Hey Klein. you forgot one category namely; Gnostic, without the A at the beginning.
I have always been fascinated by both science, and religion. I am both scientific, and religious.
I can understand the revulsion against dogmatic, pig-headed, religious fanatics, and herd-followers, but not all religious persons are idiots, or misguided fools.
What I see, many times, on websites such as these, is a hypocritical stance on the part of dogmatic atheists, who, pardon me, prop up science, and the scientific method, as their own personal saviour, and God. The ultimate computer God, and the infinitely extended human mind, are all disguised religious longings; for the all knowable God, and for angels.
Why don't you just say, "my religion is scientism, or technologicalism"
In the largest sense, we are all religious in one way, or another. The religious quest is built in; the quest and longing for meaning, and order, harmony, and union with a supreme intelligence.
On another website I had an arguement with an British atheist about proof of God's, or the Godhead's, existence. He said that there is no proof, and I said that there is.
So, rather than go on for pages, I will recommned one author, and a book by him. This author is not a New Age kook, and he wouldn't be happy being labeled in their camp.
His name is Ken Wilber, and the book is, "Quantum Questions"
He has written many books in the field of "consciouness studies" as related to religion, and psychology. He has credible references in his books, for further study.
As for me; I searched for a religion that fits the realistic, existential, facts of human, and animal, existence.
I am a Westerner, so the only Western religious tradition that I could find that looks reality straight on, without flinching and retreating into denial, is Gnosticism. What I really admire about this tradition is it's view on human, and animal, suffering, and it's explanation for why suffering exists in the first place.
And for those of you, reading this, who are rich, and have lived in well-to-do areas, all your life, with housekeepers, and plenty of money for travel, and expensive educations; remember that most of the people who have lived on this planet, have lived in miserable conditions.
This is one reason I appreciate science, and technology so much. They have been our tools against the tyranny of nature; against disease, natural disasters, harse weather, dangerous animals, famine, excrutiaiting labor, etc.
Read Robert Freitas's article titled, "Death is an Outrage".
Why is there death in the first place, and what kind of a universe would create such a hell of death and suffering?
Being a Gnostic, I see science, and technology, as useful tools in our struggle to make the universal hell, a bit easier to live in, while we are here.
But hell the universe was, is, and always will be, so I don't buy the golden age scenarios, that say we can redeem the universe by using technology; to recreate the universe into a digital heaven.
We can make human life somewhat happier, and healthier, with technology, but that's it.
The Gnostic tradition says that we, humans, are souls trapped in matter. So, the longer you extend your life, the longer you stay in the prison of matter.
By now some of you think I'm a loon, so I'll will keep quite on religious issues, and stick to the science topics, from now on. I just wanted to let you know where I stand on the God debate.
Here is the best Gnostic website on the Internet, and Dr. Stephen Hoeller, is the best modern scholar on this topic.
Edited by Casanova, 09 June 2003 - 04:45 AM.