/or cigar, you WILL manage to get your tobacco fix this way, and in a few short months, will have crossed over to much healthier tobacco use. The E-Ciggs look interesting, but I'll take real smoke any day. Anything is better than cigarettes! My girlfriend is a non-smoker and hates the smell of cigarettes, but I get no complaints about my pipe. It really is an easy way out of your dilemma short term. Once you get used to smoking a cigar or your pipe only in the evening, making the next step should be a lot easier.

Go out and buy yourself a couple of nice pipes and some "black and gold" tobacco; and a few different kinds of cigars tomorrow... Make sure they are FRESH, and buy only from a tobacconist that gets a lot of traffic. Then pitch the coffin nails in the nearest body of water and swear if you can't smoke a pipe or cigar, you just won't be able to smoke.

Never inhale a big blast from a pipe or cigar as you would a cigarette... You just puff on them and inhale the slipstream a bit in between puffs. Nature will take its course and you soon will learn to enjoy tobacco like you've never enjoyed it before.

Most all pipe and cigar smokers were once ciggie addicts... They crossed over, will live about as long as non-smokers do, and so can you!

Best of Luck to you!

Edited by synesthesia, 02 January 2013 - 07:23 AM.

[Adamzski]

Yes thanks a lot, good luck to you as well!

Hopefully I can get an all clear from a chest X-Ray. I will get this then take it from there.
Pipe could be good but Im fine with ecigs, Maybe a bit of pipe each day is better than ecigs even.

[Adamzski]

I went for and got my chest xray results today and all is clear, There are no abnormalities at all. I dont think I need a CT Scan and I will start on a few sups that might ward off cancer along with of course giving up the coffin nails...

[nupi]

So maybe your ex ex ex (or not ex now?) isn't so much psychic as much as highly manipulative about getting you to stop smoking (and successfully so). Either way, a good way to start the year

Edited by nupi, 04 January 2013 - 05:02 PM.

[Adamzski]

haha, I dont believe anyone is psychic.. but she seems to strongly believe she is and says she has never been wrong... still my ex ex ex but a little more xxx again now hehe

I have heard something before that everyone has cancerous cells in there body but just a shock or something can set them off on the path to growing. or that people die of old age before these tiny cancers can reach a critical mass.

[joelcairo]

Imagine telling they have lung cancer based on nothing but psychic energy. That's not just delusional, it's sick. Maybe on some level it's her way of getting you to quit smoking, but I do not approve.

[Adamzski]

Yeah I know, but she really believed it... and who knows... maybe I have a cancer that only a CT scan would show up but at least I know I have maybe a fair while before would be a problem. I think these psychics are all nuts, they could worry someone to death, make them have a heart attck or change the course of someones life for no reason except their own mental illness.
I think subconsciously it was her jealousy feeding her head with the "sign" or voice or whatever allows her to diagnose peoples health....

Is there any relationship between having lung scars and getting cancer? When the radiologist looked at my xray on the computer screen to check it, he looked shocked in some way and made some sound like "oh" lightlhy. This didnt sound good to me... I went to get a coffe waiting to pick up the xray for my GP and really I was not freaking out but from his reaction I was thinking the worst. but it seems that after me telling him of my smoking history he was shocked to see that my lungs looked pretty good. Im not even sure how these scars form, he said I had none.

[Adamzski]

Any of these that could be pro cancer or not a good thing in general?
3 types of Creatine, 3 types of Arginine, Betaine HCL, Taurine, and N-Acetyl-L-Glutamine. They work in combination with a potent blend of Beta-Alanine, Glycerol Monostearate, MCT’s, Citrulline Ethyl Ester Malate, L-Norvaline, Guanidinopropionic Acid, Gynostemma Pentaphyllum, Ornithine Alpha Ketoglutarate, R-Alpha Lipoic Acid, Rutaecarpine, and Glycocyamine.

Im going to get back on this sup

[BarbCat]

haha, I dont believe anyone is psychic..

Oh yes they are.