• Log in with Facebook Log in with Twitter Log In with Google      Sign In    
  • Create Account
  LongeCity
              Advocacy & Research for Unlimited Lifespans

Photo
- - - - -

Vegetable Oils Make You Fat And Cause Disease

obesity chronic disease pufa omega 6

  • Please log in to reply
38 replies to this topic

#31 zorba990

  • Guest
  • 1,602 posts
  • 315

Posted 21 January 2018 - 08:42 PM

I avoid junk refined oils as the beneficial nutrients have generally been filtered out. Also, the fad of preservative free food has made many of these (especially in prepackaged foods) rancid. Nuts do not appear to show the negative effects this thread purports. But packaged varieties are often adulterated with extra rancid oil. Some "health food" stores load nearly everything with oxidized bleached filtered rapeseed oil. So buyer beware I would say. Eat organic raw unbleached nuts.

https://www.ncbi.nlm...les/PMC3257681/

#32 Kodiak

  • Guest
  • 26 posts
  • 4
  • Location:Madison, WI
  • NO

Posted 25 January 2018 - 08:30 PM

Okay, folks, is there a general consensus here? Just when I think I have a handle and understanding on my fat and oil consumption, a thread like this comes along and makes me doubt how I'm eating. Not too long ago, one of the threads here asked if olive oil was truly healthy, and that made me wonder as well.

 

This is how I've been eating for the past 10 years or so. Anyone care to comment if I'm on the right track?

 

For oils, all I use are olive oil and coconut oil. I cook with olive oil on low-to-medium heat (pretty much to grease the pan so nothing sticks) and I'll drizzle my salads for lunch each day with olive oil. I'll also drizzle Carlson's Lemon-Flavored Fish Oil on my salad daily as well. My salads also have ground flax meal in them and walnut bits too. For coconut oil, I make a batch of dark chocolate/oats/wild blueberry bits/almond butter/flax seeds/cinnamon/coconut oil cookies every other week or so for a healthy snack to grab. 

 

We eat fish (mostly cod, sometimes salmon) once each week for dinner. I also take two fish oil caps before bed most week nights.

 

I've almost turned eating O6s from oils into a taboo at my house. When I shop I consciously avoid anything with canola, soybean, sunflower, safflower, corn, peanut or cottonseed oil. But, to be fair, the oat bran bread I buy has soybean oil, so I'm not complete clear of it. 

 

As far as saturated fat goes, I'm not shy about eating it. All I buy is organic whole milk and usually, it's the grass milk variety, and then grass-fed butter. I drink milk daily and use butter a few days a week. And I eat plenty of eggs too. A co-worker raises chickens at her place and sell me the eggs for cheap. She says it's organic natural feed, but I'm not sure if that includes organic soy. As a rule, I try to keep soy out of my diet as a 41-year-old male.

 

The frustrating part is this: My girlfriend constantly rags on me for how much fat I eat and tells me I'll have heart disease in the future. I feel like I'm doing the right things by getting olive oil, flax seeds, fish oil and some saturated fats in my diet, plus keeping trans fats (I avoid deep fried foods) and vegetable oils to an absolute minimum. I watch my carb intake and tend to avoid simple sugars and refined foods, too. Yet here she is eating a lot of boxed/refined foods and using salad dressing (main ingredient seems to be soybean oil) like it's going out of style. She has a sweet tooth and likes a can of Coke a day, too. I just keep quiet and listen to her bullshit but again, I see threads like this and start to question if what I'm doing is right or healthy.

 

Any feedback is appreciated, guys! 

 

 

 



sponsored ad

  • Advert
Click HERE to rent this advertising spot for NUTRITION to support LongeCity (this will replace the google ad above).

#33 matisvijs

  • Topic Starter
  • Guest
  • 26 posts
  • 20
  • Location:Latvia

Posted 26 January 2018 - 12:01 AM

Sounds like a pretty good protocol to me, Kodiak. Don't know about the whole milk though, there are plenty of studies associating milk consumption with weight gain and allergies, though if you're neither overweight, nor do you have problems with allergies, it's probably not as bad as eating any food that's processed or cooked with n-6 oils.


  • Good Point x 1

#34 TheFountain

  • Guest
  • 5,362 posts
  • 257

Posted 26 January 2018 - 03:39 AM

It seems as if Fruit oils are better than 'vegetable' oils in regards to overall fatty acid ratio's. 

 

If you look at Olive oils and Avocado Oils they have very similar ratio's of Poly and Monounsaturated fatty acids. 

 

And even though Coconut oil is 98% Saturated fat it has 0% Polyunsaturated Fatty Acid in it. 

 

All these oils are touted as the health nut oils. 



#35 Mike C

  • Guest
  • 84 posts
  • 12

Posted 27 January 2018 - 01:53 AM

Walter Willet in his recently updated book Eat, Drink and be healthy flat out says the epedemiology supports the use of vegetable oils and does not support the use of saturated fats. He has maintained this position for at least 13 years. Willet includes both omega 3 and omega 6 fat sources as healthy especially in preventing heart disease. This includes all the refined oils we are talking about. I would not too easily dismiss his take because he bases it on the best evidence we have, long term research like the Nurses health study and the physicians health study as well as the impressive Lyon heart study among others

#36 Batambob

  • Guest
  • 5 posts
  • 2
  • Location:Indonesia
  • NO

Posted 27 January 2018 - 03:51 AM

Mike C says of Walter Willet's support of the man-made vegetable oils:

>" I would not too easily dismiss his take because he bases it on the best evidence we have"

 

Mike, find some videos of Fred Kumerrow explaining the health risks of PUFA (Poly Unsaturated Fatty Acids). Take note of 100 year old Fred's clear, age-spot free skin. Fred has been studying the ill effects of PUFA for decades. Age spots contain unmetabolized PUFA. Our cells have trouble processing artificial man made chemical, such as PUFA. Instead, the stuff ends up stored throughout the body (internally as well as on the skin) as age spots.

 

"One way to evaluate published studies is to see whether they tell you everything you would need to know to replicate the experiment, and whether the information they provide is adequate for drawing the conclusions they draw, for example whether they compared the experimental subjects to proper control subjects. With just a few minimal critical principles of this sort, most "scientific" publications on nutrition, endocrinology, cancer and other degenerative diseases are seen to be unscientific. In nutritional experiments with fish oil, controls must receive similar amounts of vitamins A, D, E, and K, and should include fat free or "EFA" deficient diets for comparison.

    In declaring EPA and DHA to be safe, the FDA neglected to evaluate their antithyroid, immunosuppressive, lipid peroxidative (Song et al., 2000), light sensitizing, and antimitochondrial effects, their depression of glucose oxidation (Delarue et al., 2003), and their contribution to metastatic cancer (Klieveri, et al., 2000), lipofuscinosis and liver damage, among other problems."

 

The Great Fish Oil Experiment

http://raypeat.com/a...s/fishoil.shtml
 

Yellow fat disease:

https://oneradionetw...t-pufa-disease/

 

 



#37 Batambob

  • Guest
  • 5 posts
  • 2
  • Location:Indonesia
  • NO

Posted 27 January 2018 - 04:44 AM

Oh! Another measure of your body's levels of stored PUFAs is how easily your skin gets sun burned. I used to be surprised at how badly the skin of my Australian Aborigine workmates would burn. I didn't know then, that their skin damage came from their crappy junk food diet of fast food fried in artificial seed oils.

 

It take several years for the cells in the body to renew.

 

4 years of Pufa Detox

https://raypeatforum...ufa-detox.6805/
 

   




 


  • like x 1

#38 nightmare

  • Guest
  • 6 posts
  • 2
  • Location:St-Petersburg, russia
  • NO

Posted 27 January 2018 - 01:05 PM

Personally, I avoid dietary arachidonate and most refined oils, and supplement with algal eicosapentanoate. My main cooking oils, which I use sparingly, are canola and mustard, which have attractively low linoleate/α-linolenate ratios. I don't worry about the linoleate in whole foods like nuts and sesame.

So what do you think about balancing FA in ur ration with some help of GM products? http://www.longecity...92241-best-gmo/



#39 dazed1

  • Guest
  • 304 posts
  • 4
  • Location:/
  • NO

Posted 23 February 2018 - 04:00 PM

Pufa detox, LOL!







Also tagged with one or more of these keywords: obesity, chronic disease, pufa, omega 6

1 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users