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Posted 10 December 2012 - 05:39 AM
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Posted 17 January 2013 - 10:40 PM
Isn't there also a subtle change in facial structure as well. I am not sure if I read it or heard it from real gerontology circles/research or from anti-aging gurus, but doesn't our facial bone and muscle structure sag or slightly change due to decades of gravity working against our decaying repair mechanisms?
Posted 18 January 2013 - 03:29 AM
Our facial bone structure changes, but I don't think it's due to gravity. Some parts just keep growing in ways that we'd rather they didn't. Kind of like the way old people get comically gigantic ears. Maybe some day we'll figure out a way to arrest these processes, or reverse them. At the moment, there's plastic surgery...What if one were to sleep upside down so gravity pulls on your face the other way for 8 hours each night.Isn't there also a subtle change in facial structure as well. I am not sure if I read it or heard it from real gerontology circles/research or from anti-aging gurus, but doesn't our facial bone and muscle structure sag or slightly change due to decades of gravity working against our decaying repair mechanisms?
Would that help?
Posted 18 January 2013 - 05:17 AM
This makes sense to me
http://rjpembroak.blogspot.com/
Posted 23 January 2013 - 04:34 PM
Our facial bone structure changes, but I don't think it's due to gravity. Some parts just keep growing in ways that we'd rather they didn't. Kind of like the way old people get comically gigantic ears. Maybe some day we'll figure out a way to arrest these processes, or reverse them. At the moment, there's plastic surgery...What if one were to sleep upside down so gravity pulls on your face the other way for 8 hours each night.Isn't there also a subtle change in facial structure as well. I am not sure if I read it or heard it from real gerontology circles/research or from anti-aging gurus, but doesn't our facial bone and muscle structure sag or slightly change due to decades of gravity working against our decaying repair mechanisms?
Would that help?
Edited by Arcanyn, 23 January 2013 - 04:55 PM.
Posted 23 January 2013 - 10:09 PM
It's not just the face - it's the whole skeleton, at least in males. Androgens trigger radial bone expansion; basically, osteoclasts at the outer surface of the bone are suppressed and osteoblasts stimulated, leading to net deposition of bone on the outer surface. The reverse happens on the inner surface, resulting in "hollowing out". The net effect is widening of the bones. It's not likely something that cosmetic surgery will ever be useful for, given that you can't really shrink bones surgically to the extent necessary, and whole skeleton replacement isn't likely to be all that survivable. However, it should be, at least in principle reversible by gene therapy; if you could reprogram some osteoblasts and osteoclasts to respond the opposite way to how they usually would (i.e. being activated when they would usually be deactivated, and vice-versa), then the process would run backwards - although a sixty year old might have to wait until they're 100 before they get their 20 year old body back. Also, given that females have some androgens, it might be a factor in appearance of aging for them, but obviously nowhere near as significant.
Posted 23 January 2013 - 11:09 PM
Posted 01 February 2013 - 04:18 PM
Posted 01 February 2013 - 06:07 PM
I find it very telling that in 12 years none of his pics taken daily are anywhere near a gym. He looks pathetic for 31 years old really, I'd guess him to be mid 40s based on the last pic.
Posted 01 February 2013 - 07:18 PM
I find it very telling that in 12 years none of his pics taken daily are anywhere near a gym. He looks pathetic for 31 years old really, I'd guess him to be mid 40s based on the last pic.
Yes, I agree, he looks so bad for 31 that I strongly suspect there was something else going on with him. He looks like he has had difficult physical or mental health problems, or a lot of sadness in his life.
Posted 06 February 2013 - 02:29 PM
It's not just the face - it's the whole skeleton, at least in males. Androgens trigger radial bone expansion; basically, osteoclasts at the outer surface of the bone are suppressed and osteoblasts stimulated, leading to net deposition of bone on the outer surface. The reverse happens on the inner surface, resulting in "hollowing out". The net effect is widening of the bones. It's not likely something that cosmetic surgery will ever be useful for, given that you can't really shrink bones surgically to the extent necessary, and whole skeleton replacement isn't likely to be all that survivable. However, it should be, at least in principle reversible by gene therapy; if you could reprogram some osteoblasts and osteoclasts to respond the opposite way to how they usually would (i.e. being activated when they would usually be deactivated, and vice-versa), then the process would run backwards - although a sixty year old might have to wait until they're 100 before they get their 20 year old body back. Also, given that females have some androgens, it might be a factor in appearance of aging for them, but obviously nowhere near as significant.
Interesting- I'd not heard that before. If this process is androgen-driven, does that mean that as androgen levels drop, it would happen less? It might be possible to design a pharmacological intervention that would slow or prevent it, although the odds of anyone going to the trouble are slim, given that it's not life threatening. My impression about the changes of facial bone structure with age was that it happened to both men and women, though maybe it's more of a male thing; I dunno. There are plastic surgical procedures that change facial bone structure, I guess just by some sort of cutting or shaving.
Posted 07 February 2013 - 05:30 AM
Posted 08 February 2013 - 04:49 PM
It's not just the face - it's the whole skeleton, at least in males. Androgens trigger radial bone expansion;....
Also, given that females have some androgens, it might be a factor in appearance of aging for them, but obviously nowhere near as significant.
Edited by xEva, 08 February 2013 - 04:50 PM.
Posted 09 February 2013 - 07:58 AM
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Posted 02 July 2013 - 11:40 PM
I agree that the fitness fanatics look older than their age.
Posted 03 July 2013 - 06:53 AM
Posted 03 July 2013 - 09:29 AM
do you mean people who run long distances regularly, i.e. cardio-freaks?I agree that the fitness fanatics look older than their age.
That's what I've noticed, too.
Posted 03 July 2013 - 09:35 AM
Posted 03 July 2013 - 03:27 PM
do you mean people who run long distances regularly, i.e. cardio-freaks?I agree that the fitness fanatics look older than their age.
That's what I've noticed, too.
Posted 03 July 2013 - 06:13 PM
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Posted 17 July 2013 - 05:12 PM
Spectators project their own issues onto this guy's art. He doesn't change dramatically in 12-years. That is, he doesn't change more than we are changing in 12-years. Despite the hand-wringing and supplements, diets, and exercise regimens aimed to slow aging, nothing works to slow aging. Face the truth. Obviously certain well-trodden behaviors facilitate health declines, and yet we all seem to know those behaviors by rote.
Posted 17 July 2013 - 05:52 PM
So, we all age at the same rapid, inexorable pace? I think you already know this to be false. For the sake of argument, let's say that you're (at least approximately) correct. Do you also maintain that it will always (for the forseeable future) be this way?
Posted 17 July 2013 - 08:56 PM
Posted 31 August 2014 - 09:35 PM
I was looking at the pictures of Ava Gardener thinking that she had pretty good skin for old age... boy was I wrong,
Five years after being this in the Killers,
http://www.moviepost...ner-1946-2.html
She became this in Mogambo. I would say she's a 40 or well maintained 50 something at the age of 30.
http://classiq.me/cinema-style-mogambo
Her face has more volume than it did before as it is normal for middle aged western women. No visible wrinkles, slightly hollow eye circles and beginning of a nasolabial folds all of which are not uncommon even for early 20 somethings. What make her look 50? I think it's something about her muscles and the way her skin pulls when she makes expressions.
Edited by Audioque, 31 August 2014 - 09:37 PM.
Posted 01 September 2014 - 03:15 AM
The 11's stick out at me, it also could be the hairstyle that we associate with elderly ladies, all those 80's photos with frizzy hair make people seem old.
Here I completely removed her folds and smoothed the skin she also has hooding of her upper eyelids, she even has a neck wrinkles, maybe she was an alco and heavy smoker? A big thing I have noticed in aging that gets overlooked is volume at the temples.
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