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[bocor]

when you said it helped growth of hair do you mean the speed? or did it regrow lost hair??? much thanks
J

[biknut]

It regrew lost hair, but not much.

I have male pattern balding. One of the anecdotal claims for Indiumease is hair regrowth. I felt that after about 6 months of supplementation it caused a very small effect. Small white hairs on my scalp grew a little longer. Growth did not improve much after that.

I didn't feel it had any effect on the healthy hair I have. All in all I'd have to say in at least my case, the claims are exaggerated.

[bocor]

much thanks biknut......are you still using indium? and what is the best thing it is good for for you? J

[bocor]

btw...did it stop your hair from continuing to fallout? or do you still experience shedding etc?? thank you much
J

[biknut]

much thanks biknut......are you still using indium? and what is the best thing it is good for for you? J

I took indiumease for 3 years until about 4 weeks ago. I decided to take a brake from it because I started taking GH3 and it has many of the same claims.

The main thing indiumease seemed to do for me was this. Starting at about age 30 I started getting heart burn. By the time I turned 40 It started getting much worse. If tagomet and zantac weren't invented I'd probably be dead or wish I was. When they went OTC it was the best thing that ever happened to me. I could never be without. Then 3 years ago I found out about Indiumease. Stopping heart burn is not one of the claims that I've seen. I started taking it hopping It would grow my hair back. Before I started I had a HB attack maybe 4 weeks before. After I started I got a HB attack about a month after that was uncharacteristically mild. That was the last HB attack I ever had. I still have the same bottle of zantac I bought back then. Not only did the HB go away, but I couldn't even abuse anything enough to cause an attack. Booze till I puke, nothing. Beer (budwasher always killed me), nothing. Whole pot of coffee, nothing. Big time stress, nothing. It's really been pretty amazing.

GH3 is supposed to keep me from these kind of problems too but I don't know If it will yet. If the HB comes back I'll be starting Indiumease again for sure. Even if HB doesn't come back I'll probably still take it off and on just because it seemed to help me so much that I can't discount that it may be beneficial In other ways I might not have been aware of. It never seemed to do me any harm.

[biknut]

btw...did it stop your hair from continuing to fallout? or do you still experience shedding etc?? thank you much
J

No, by the time I started Indiumease most of the hair that was going to fall out had already kissed me off years earlier. Any effects it had on my hair were positive but slight. Maybe for a younger person it might help better, especially if hair loss was only starting.

BTW, GH3 is supposed to grow and recolor hair and there seems to be more evidence to support this than with Indiumease.

[meatwad]

sounds like you have severe hydration problems.

most likely you will respond about how you have drank xx glasses of water per day and that it isn't the problem at all, but I am going to pro-actively disagree with you and tell you adding supplements is not a very good answer for basic nutrition.

http://www.amazon.co...glance&n=283155

this man cured a rediculous amount of prisoners in a prison with only water, almost all were stomache related pain. People who had been doubled over in pain for days were sitting up and talking after a night of drinking 2 glasses of water every 20 minutes.

I don't like recommending "books" but you have related 20 years of massive stomache pain.

[biknut]

meatwad, That makes a lot of since. When I was in my 20's, before ever getting any heart burn, I worked for Braniff Airways loading planes here in hot Texas. I was probably chronically dehydrated. Then after they went bankrupt, I was 30 and started doing air conditioning work, which is also hot sweaty work and even harder to find water.

After the age of 30 my body seemed to start showing signs of aging. It probably didn't help that I never exercised and back then I didn't believe in any dietary supplements.

[simple]

meatwd, On regards to Indium, perhaps ione of the reasons , that is not mentioned on regards to Indium sulfate, it is an antinflamatory, I suffered of colitis for many years , that is almost anything that I would drink or eat would cause excessive stomach acidity, acid reflux, colon inflamation, I was diagnosed with irritable colon syndrome, i had to watch everything i ate, I have personaly used Indium for more than 3 years , I no longer suffer of any colon problems, and I can eat and drink anything I want, furthermore, I wake up in the mornings and I am fully awake, the hair grow is very mild, it does help in the coloration of your hair, keeps most of the gray away. I posted a challenge to any body that wanted to try Indium I would feet the bill, since I would like to see it that it also qualifyes as a mild nootropic and helps stress, no answers so far

[xanadu]

Have you used the indium on your scalp? That might work better.

[FunkOdyssey]

Does anyone have any scientific evidence that indium does anything useful? I can't find ANYTHING on pubmed regarding the use of indium as a supplement or treatment for anything, even in animals. All I can find on the net are vague explanations of some benefit from people who are selling it.

I'm having trouble understanding why anyone would take this.

[Pablo M]

WTF is indium? I'm assuming this refers to the element indium?

The only supplement proven through vague explanations and seller recommendations to regrow hair is, of course, Protandim.

[simple]

Indium is a trace mineral, is approved by the FDA, most of its "formal " use, is Indium Octreotide 111 wich is used in hospitals to detect cancer tumors, since it seems to have an "affinity" for tumors or swollen organs, the Indium sorrounds the affected area, and then a radiography can be taken outlining the tumor.

It is a trace element studied by Dr Henry Schroeder, later on, the methods of absortion were patented, patent rigths have been challenged lately .

Indium falls on the category of DMSO to my opinion, DMSO has been on existence for long time, but it has constantly been rejected by doctors, even that it has proven that has tremendous antiradical value, excellent on burns and speeds healing of tissue, still there is only one state that uses it for medical reasons, and it has been proven tht it has no adversive effects on people.

[biknut]

There's not much science about Indium. Most of the evidence is anecdotal, and there's not very much of that. If you got to have proof, don't take it.

Indium was first tested in 200 mice compared to 200 controls by Dartmouth Medical School's Dr. Henry A. Schroeder, J.J. Balassa, Marian Mitchner, M. Kanisawa, A.P. Nason, and W.H. Vinton in 1964-68; who reported that INDIUM improved average Mineral absorption in the glands 142%; raised Chromium in all organs average 333%, enhancing Insulin that regulates muscle-building Protein and Carbohydrate energy in mammals.

http://www.indiumease.net/info.htm

The term indium, as used hereafter, means elemental indium and its FDA GRAS (Generally Accepted As Safe) compounds. The inventor is not aware of any scientific studies of the effect of indium, used as a nutritional supplement, on people. Indium always occurs in nature as a compound. The only indium compound presently on the FDA "GRAS" (Generally Accepted As Safe) list is indium sulfate.
A scientific study of the effect of indium on animals is an early work by Dr. Henry Schroeder, who is famous for his work on removing lead from gasoline. He studied seven trace elements and their toxic effect on mice (not humans); Schroeder et al, J.Nutrition, Vol. 101: 1431-1438 (1971); and Schroeder and Nason, J.Nutrition, "Interactions of Trace Metals in Mouse and Rat Tissues; Zinc, Chromium, Copper and Manganese With 13 Other Elements." He concluded that "Indium is not carcinogenic" and it is "relatively not toxic orally". (Schroeder and Mitchener at pages 1435,1436). There is no indication that Dr. Schroeder recognized any health benefits for mice, or for humans, from using indium as a nutritional supplement or that he used indium sulfate in his experiments on mice.
Indium sulfate is the only indium compound presently listed as Generally Recognized As Safe (GRAS list) by the FDA. The Index Medicus, MEDLINE (National Cancer Institute) indicates that the toxicity for rabbits (Lethal Dose Lowest--LDC, oral) was 1,300 mg/kg a day and rats 1,200 mg/kg. That dosage is about 20,000 times the usage (on a weight basis) of the nutritional supplement of the present invention. Indium appears in food substantially only as a complex trace contaminant which is not usable nutritionally.

http://patft.uspto.g...RS=PN/6,007,847

Indium can improve short-term memory

In 2000 a double-blind study using indium was undertaken at the TCM Academy in Bad Ischl, Austria in collaboration with the Austrian Morbus Alzheimer Society. It involved 24 Alzheimer's patients, half were given indium plus a mixture of Chinese herbs while the other half were given the Chinese herbs alone.

After 30 days those taking indium showed an overall improvement in stamina and short-term memory by an average of 37 per cent compared to an 8 per cent improvement in the non-indium group.2

A larger follow-up study is now under way and HSI promises to keep you updated on the findings as soon as they become available.

http://www.thehealth...982/indium.html

Indium appears to have no essential role in animal or human nutrition, although it is being touted as a dietary supplement. Those suggesting its value as a vitamin consider that indium, as a rare trace mineral, supports several hormonal systems in the body (Harvest Moon Health Foods, undated). They further suggest that anhydrous indium sulphate may “strongly elevate immune activity and reduce the severity and duration of a myriad of human ailments” (Vital Nutrients, 2002).

http://pubs.usgs.gov...0/2004-1300.pdf

[meatwad]

Simple
I don't disagree with you that indium has helped, I know very little about it, but I was trying to relate that hydration should be the very first step, THEN supplements.

Since he was not born with this problem and it surfaced after a certain time period, you can't say he was "born" with it.

I am a fan of the NOW brand liquid colloidal minerals, interesting enough indium is one of the minerals along with arsenic, cadmium and about 8 others that is micro filtered for less than 1ppm. Lithium is NOT micro filtered though.

[simple]

The point is well taken, most of us do not consume enough water as it is, Indium is a curious element since behavior wise , acts very much differently from one individual to the next (along gral guidelines) Every time I suplement w it, my thirst is never ending, I am 45 yrs and my skin is better than my wife,s , whom is 12 yrs younger, (all the water I guess) colloidal minerals are ok, but Indium really makes a difference , it is one of the things I could not be whitout, BIKNUT did his research quite well, still he did not mention that there are also studies of the effect of indium on hormonal production, diabetes, cancer, etc