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#61 Mr. Psychillogical

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Posted 22 March 2017 - 07:00 AM


Adderall Tolerance

Amphetamines cause your brain to be flooded with the neurotransmitters serotonin, dopamine, and norepinephrine.

Your body builds tolerance to Adderall for two reasons:

1. Amphetamine tolerance is caused by excess Calcium influx through the NMDA receptor. Taking NMDA antagonists, prevent excess Calcium influx. Magnesium is an excellent NMDA antagonist, so take magnesium glycinate or magnesium taurate 200 mg three times a day. Do not take magnesium citrate, as it will acidify the GI tract and have a negative effect on absorption of your medication.

2. Adderall causes down-regulation of dopamine receptors. Adderall prevents your brain from breaking down dopamine causing an excess amount to be present in your brain. When your brain is subject to this effect for a long time, it compensates by decreasing the amount of dopamine receptors in your brain. Take the vitamin called inositol which upregulates (increases) the amount of dopamine receptors in your brain. Interestingly, inositol is used to treat bipolar depression and obsessive-compulsive disorder. Sulbutiamine (synthetic derivative of B1 Thiamine) also increases the density of dopamine receptors.

There are three ways to potentiate Adderall – to make it work more effectively. Acidity weakens absorption so consider taking half a teaspoon of baking soda in water an hour prior to taking your medication. A small amount of caffeine increases the activity of Adderall. L-Tyrosine also potentiates Adderall. Nicotine contains a small amount of monoamine oxidase inhibitors which increase the effect of amphetamines.

YOU SHOULD NEVER COMBINE A PRESCRIPTION monoamine oxidase inhibitor (MAOI) WITH AMPHETAMINES OR OTHER STIMULANTS. The brain releases monoamine oxidase enzymes to metabolize any neurotransmitters as soon as they are released. MAOI medications are usually in the antidepressant category. A monoamine oxidase inhibitor (MAOI) prevents the brain from releasing these enzymes which causes the neurotransmitters to remain too long. COMBINING MAOI MEDICATIONS WITH ADDERALL COULD KILL YOU.

You may want to ask your doctor to prescribe Dexedrine instead of Adderall. Dexedrine is purely the d-amphetamine molecule while Adderall is a mixture of the d and l amphetamine molecules. Dexedrine has fewer side effects than Adderall. Adopt a healthy diet and exercise. Drink large amounts of fluids as taking Adderall can dehydrate you. Don’t skip meals. Jaw clenching and tooth grinding are common side effects of amphetamines. Some studies have suggested that Adderall can speed aging by increasing oxidative stress and by decreasing glutathione. Eat a diet high in antioxidants (seven colors of food) and supplement with NAC N-Acetyl Cysteine and riboflavin (B2). L-Theanine helps if you are experiencing mild anxiety….you can also lower the dose….and take weekend holidays off Adderall. L-Arginine helps expand blood vessels and can cure the feeling of cold extremities. If you have Adderall induced insomnia, take a high dose Vitamin C to acidify your GI and increase the rate at which your kidneys excrete any remaining Adderall in your blood. GABA and Melatonin are also useful supplement for insomnia.

 


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#62 Keizo

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Posted 21 April 2017 - 02:20 PM

I'm using methylphenidate. The two supplements that I have used the longest for giving some moderate relaxation throughout the 24 hours (with and without prescription stims):

Magnesium (bisglycinate, but citrate or other forms should work fine)

Glycine

 

These are also quite cheap, especially the glycine, which you can find in 1kg bags and so forth.

I usually take the magnesium at night, it does make me a bit sleepy then, this in somewhere around 100% RDI doses. The glycine I take in the morning, about 10 grams. There's a lot of interesting stuff in other threads on this forum about glyicine. I would just say that I feel these two things have helped me significantly with anxiety, tension, and so forth, and I have used it for many months now. A lot of other supplements purported to be relaxing, like theanine, have made me feel weird.

 

As far as supposed toxic effects of amphetamine in very small doses, I think one would do well to focus on the effects on blood pressure etc, more so than the brain. 


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Posted 08 May 2017 - 10:51 PM

Hey I had a couple of questions was hoping someone might be able to answer...

 

A quick background on me ... I've been using adderall daily (~60mg) for the last ... 15 years.  I've for many years had a rough time dealing with the comedowns and have basically been using alcohol daily to for the entire time to deal with the comedowns.  Basically I take the adderall and work for about 8-10 hours, usually 1 20mg every 3-4 hours, then once I feel like taking another pill will no longer benefit me more than it will just make me feel like my head is spinning, I stop taking adderall and start drinking basically until I fall asleep--Which oftentimes is for 4-8 hours.  

 

I've not wanted to bring this up with my doctor as I feel he will take me off of the adderall and I basically have used it to fight severe depression successfully (aside from the alcohol/comedown issue) for basically the entire 15 years.  I'm hoping that with your guys guidance, that by taking some of these supplements I can cut back on my alcohol use and improve my quality of sleep as I'm now in a place where I feel very tired every day--I think I suffer pretty heavily from adrenal fatigue.

 

Anyways, my questions....

 

1.  You've noted quite a few times that it can be dangerous to take Magnesium with Adderall.  Though I've also read in quite a few places that people use the two religiously.  Is there a certain time I should be taking the Magnesium?  I know once the adderall is beginning to wear off, but I still generally feel the effects of it in my system until I fall asleep.  Is it safe to take the magnesium while feeling these comedown effects?  Or should I take the Magnesium before I take the adderall?  If so, how long until the Magnesium wears off and it's safe to take the adderall?

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2.  To combat ED issues related to stimulant use, I've been using Bluze capsules for the last 15 or so months with some success.  They contain:

Kesar and Moti, Kaunch, Jaiphal, Kharethi, Saffron, Jaipatri, Ashwagandha, Gokhuru, Shilajit, Dalchini and Musli.

 

I don't really know anything about these supplements and have been taking them blindly.  I also recently purchased ProSolutionPills which contain:

Solidilin, Korean Ginseng, Butea Superba, Momordica, Apigenin and Amla, Arjuna, Cordyceps, Zinc Oxide, Reishi Mushroom, Curculigo, Drilizen and Bladderwrack.

 

Do you think taking this combination will be safe?

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3. I've read that using combinations like Adderall and Viagra could be deadly so I'm very concerned about taking certain kinds of sexual enhancement drugs.  I'm wondering if you've used anything other than L-Arginine successfully?  

 

I've been using Kratom to combat premature ejaculation but it's not working like it used to and have been trying to find other supplements to aid in this issue and allow for bigger erections and to last longer.  Do you have any advice on that?  Or can you point me in the right direction?

 

Thanks a lot!


Edited by DSwinney, 08 May 2017 - 10:52 PM.


#64 Mr. Psychillogical

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Posted 09 May 2017 - 03:15 AM

Hey I had a couple of questions was hoping someone might be able to answer...

 

A quick background on me ... I've been using adderall daily (~60mg) for the last ... 15 years.  I've for many years had a rough time dealing with the comedowns and have basically been using alcohol daily to for the entire time to deal with the comedowns.  Basically I take the adderall and work for about 8-10 hours, usually 1 20mg every 3-4 hours, then once I feel like taking another pill will no longer benefit me more than it will just make me feel like my head is spinning, I stop taking adderall and start drinking basically until I fall asleep--Which oftentimes is for 4-8 hours.  

 

I've not wanted to bring this up with my doctor as I feel he will take me off of the adderall and I basically have used it to fight severe depression successfully (aside from the alcohol/comedown issue) for basically the entire 15 years.  I'm hoping that with your guys guidance, that by taking some of these supplements I can cut back on my alcohol use and improve my quality of sleep as I'm now in a place where I feel very tired every day--I think I suffer pretty heavily from adrenal fatigue.

 

Anyways, my questions....

 

1.  You've noted quite a few times that it can be dangerous to take Magnesium with Adderall.  Though I've also read in quite a few places that people use the two religiously.  Is there a certain time I should be taking the Magnesium?  I know once the adderall is beginning to wear off, but I still generally feel the effects of it in my system until I fall asleep.  Is it safe to take the magnesium while feeling these comedown effects?  Or should I take the Magnesium before I take the adderall?  If so, how long until the Magnesium wears off and it's safe to take the adderall?

----------------------------------------------

 

2.  To combat ED issues related to stimulant use, I've been using Bluze capsules for the last 15 or so months with some success.  They contain:

Kesar and Moti, Kaunch, Jaiphal, Kharethi, Saffron, Jaipatri, Ashwagandha, Gokhuru, Shilajit, Dalchini and Musli.

 

I don't really know anything about these supplements and have been taking them blindly.  I also recently purchased ProSolutionPills which contain:

Solidilin, Korean Ginseng, Butea Superba, Momordica, Apigenin and Amla, Arjuna, Cordyceps, Zinc Oxide, Reishi Mushroom, Curculigo, Drilizen and Bladderwrack.

 

Do you think taking this combination will be safe?

--------------------------------------------------------------------

 

3. I've read that using combinations like Adderall and Viagra could be deadly so I'm very concerned about taking certain kinds of sexual enhancement drugs.  I'm wondering if you've used anything other than L-Arginine successfully?  

 

I've been using Kratom to combat premature ejaculation but it's not working like it used to and have been trying to find other supplements to aid in this issue and allow for bigger erections and to last longer.  Do you have any advice on that?  Or can you point me in the right direction?

 

Thanks a lot!

Personally, and I'm no professional. I'd get rid of the supplements and alcohol combination entirely. If not make sure you have a full stomach or snacking consistently. Second, stay SUPER hydrated, cut salt and sugar intake and increase H2O to combat comedowns and side effects! In the past, a combination of aerobic exercise, celery(look it up) and l-theanine/l-arginine/Zinc/vitamin B complex have helped with ED problems and as well as numerous other synergetic benefits testosterone, metabolism, anxiety, circulation, etc... read around my post I'm sure you may be able to find what you are looking for! As for magnesium, IME best taken 4 hours before or after stimulants, so it doesn't cause any stimulatory or inhibitory effects of which magnesium has the ability to be both.(depending on the body's environment) 

Trial and error my friend, Trial and error...:)



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Posted 02 June 2017 - 12:46 AM

MAKING THE SWITCH

 

From DEXEDRINE to FOCALIN

 

              What are your experiences Disliked or Approved with either medication?

 

Preferability of, Costs, Availabilities, Dosing, Forms:

*Generics *Brands *Manufacturer *Extended-release *Instant-release *Pro-drug  

 

                  How do they compare in effects negative & positive?

 

                                                                                               Effects if any, upon Individual: 

                                                   *Physicality*Mentality*Personablity(Interpersonal/self)*Emotionality*Sociability(Intrapersonal/others)

 

Differences/Similarities between the two? 

 

                                                                                               What have you felt are the most:

                                                   *Pros *Cons *Benefits *Uses *Disadvantages *Advantages *Side effects...

 

 

 

 


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#66 Mr. Psychillogical

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Posted 02 June 2017 - 02:45 AM

I'LL SHARE A "PERSONAL MESSAGE" QUESTION I WAS RECENTLY ASKED:

 

Can you ever "recover" from Anxiety Disorder while being on ADHD medication?

ANSWER...
The only non-medication techniques that yielded any noticeable results:
1 Exercise daily...DAILY

2 Improvement in immune system via diet&vitamins&sleep.

3 Forced social interaction, a proven method to recover mental health issues(Look up the method of "social accountability")

4 Meditation, reading, writing, books on tape, anything related to "quiet time" at least 30-hour daily

5 Recognizing triggers and stressors. Mentally put them out of your head, try to focus on environment and what you HAVE to do next in the moment...
SIDE NOTE: I personally take Lamictal, which acts as a great mood stabilizer, weak GABA-A enhancer(good for anxiety), reduces neural excitability, added bonus prevents/protects me from mania & seizures

 







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