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[thedarkbobo]

Dear readers,
my current regiment is posted in table below.
As you can see its getting big - I am currently looking forward to:

• drop some of ginseng/gotu kola/astragalus/rhiodola family or get "mix" capsule,
• maybe add fish oil or linseed, should i replace krill oil?
• probably take even less vitamins per week
• getting uridine - powder or ?

Should I do the following things?
Do you think I should drop/take more/less/replace any supplements?
I am open for your suggestions.

My aim:
- lungs/nose - to not have runny nose ever day
- overall health protection help [immunology system, heart]
- brain performance help
- vision improvement if it's possible

Sinucol(acerola+gentian root+mullein flowers+elderberry flower+herb verbena+Andrographis paniculata leaves+linden blossom+rutin) + stinging nettle leaf[swanson, 400mg tablet] seems to work fine in terms of help with my alergy/nose problems - but I am open minded to other supplements that have helped other people with that.
Nice side effect from stinging nettle leaf is really improved hair and skin.

I dont think that there is any miracle capsule for vision improvement - for starters I got a-z vision which is mix of:
[vitamins and minerals]
bilberry extract 200mg
lutein 6 mg
zeaksantin 0,4 mg
- Is it worth at all to replace with higher amounts of the last three ingridients? Any personal opinions are welcome here..eye protection as well improvement is most welcome.




Thank you.

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Edited by thedarkbobo, 23 December 2013 - 08:34 AM.

[thedarkbobo]

I've abandoned strickt schedule above for more "free" solution. Most often taken were: oils, sinucol/stinging, CoQ10, resveratrol, multivit...
Scores[0-5;positive effects;0 none 5 high]
Updates:
- sinucol+stinging nettle leaf is working fine for me so I will keep it.[4]
- I will take 1-2 tablets of ginseng/gotu kola/astragalus/rhiodola per month till I eventually run out of it (2-5 years).[1]
- olive oil and fish(krill) oil are definetly a keeper.[4]
- I can feel the effect of CoQ10+resveratrol.[3-4]
- About sunifiram/huperzine-a [2]- was not taking huper lately, and I think effects of suni diminished a little. It was not so good idea to take it during the day, I will stick to the evenings. Few days ago I took sunifiram and went to bed in the afternoon, as weather was also terrible and I am sometimes sensible to it. I probably should drink some pepsi/coke to stay awake but I prefered to sleep.
No supplement is a replacement for sun exposure and excercies.

Based on reading here and there - ordered Artichoke, vit K(mk-7)&D3, uridine, L-Carnosine, IP6 and ALCAR, so the test with continue. There are few more planned but there is no need to rush.
Waiting for some more info and tests with NAD. Looking forward to supplements benefiting cardio system...vitamin K should help a bit.

[thedarkbobo]

I forgot to mention basic facts. 25(soon26) years old, around 70 KG.

 

Now I put 1 tablet/capsule of supplement into a box for 1 whole week. exceptions: Stinging nettle leaf every 1-3 days, oils - depends on time and I plan to take it with uridine for few days to check how does that work out. No zembrin or forskolin yet

 

Orders received - I've taken vit K(mk-7)&D3, L-Carnosine(swanson 500mg), IP6(swanson 500mg) and ALCAR(doctor's best 500mg) today all within 15minutes, and after some time I got nice kind of blood rush. I had a feeling that my heart could work on 200% load(probably from IP6 and alcar). I also experienced blood rush in head, which was not severe, rather kind of "it's working" experience. 

 

I will take them separately in the next 3 days (l-c,ip6,alcar) to feel each working on their own.

It was also nice to experience effects of artichoke few days earlier. A keeper for me.

[Luminosity]

I like Swanson's black currant extract for eyes.  It has improved my vision.  I take one a day with breakfast.  I take it with a meal containing fat or oil in case it needs fat or oil to be absorbed.  Just in case.  Not familiar with everything you are taking.  Supplement needs vary from person to person.  The brand, and form of the supplement can matter, as well as how you take it.  The ginseng stuff is for energy and brain function?  In Chinese Medicine some people say ginseng is more for people older than you but if you like it .  .  .  .

 

It's hard to tell what your health concerns are and what you are trying to do.  

 

Always having a runny nose can be due to dairy consumption, margarine, or hydrogenated oil.  To some degree too much wheat, sugar, or cold food and drinks can have something to do with it.  You can experiment with reducing those foods and taking them at the right temperature, that is, warm, hot or room temperature, not cold.   Glad the Stinging Nettle helped your hair and skin.  Maybe it's the silica?  If you need to in the future you can just take Stinging Nettle extract.  If it ever interested you, you could also try Solaray Bamboo extract which is an excellent source of organic silica.  I take half a capsule dissolved in little water with breakfast and lunch.   

 

http://www.vitacost....-bamboo-extract

 

I think that the most important thing is to eat a healthy balanced diet, exercise, get fresh air, sleep well, avoid environmental toxins and bad habits, and to have a healthy balanced life.  

Edited by Luminosity, 12 April 2014 - 06:32 AM.

[thedarkbobo]

I started buying sups due to examination session and having to work at the same time, namely leticine, noopept, sunifiram, ginseng, rhiodola and astragalus. It helped some, but main problems were elsewhere. After some time, reading and thinking I tried other course of action, of course I can't test everything at once.

 

In short - my course of actions is to improve quality of life, act according to well researched or experienced by people solutions to:

1. fight alergy/runny nose

2. provide all needed substances for body to function

3. improve immune system (I was half-sick working for like a month few months ago and don't want that back)

4. protect/regenerate/improve brain function+main organs [not so strong heart here]

5. detox self from time to time(for that I have 2 supplements at the moment:

  - one is mix of green tea extract (375mg), saw palmetto (360mg), DIM (300mg), ALA(200mg), Milk thistle extract(105mg), vit C B3 E, Elderberry blossom(60mg), Black current extract (5mg), Selenium (8,3 mcg)

 - 2nd is Enterosgel http://www.enterosgel.eu for more info

6. prevent aging, oxydation damage, cancer to some resonable degree

7. more stamina and +around 3-5 kg of muscles would be good to have, but thats like lowest priority

 

If there is something "game-breaking" and price is ok, I will try it.

I think points 2,4,5 and 6 should also improve vision in some way. It might just have been tired brain. If I can't breathe properly everything else is going to fail. I had alergy tests few years ago twice, there were of course mites on the list, but 2nd test said that I have alergy for apples, bananas etc...which was just funny.

 

I think this topic will change to "human rat - looking for resonable solution for years to come". Won't eat margarine for 2 weeks and see how it goes.

 

Edited by thedarkbobo, 12 April 2014 - 08:11 AM.

[maik2013]

Yes, Krill oil needs to stay in the plan. If you can afford it, it has Omega3, Phosphatidylcholine and Astaxanthin. In general you should apply this to your whole plan and stick with the basics and logical good decisions. For example Rhodiola or Astragalus. I don't know much about these, but i do know that there are much more important and better plants out there. The basics in this area are Ginseng, Ginger, Curcuma, Milk Thistle, maybe Gingko, Broccoli.

Absolute general basics for men are NAC, Vitamin C, Vitamin D, Vitamin E as Tocotrinol, Q10, L-Carnosin, L-Arginine, Taurine, Kreatine, Melatonin, Resveratrol, Zinc, Magnesium, Omega3, Grapeseed extract. For heart protection you should get low dose beta blockers. Sounds strong, but they actually protect the heart.

 

i think overall it's good to change the plan every once in a while. It's just important how you feel and continue to educate oneself about it.

[thedarkbobo]

Yes, Krill oil needs to stay in the plan. If you can afford it, it has Omega3, Phosphatidylcholine and Astaxanthin. In general you should apply this to your whole plan and stick with the basics and logical good decisions. For example Rhodiola or Astragalus. I don't know much about these, but i do know that there are much more important and better plants out there. The basics in this area are Ginseng, Ginger, Curcuma, Milk Thistle, maybe Gingko, Broccoli.

Absolute general basics for men are NAC, Vitamin C, Vitamin D, Vitamin E as Tocotrinol, Q10, L-Carnosin, L-Arginine, Taurine, Kreatine, Melatonin, Resveratrol, Zinc, Magnesium, Omega3, Grapeseed extract. For heart protection you should get low dose beta blockers. Sounds strong, but they actually protect the heart.

 

i think overall it's good to change the plan every once in a while. It's just important how you feel and continue to educate oneself about it.

 

I do have krill oil, vitamin C, D and E (in different form) and Zinc Magnesium in multivitamin, Q10, L-carnosine, taurine(from tea), resveratrol, Grapeseed extract. So I am missing and should think about NAC, L-arginine, Kreatine, Melatonin(but I would have to check if I need it at my age) and probably curcuma.

 

I'm not so sure about the krill oil hype, even though I have good experienced with it. The difference in bioavalibility from link provided is not 48x but it is like 30-40%, maybe due to containting "free EPA/DHA". In that case it's just not cost-effective or resonable.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/21854650

 

"RESULTS:

The highest incorporation of EPA+DHA into plasma PL was provoked by krill oil (mean AUC0-72 h: 80.03 ± 34.71%*h), followed by fish oil rTAG (mean AUC0-72 h: 59.78 ± 36.75%*h) and EE (mean AUC0-72 h: 47.53 ± 38.42%*h). Due to high standard deviation values, there were no significant differences for DHA and the sum of EPA+DHA levels between the three treatments. However, a trend (p = 0.057) was observed for the differences in EPA bioavailability. Statistical pair-wise group comparison's revealed a trend (p = 0.086) between rTAG and krill oil. FA analysis of the supplements showed that the krill oil sample contained 22% of the total EPA amount as free EPA and 21% of the total DHA amount as free DHA, while the two fish oil samples did not contain any free FA."

EE=ethyl-esters

 

So 1 caps of Krill containing [57,5 mg EPA and 27,5 DHA] *1,4

 

lets say 12 GBP for 60 softgels

 

80,5 EPA and 38,5 DHA "effective" (because of 40% bioav. bonus)

 

vs

 

180mg of EPA

120mg of DHA 

 

capsule of fish oil (both Swanson brand)

 

lets say 9 GBP for 150 gels

 

Calculate effective EPA price as PRICE/(Number of capsules*EPA or DHA in MG per capsule) (less is better)

Krill Price

EPA 0,002484

DHA 0,005195  

 

Fish

EPA 0,000333

DHA 0,0005

 

 Price ratio (how many times it would be cheaper to buy fish oil than krill oil with the assumptions above.)

EPA 7,453416

DHA 10,38961

 

Of course krill contains Astaxanthin, but wiki: "Astaxanthin is found in microalgae, yeast, salmon, trout, krill, shrimp, crayfish, crustaceans, and the feathers of some birds."

 

Also seeing 25 MCG on the krill supplement I have is funny, if you take a look at ebay with "Astaxanthin" search, you can see sups with 4-12 MG per dose (thats err at least 150-400 times more). 1 mg = 1000 mcg right ?

Edited by thedarkbobo, 12 April 2014 - 11:22 AM.

[Luminosity]

Think about your sugar and caffeine consumption.  Cutting that out would help you to maintain optimal health over your life.  Over time, black tea will often stain teeth.  Bleaching teeth probably weakens them and makes them more subject to future stains.  If you bleach clothes it make them weaker, either with chlorine or hydrogen peroxide, which is what they bleach teeth with.  

 

Balance is important in life.  Taking enough time to rest, get outdoors, exercise and eat properly will strengthen your health.  The better nourished you are, the better you can prevent aging.  Sleep and rest are the body's repair time.  No matter how many pills you take, they can't make up for the basics of good health in the long run.  

 

I think you have a good chance of getting rid of the runny nose. Good luck.  

[maik2013]

Krill oil also contains Phospholipids and the Omega3 acids are in them, which could/should make them more bioavailable.

But it's true fish oil is cheaper. I have also read about a study that 2g is the best dose and that flaxseed oil does a good job in raising EPA/DHA levels as well. I can't stand fish oil, because i get allergic reactions, maybe there is histamine in it, i don't know. Fish also very often contains a lot of toxins, krill not. I'm taking krill oil and flaxseed oil, but if you feel good with fish oil, it's ok. 

Edited by maik2013, 14 April 2014 - 05:54 AM.

[thedarkbobo]

No caffeine (like 2 cups  per year). Too often consumption of alcohol did hurt me a bit, but that was not long or heavy drinking.

About the rest etc - ok, I am fine or nearly fine with all the mentioned.

 

The oils I take are: krill oil(swanson), olive oil(swanson 1g),cardio health oils(mix of walnut,olive,salmon,flaxseed,almond and wheat germ oils). Not everyday, and not all at the same time.

[thedarkbobo]

Ok, so for last four days I've taken mostly IP6 once per day, 30m before meal, on empty stomach, with water. I can't tell overall effect, but the most easy to notice was the change in feeling/structure of my teeth. I will cycle it 1 week on and 1-2 weeks off. Next will be either c60 or l-carnosine.

Edited by thedarkbobo, 14 April 2014 - 01:37 PM.

[biochemie]

Hey guys, i've been seeing c60 mentioned many times and have read a little about but what are the good suppliers out there??? Can't seem to find that info. Thanks

[thedarkbobo]

Well, I have no idea, I ordered one from Switzerland. Will try tomorrow. I've planned to make some photos of old scars and tissues - maybe I will do that too and (hopefully) compare in few months (if I'm still alive) although my supply is probably for 4 months max with dosing once per 7 days with starting period probably more "intense". If I dose once per 2 weeks after initial period, It might be sufficient for more than half year. As I read Turnbuckle:

 

The only fading I've noticed was when I took it initially for ten days, and after 5 days the improvements seemed to reverse. Thus I don't take it continuously but only once a week. And perhaps once a month might be better.

 

I've re-read IP6 posts and decided to use it for only 2-3 days every 5 weeks, since its very potent and could harm.

[Luminosity]

You happened to mention coke/pepsi and tea with sugar in your posts but you only drink two cups a year?  Those both contain caffeine and sugar as well as acids.  

[thedarkbobo]

Oh yes you are right   But then it's also not often, like 1/2L once per month maybe. +2 cups of coffee per year, based on last year. It was 2 teaspoons of sugar per tea few years ago, now its 1 not full teaspoon of sugar or honey.

Edited by thedarkbobo, 15 April 2014 - 06:39 AM.

[thedarkbobo]

Morning(around 10 am):

C60 1/2*1,5ml, I'm sure it reached brain as I had a "surge" of great vision enhancement and feeling of brain tuning to this substance? Brain fog after few minutes. Some weird feeling in different parts of body. Nothing serious. Slight pain in left arm for a moment.

1/2*1,5 ml again. Slight pain in upper left arm for a moment. Bit later slight tension in lower left arm for a moment. Slight head fog clearing, no increase in blood preasure. No pain in lungs, kidneys, liver or heart.

 

30 minutes passed... lower left arm again...layed down on bed and decided to let it regulate a bit, focused on body, heart rate increased a little, fallen bak to norm after few minutes. After waiting few more minutes I think it was "in me" so I stand up. Few excercises, no noticeable change. Could say I feel tougher, Hulk-like.

 

another 30 minutes passed... slightly worse breathing, [so I decided to take stinging nettle leaf extract as usually]...slight pain in lower parts of left leg, brain still little foggy. Back to norm.

Slight pain in right arm.

 

Another(third today and last) 1/2*1,5 ml. Slight pain in near left palm area. 1 not full provided by NSN green scoop of noopept to clean fog...it probably helped a little. It is still blending in me(?). After an hour or so brain fog is gone(12:30pm).

 

If the brain fog is not long term side effect and I feel benefits, I'm going to get 1+grams and make homemade one after summer Would not hurt to get some more in case it gets somehow banned in near future..hmm. For now, I will wait and dose 1,5 ml tomorrow. I should see/feel benefits after a week max.

 

Edited by thedarkbobo, 15 April 2014 - 10:39 AM.

[thedarkbobo]

Yesterday after meal and tea I've taken artichoke+uridine, as I had a slight headache (read below). Artichoke seems to tune me into good working/focus state...really nice feelimg, also stronger physically and not tired at all for few hours.

 

Interesting ...seems like my headache starts when I drink black tea...(not connected to c60, it has happened before, after mega-dosing unifiram or sunifiram probably, I just didn't notice the connection). I've woken up very refreshed and had sharp focus...then food+black tea with 3/4 spoon of honey...and my head hurt a little.It's like Sunifiram or whatever potentated me to such substances for long term.

 

So, another anecdotal report.

 

I can tell I feel effects of c60. Hard to describe, part of benefit I could attach to olive oil itself - for example it seems to soothe belly some more. I will have to wait few days or maybe weeks to see if its not placebo - some more "integrity" of muscles and joints. It also made me want to excercise and to push myself harder...in a weird/reckless way.

 

1,5 ml today. Few excercies. Fatigue feeling that I used to feel seems to be delayed and smaller. No brain fog. Added reservatrol, krill oil and vit K+D 30minutes after.

It's as if i had more strenght in joints and endurance in musscles. On the other hand I feel like it's a sickness and body is still confused about it...maybe its the new performance level that it has to adapt to. No idea.

 

 

 

[thedarkbobo]

It's really funny, after ordering c60 I thought it might be a scam from the look of websites etc....but today I've felt physically as if I was 18 years old. There is no way in hell that its placebo. After meal and fruit tea I thought my body might want to sleep a bit, so I tried...after 10 minutes I had to get up as I had too much energy. Besides excercises I had to walk some today, usually I would be semi tired, but I just wasn't.

I hope there is no "withdrawal" syndrome.  I won't be taking it for next few days, to check it out.

 

so far no noticeable side effects with:

noopept

stinging nettle leaf

reservatrol

uridine

artichoke

vit d,k

magnesium

vit c

krill oil

 

 

Edited by thedarkbobo, 16 April 2014 - 04:31 PM.

[Luminosity]

Black tea blocks the absorption of iron.  One author, who is also an MD, says it also blocks calcium and possibly other minerals (from the book Teacyclopedia).  Try not to take black tea with red meat or other iron-rich foods.  Consider cutting down on the black tea, honey and sugar.  

[thedarkbobo]

Btw black tea has Caffeine ?? So is a mild PDE5 inhibitor, i.e. is Viagra or Cialis Lite. +improved blood flow might give me headaches...well, I will drop it 90%..it's a habbit to at least drink a tea if you are guest

 

Summary c60

Day1:

benefits: increased strenght

cons: slight pains in arms, legs (muscles), brain fog, worse breathing

 

Day2:

benefits: increased strenght, endurance, all that probably increased my dopamine somehow; noticed increased tolerance to cold (was ~6-8C and I didn't shake like I usually do when it's 10-15C :D), also noticed "sunifiram" like effect with color enhancement.

cons: still bit worse breathing, in the evening I've noticed changes in respiratory system taking place(some kind of immune response), taken 2nd 1/2*1,5ml dose and went to sleep

 

Day3:

benefits: better breathing! (cleaner than usual lungs(?) and stronger...maybe just muscle?), increased strenght, endurance.

cons: might be hidden, feels none.

 

Nice.

 

 

Edited by thedarkbobo, 17 April 2014 - 07:25 AM.

[thedarkbobo]

Yesterday [day 3] evening I had episode of heat rush, probably due to spending too much time cleaning window in T-shirt with temp 10C and wind. Or maybe it was due to trying forskolin herb (swanson 400mg 1/4 caps) with artichoke for CILTEP. I'm quiet sure it tuned me into different state of "mind", but If I benefit from it - no idea, tests will come later.

 

C60 summary:

 

 

doses:

day 1  1,5*1,5ml=2,25

day 2 1,5 ml morning+around 0,5 ml before sleep=2ml

day 3 0

day 4 0

 

pros/cons day 4[morning]:

pros: same increased energy, but little less(dopamine balanced?), strenght, breathing, heart seems to be stronger

cons: muscles seem to be little fatigued after last 3 days of more intense excercies, honestly it would be weird if they weren't

 

 

Here is a quote from other topic I could agree with.

 

Resveratrol brought about no immediate improvement in those cyclists who reported in the resveratrol sub-forum, though endurance was noted to increase within three months and to remain higher than expected at a given volume of training, suggesting an improvement in oxygen utilization. I would expect C60-OO to have a more immediate effect on performance times, especially with an uphill course, as an effect seems to be on strength rather than endurance. (I believe the two complement each other, but that's another story.0

 

Problem is, after reading I have no idea which course of action is good/bad in humans and that it's far from well known...

 

Depends what you mean by "work". It is not an inert substance.

Resveratrol activates around 250 genes, not just SIRT1 (and SIRT2,3,5 and 7...). Some of these Improve mitochondrial effriciency and size, making it a possible treatment for age related sarcopenia (muscle wasting.)

It also inhibits nf-kappaB, which would account for its reported effect in reducing symptoms of arthritis. (Reported anecdotally, but by too many to ignore. I look forward to a study. In healthy athletes it has similarly been reported to enhance the effect of aerobic training.

It also causes diarrhea in large doses, and in smaller doses in susceptible people. Some users have reported joint and tendon pain, which has usually subsided with Vitamin D3 supplementation.

 

 

 

[thedarkbobo]

day 5[noon]: 0

 

pros: same as day 4, still increased strenght but effect might have diminished by like 30% (subjectively, I will stop training for 1 day), by the way I had increased focus and mental energy for the last 4 days, but had to go to sleep earlier than usualy, not sure if it's C60 but possible.

cons: none

[thedarkbobo]

day 6[noon]:0

 

pros/cons: I feel like effects are wearing off, definitely worse mood/energy...strenght seems to still be there.

 

overall I feel I'd need like ~4,3ml(4mg) per 4 days or maybe after initial period it will be just 1,5ml per 4 days to keep the effect running. That would be ~2,625 ml per week or 2,3*55ml bottles per year (around 30$ each). Buying 1 gram 99,95% for lets say 130$ would be enough for around 8 years with such regimen... + of course cost of olive oil and other stuff needed to stir it(hand?). There is some risk of sun exposure, rancid olive oil, bad procedure.

Buying 55ml bottles for 30$ for 8 years would cost around 550$.

Edited by thedarkbobo, 20 April 2014 - 09:23 AM.

[thedarkbobo]

day 6[evening]:1,5ml

day 7[morning]: 0

Calming effect, increased strength, at the same time I have no idea how, but it feels addictive.

Overall I feel it decreases anxiety by a lot and increases brain "endurance" as well.

 

I will stop posting for some time and write again if there is any new experience to share.