I mean pills... the ones that don't use FDA testing but still produce significant results in fat-loss at the risk of serious cardiovascular effects in vulnerable people? I recently bought some ephedrine from CVS and an ephedra extract product (ephedra gutted of its ephedrine) packed with other herbs such as bitter orange (synephrine source), white willow bark (aspirin), green tea, theobromine, phenylethyl hcl, loads of caffeine, and chromium picolinate, after I was fooled into thinking contained ephedrine. Most of the new non-ephedra pills use similar ingredients, especially synephrine, and most have been proven to be weaker than pre-ban ephedra supplements though some do produce major fat-loss results. Has anyone here had success with these non-ephedrine products?
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