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Posted 06 June 2009 - 08:36 AM
Posted 06 June 2009 - 08:49 AM
Posted 06 June 2009 - 10:36 AM
Posted 06 June 2009 - 10:40 AM
although in this movie it looks like the "natural is better/superior" meme wins out in the end (just the feel I get from the trailer).
Posted 06 June 2009 - 11:31 PM
Probably seems like it is written by a child because you are familiar with the topic. For the mass viewing public, it might have more appeal. Nice to see the meme getting out there more. Art/media changes attitudes, although in this movie it looks like the "natural is better/superior" meme wins out in the end (just the feel I get from the trailer).
Posted 07 June 2009 - 07:09 PM
Posted 07 June 2009 - 11:56 PM
Posted 08 June 2009 - 05:25 AM
Bruce Willis never tires of getting into the "diehard" style does he.
Looks like a nice movie, but as people said above it probably has the whole "natural is better than artificial" meme.
Posted 08 June 2009 - 08:14 AM
Bruce Willis never tires of getting into the "diehard" style does he.
Looks like a nice movie, but as people said above it probably has the whole "natural is better than artificial" meme.
Is artificial better than natural?
Posted 08 June 2009 - 08:15 AM
Bruce Willis never tires of getting into the "diehard" style does he.
Looks like a nice movie, but as people said above it probably has the whole "natural is better than artificial" meme.
Is artificial better than natural?
Posted 08 June 2009 - 04:27 PM
Edited by NearFuture3000, 08 June 2009 - 05:15 PM.
Posted 08 June 2009 - 06:09 PM
Edited by NearFuture3000, 08 June 2009 - 06:11 PM.
Posted 14 June 2009 - 03:38 PM
But your first point is not true. Biology does not survive. You live only for a few decades and then rapidly deteriorate and die.Biology has survived a really long time and I think we would be foolish to completely abandon it for a single alternate form of being. I currently feel more secure having my "self" stored in a lump of neurons than I would having it on a spinning platter or two though having both would be even better. Ideally our solutions will involve redundancy and alternate methods of avoiding lethal events.
Posted 14 June 2009 - 03:42 PM
Posted 14 June 2009 - 04:15 PM
Bruce Willis never tires of getting into the "diehard" style does he.
Looks like a nice movie, but as people said above it probably has the whole "natural is better than artificial" meme.
Is artificial better than natural?
Posted 08 September 2009 - 07:15 PM
Posted 08 September 2009 - 07:27 PM
Probably seems like it is written by a child because you are familiar with the topic. For the mass viewing public, it might have more appeal. Nice to see the meme getting out there more. Art/media changes attitudes, although in this movie it looks like the "natural is better/superior" meme wins out in the end (just the feel I get from the trailer).
Posted 09 September 2009 - 02:16 AM
Exactly when is it going to be out?
Posted 15 January 2010 - 08:38 PM
Posted 15 January 2010 - 09:16 PM
Edited by Cyberbrain, 15 January 2010 - 09:20 PM.
Posted 16 January 2010 - 07:36 AM
If the connection between the body and the Surrogate is perfect and if the signals are just like that of the human body (you experience all senses perfectly) and if the capabilities and control are the same or better, reality would be no different. It would be like extending yourself. It will be a wireless part of you.
This goes under the same umbrella as cyborgs. You can change every part of your body except your brain and it's still you. Heck even if you augment your brain it will still be you. I see no problem with having a Surrogate as long as you take care of where your original brain is.
The whole problem is based on where you perceive things. Here's a thought experiment. Would this be any different:
You awaken from a neuro cryopreservation (your head was frozen) and discover you're in a young healthy biological body. But later you discover that the body is just like an avatar and due to complications your brain is stuck in a jar connected to wires in some computer. But to you everything you do and perceive feels perfect.
In the end it's all just bioelectrical signals.
Edited by SiliconAnimation, 16 January 2010 - 07:37 AM.
Posted 16 January 2010 - 04:27 PM
By your reasoning, a hypothetical army could nuke the entire planet, so long as they had extremely highly detailed photographs of people's brains so that they could be stored on a computer system in some space station with a World of Warcraft server running while the creators of the nuclear holocaust celebrate down below with Transhumanist armbands and a marching band playing the theme music from Hackers.
(For the record, I find the scenario absolutely horrific)
Posted 17 January 2010 - 02:57 AM
By your reasoning, a hypothetical army could nuke the entire planet, so long as they had extremely highly detailed photographs of people's brains so that they could be stored on a computer system in some space station with a World of Warcraft server running while the creators of the nuclear holocaust celebrate down below with Transhumanist armbands and a marching band playing the theme music from Hackers.
(For the record, I find the scenario absolutely horrific)
Personally I don't see what the reasoning of Cyberbrain has to do with your scenario of holocaust.
Even in the surrogates, people can choose or not to use them and their original brain are intact.
If real is what you can feel, smell, taste and see, then 'real' is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain.
To me a phone conversation is a real conversation even though the person can be on the other side of the planet.
Edited by SiliconAnimation, 17 January 2010 - 03:01 AM.
Posted 17 January 2010 - 08:48 AM
Posted 17 January 2010 - 11:14 AM
Posted 17 January 2010 - 11:14 AM
Who said we were electrical signal ?'Just' electrical signals you say? Would you care to elaborate on what just exactly 'just' electrical signals are? I have electrical signals in my computer system. Putting photos of an intensive MRI of my brain on it and linking the graphical images to VB.NET doesn't seem to be.. well, logical?
Besides, if we are all just groups of electrical signals firing to and fro, what do you suggest about an EMP transmitting in moorse code while my 'just electrical signals' are operating in some hypothetical future scenario. Do we tell the EMP entity to stop existing so that a constrained electrical signal inside of a wire can organize itself properly? Do we tell the EMP that it has rights to operate in my server because I didn't pay my electric bill?
'Just'/'simply' electrical signals...
To use a quote that I will probably get sick of quoting:
"Of all the interpretations of the world attempted hitherto, the mechanistic one seems today to stand victorious in the foreground. It evidently has a good conscience on it's side; and no science believes it can achieve progress and success except with the aid of mechanistic procedures. Everyone knows these procedures: one leaves "reason" and "purpose" out of account as far as possible, one shows that, given sufficient time, anything can evolve out of anything else and one does not conceal a malicious chuckle when "apparent intention" in the fate of a plant or an egg yolk is once again traced back to pressure and stress: in short, one pays a heartfelt homage to the principle of the greatest possible stupidity, if a playful expression may be allowed concerning such serious matters."
Edited by ben951, 17 January 2010 - 11:38 AM.
Posted 17 January 2010 - 11:56 AM
Posted 17 January 2010 - 08:45 PM
...a cautionary message that just because we can put ourselves into a new substrate that can withstand forces that would kill our biological bodies doesn't mean we have attained even practical immortality.
I didn't get the impression that natural is better in the trailer but rather that something bad can happen due to hacking the electronic system. O_o
Posted 19 January 2010 - 04:16 AM
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