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[Rib Jig]

Predictions-comments from authoritative sources requested!!!

 

2040?  2060?  2100?

 

Maybe uploading that scan to trigger a computer-avatar revival will come much much later, but...

 

AND is there any reason that person won't fully feel as if they are continuing their life-existence?

Edited by Rib Jig, 30 May 2018 - 12:43 AM.

[boff]

Never going to happen. The brain is an organic quantum system. Problem with quantum systems is you can’t accurately measure them without disturbing them. Making it impossible to copy.

[Rib Jig]

Never going to happen.

 

2 letters.

AI

already solving problems faster than humans;

will soon be solving problems humans can't solve;

[Rib Jig]

The brain is an organic quantum system. Problem with quantum systems is you can’t accurately measure them without disturbing them. Making it impossible to copy.

 

am not physicist;

when one wakes up in morning one is completely different vs night before, on quantum level, right?

yet one still feels one is same person, right?

so exact copy on quantum level is not necessary, right?
a near exact copy on molecular level might be all that's required to feel one is same person death ==> revival, right?

Edited by Rib Jig, 16 March 2023 - 03:37 PM.

[Rib Jig]

Never going to happen. The brain is an organic quantum system. Problem with quantum systems is you can’t accurately measure them without disturbing them. Making it impossible to copy.

its silly to talk about preservation on atomic or quantum level

why ------------->

you are completely different being on atomic or quantum level

comparing what you were when you went to sleep last night to what

you were when you woke up this morning...

 

YET YOU CONSIDER YOURSELF THE SAME

:give it up mate stop havering over nothing...

[gamesguru]

you are completely different being on atomic or quantum level

comparing what you were when you went to sleep last night

 

It technically takes seven years, and atoms are recycled in a descending geometric ratio of terms, so to truly recycle every last atom in your body would take nonillions of years. And there may be some proteins (e.g. in the lens of the eye) which do not undergo carbon turnover.

 

Consciousness is different because it's arguably constituted by electrical signals, information flowing. And while that information flow can be apparently interrupted by sleep, it still resides in the same place and has connections to nearby activity (which goes uninterrupted). And we have to consider the hypothesis as well that (despite the apparant nature of everyday experience) we are not the same conscious entity as we were before a night of sleep or before taking a nap. If that's true, we are an entirely new person when we awaken, who nevertheless has the same memories, habits and dispositions as before, thus giving the impression of continuity.

[Rib Jig]

...thus giving the impression of continuity.

That's all I ask of cryopreservation, regardless of my molecular-atomic-quantum reality.

Between now & then, I wish to see reasonably beaten back, arguments against its

success so I can "die" with strong belief-hope of revival+continuity.

With latest AI news, I predict solutions by 2060...

Edited by Rib Jig, 17 June 2023 - 04:06 PM.

[gamesguru]

Yes, but it remains uncertain if cryopreservation will provide the same perception of continuous experience.

 

Cryopreservation results in a pause in all metabolic and electrical activity in a way which is vastly more profound than even the states of deepest sleep or coma.

 

In phenomenological terms, it's the difference between a car stopping to idle at a traffic light and a car being shut off and left in a shed over the winter. It may be the same car physically, but the engine cycle is restarted cold. And that could break continuity. These are philosophical problems we have yet to solve.

[Rib Jig]

> In phenomenological terms, it's the difference between a car stopping to idle at a traffic light and a car being shut off and left in a shed over the winter. It may be the
> same car physically, but the engine cycle is restarted cold. And that could break continuity. These are philosophical problems we have yet to solve.

 

Common sense tells me even if it is a "break"

science + AI will find a way to "fix" the break...

 

Without deflecting, let's look ahead to 6000 AD.

That's 4000 years from now.
How can anyone today possibly think these

problems we now discuss are still unsolvable.

Or if one must, look ahead to 10000 AD...

So now that doubters have their minds right,

back up to 3000 AD or 2500 AD or 2100 AD...

 

Given time, science + AI are unstoppable, IMO...

[gamesguru]

Sure, it's conceivable we'll reach some sort of singularity or tipping point. But it's also conceivable we'll delay progress through wars and conflict, and run out of resources (or otherwise stifle ourselves as a technological society) before we can realize a full actualization of our faculties and the rocky material around us.

 

It's also possible that despite tremendous advancements some problems will remain unsolved. You have no idea what will happen once you go into that deep sleep.

[Rib Jig]

> You have no idea what will happen once you go into that deep sleep.

 

You have no idea what will happen once you go to sleep tonight.

Tomorrow night. etc etc blah blah blah  __ __

Certainly all your molecules-atoms-subatomic particles will be wildly sloshed around...

 

But your common sense tells you what is likely.

With best available cryopreservation techniques, currently Alcor by far,

my common sense near my time of death will lead me to believe revival is likely.

After my death, before my revival, it don't matter to me if I'm right or wrong...

BECAUSE I ONLY EXIST AS A CORPSE, DON'T I?!!!!

Edited by Rib Jig, 18 June 2023 - 05:19 PM.