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#1 KBAnthis

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Posted 29 July 2018 - 10:59 PM


I am going to start taking Magnesium Lysinate Glycinate and am wondering if anyone has any experience comparing it to Magnesium Bisglycinate Chelate. Both of which are manufactured by Albion here in the USA. I have been thinking of trying Magtein in the Future... does anyone have any experience with that either? I am wondering if the added lysine is going to be worth it.   From what I can gather so far it will be a good addition, but with the lower weight of the Magnesium Glycinate Chelate, I am wondering as there seems to be no statistical significance in absorption between the two according to Albion. They sent me an e-mail stating, "In in vitro tests using a Caco-2 cell model, there were numerical differences in absorption rate, but there was not statistical significance between them.  This means that from a statistical standpoint, they had equivalent absorption rates."  So I am wondering if anyone has tried them both and preferred one over the other, or if anyone has tried Magtein with either. I am new to the forum and this is my first post, so I hope everyone is met with good wishes, have a wonderful day!


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Posted 26 October 2018 - 06:17 AM

my bad keyboard glitch. but yeah apart from all that. if its cost efficient id go with Mg Lys Gly. Can never get enough lysine, its a pretty solid multipurpose amino that is easily excreted with no adverse side effects to high doses that i know of. i got my MgLT from nootropics depot and MgGly from BulkSupplements on amazon. NootDepot wasnt a bad price i think $35 for 125Gs and MgGly was maybe $27 for .5 kilo


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Posted 26 October 2018 - 06:17 AM

   personally i prefer regular old MgGly (diglycinate/bisglycinate chelate) for a number of reasons. Fastest absorption rate given the largest number of potential enzymes that can act on it to unhinge it and its elemental mg to molecular weight ratio (more economic as a result and less waste in the body), highest bioavailability, glycine having its own uses in the NS (of glutamatergic weak-stimulatory nature), lack of laxative effect, noticeable sedation aiding in anxiolysis altho somedays it hits me a little heavier than i'd like leaving me feeling slightly slow, among some more.

i use Mg L-Threonate as well and, if it weren't for the huge ratio between elemental to molecular weight, i'd be using it daily instead. Threonate having its benefits like lowering DHT (beneficial in prostrate cancers, hair regrowth, joint health/fluid retention); and in bonded, the molecule restores memory deficits caused by neuropathic pain and in Alzheimer's, and aside from what else we already know, i'm sure we'll see a lot more extraordinary pros in the near future. This unassuming chelated mineral analogue comes in handy when indicated in some outstanding arenas.

MgLT for leaves me with a steady calm that doesn't leave me feeling like i have to force focus and make efficient multitasking difficult to impossible, as MgGly can for me on days when i'm dehydrated/have allergies/not drinking or urinating enough. My only complaint, as aforementioned, about it is the 144mg elemental to 2000mg molecular leaving me needing 4570mg over the course of the day to reach RDA 320mg. 

 

     I know the typical RDA for men is 420 but, with the consequences of Mg overdose being as they are (bradycardia-> irreg heartbeat-> cardiac arrest, i already have minor kidney issues and pretty severe orthostatic hypotension) and the prevalence of the mineral in food, i see no reason to take so much. The body functions best with 50-85% of RDAs for the vast majority of vits and nutrients, split and spaced evenly over the day, as it is (except we're talking B vits aside from nicotinic acid/original b3, which causes nerve damage at unnecessarily high doses).

     



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Posted 26 October 2018 - 04:29 PM

I was a little happy about your post, but your pricing seems a little off on the Magnesium L-Threonate. 60 gms (not 120)  are around $35.  Capsules from sources such as Source Naturals can be had for less than $30 or actually  $26 (60 gms) for Source Naturals on amazon, or $46 (120 gms)

 

For me, I do not consider Magnesium L-Threonate as a source of elemental magnesium since I take other forms. For me,  I do believe (no proof) that it has a cognitive benefit. I have taken it periodically due to the high cost.

 

As far as high dose Magnesium concerns for you, it sounds like it is best to be safe. For me, and others who I have read about their experiences, very high dose Magnesium have not been an issue. Definitely spread out in multiple doses throughout the day. Everyone should be careful though.


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Posted 26 October 2018 - 09:32 PM

I personally like to use all forms. I take 230mg malate in the morning, 400mg glycinate afternoon, 300mg chloride early evening and 2 g Magtein before bed.

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Posted 27 October 2018 - 12:26 AM

Since posting this I have decided on using the Doctor's Best High Absorption Magnesium Powder with TRAACS. I tried 120 grams of MagTein and did enjoy it. I noticed some improvement in the areas they claim to improve and some others they do not mention. Improved cognition and perceptions were noticed. I had been taking around 1000 mg Calcium and 400 mg of Magnesium for a few months now but am going to try to lower the dosage to half this starting today 10/26/2018 at the time of this post. I am doing this as I have quit exercising recently. I have noticed deficiency at the rate and upped it to 1500mg Calcium and 600 mg Magnesium when I was doing heavy physical labor. The deficiency symptoms went away after upping the dose. I will adjust the dosage as  I see fit and recommend everyone do the same if they follow this forum. Naturally you should consult a licensed health care provider before following anyone's advice. Everyone is going to require minerals at the rate which they use them. I would like to see methods to show how much my body is using and storing. I have quit working out / weight training is why I am lowering the dose to start with. I may require more. I did not experience any side effects I noticed when I was using much higher doses of magnesium. When I lowered the dose I did not experience much difference. I can see why someone would use higher doses if intense physical stress is put on the body. Take everything with a grain of salt and be well. 


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Posted 10 January 2019 - 11:52 PM

Well I am still taking Calcium Bisglycinate chelate and Magnesium lysinate glycinate. I have since started adding in back Calcium lactate and eventually Magnesium lactate. The quality is super in the ALBION minerals. I love the extra boost of Lactate. For now I am taking all, and may in the future depending on availability, I have quite a bit of calcium bisglycinate still, and enjoy it. It is a different feeling then the calcium lactate. I enjoy a cup of coffee with a teaspoon of calcium lacatate in it. The Calcium Bisglycinate does tend to clump together unless I mix it in a little jar with some MSM and some Collagen powder ahead of time. If I just toss it in a cup it clumps together. It is very pure feeling.

 

I continue and plan to stick with ALBION trace minerals, except their copper, which I am using MitoSynergy. 

 

 

MagTein? Well, it was awesome.  I will order it again in the future. 

 

Maybe it was the copper 1, maybe it was the MagTein, maybe it was both, either way I enjoyed the MagTein and the mental boost it provided. 


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Posted 11 January 2019 - 06:44 PM

... I love the extra boost of Lactate. For now I am taking all, and may in the future depending on availability, I have quite a bit of calcium bisglycinate still, and enjoy it. It is a different feeling then the calcium lactate. I enjoy a cup of coffee with a teaspoon of calcium lacatate in it.

 

I also take Calcium Lactate. I mix it in my 1 or 2 meals a day. When I would only have 1 meal, earlier in the day, I mix it in water with a combination which sometimes includes Pink salt and Potassium Bicarbonate. I tried your coffee method today by frothing it into one of my cups of fatty coffee. It did not hurt the taste. It seemed to help it froth more. I used 1/2 level teaspoon which by my original estimate equals approximately 200 mg of elemental Calcium. You mentioned Magnesium deficiency symptoms. Would you share what those are for you, and how long they took to resolve?



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Posted 11 January 2019 - 11:52 PM

Adding calcium lactate is for the health benefits to me only. The taste is bearable but not palable by todays means. I enjoy the taste, since I am familiar with with what comes with it. It is not a sweet taste though, for the most part. I use a 7 oz coffee cup though, well it is an old bionature organic tomato paste jar that I pour coffee in. I started using glasses for water like a cooler, or the tomato paste jar, after I watched ethipian coffee ceremony. My hands are large anyway and coffee cups are not the most logical choice for me. I just grasp the end of the glass without the hot liquid in it normally. I like adding in a little bit of OptiMSM powder too. The lactate seems to really boost brain powder, and the copper 1 is really on the same level but another level of body operations.

 

I am not 100% sure on all the symptoms I had really. I got the magnesium powder since it seemed like a good idea when I was buying calcium powder, I had read that people should supplement calcium since it is not well absorbed from dairy, and that the soils are deficient in minerals.

 

There are no words to describe the feeling of adequate mineral intake. It is good feelings though that support life, vital, and needed! I came form the standard American diet and suffer the disabilities that come from it. I congratulate you for surviving to this point on the Standard American Diet. Mineral free food is truly torture. That is why we must supplement until the problems are addressed in a very scientific way, in the future.

 

I did get some muscle twitches when I was doing weight training when I first started, and was walking many miles a day. Do not wait to start supplementing , do not wait for symptoms to show, odds are you are starving for the minerals. Some mental fatigue was in the background. Fatigue, muscle weakness, low bone mass density. 

 

Consult a medical doctor if you are going to change anything in life, naturally. 


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Posted 12 January 2019 - 04:09 PM

KBAnthis, Thanks.



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Posted 12 January 2019 - 06:06 PM

What I must reccomend if you are enjoying this mixture, is copper 1 from MitoSynergy. I am taking about 2 mg of copper a day from this and can not reccomend it enough. I reccomend cruising thier website and reading the information. To me it is worth adjusting my dietary budget to include it. Until I make it big, which is from here to there or soon, I am not having vast amounts of material wealth. Hopeing for this in the near future, but it is worth adjusting your budget to include it is what I am getting at. The noticable differnce of the body not having to change copper 2 into copper 1 is amazing, that is if you even are getting enough copper 2. I am not sure on the details of all of it as I am not a scientist working in this field. I wouldn't enjoy giving up access to copper 1 niacin powder. Be sure to store it properly and not to contaminate the spoon. Take great caution in this. I personally drilled a hole in  a bottle lid and used plastic to then seal the bottle lid and bottle underneath closing the lid on top. Then I took a small piece of wire, like you would get from the label on a bunch of greens,  and poked a small hole in the plastic bag. I then put the spoon through the small hole to store the small blue spoon for the copper 1. I had some silica packs I tossed in the bottle. I may try a rubber glove instead of a piece of plastic bag to seal the bottle in the near future. I keep 2 spoons in one bottle, one for the copper niacin and one for the vanadium nicotinic acid (sp) that I get from pforlife A small spoon of it gives me probably 20-100 mcg of vanadium I don't recall off the top of my head.



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Posted 13 January 2019 - 05:10 AM

What I must reccomend if you are enjoying this mixture, is copper 1 from MitoSynergy. I am taking about 2 mg of copper a day from this and can not reccomend it enough. I reccomend cruising thier website and reading the information. To me it is worth adjusting my dietary budget to include it. Until I make it big, which is from here to there or soon, I am not having vast amounts of material wealth. Hopeing for this in the near future, but it is worth adjusting your budget to include it is what I am getting at. The noticable differnce of the body not having to change copper 2 into copper 1 is amazing, that is if you even are getting enough copper 2. I am not sure on the details of all of it as I am not a scientist working in this field. I wouldn't enjoy giving up access to copper 1 niacin powder. Be sure to store it properly and not to contaminate the spoon. Take great caution in this. I personally drilled a hole in  a bottle lid and used plastic to then seal the bottle lid and bottle underneath closing the lid on top. Then I took a small piece of wire, like you would get from the label on a bunch of greens,  and poked a small hole in the plastic bag. I then put the spoon through the small hole to store the small blue spoon for the copper 1. I had some silica packs I tossed in the bottle. I may try a rubber glove instead of a piece of plastic bag to seal the bottle in the near future. I keep 2 spoons in one bottle, one for the copper niacin and one for the vanadium nicotinic acid (sp) that I get from pforlife A small spoon of it gives me probably 20-100 mcg of vanadium I don't recall off the top of my head.

This post was made very misinformed, please see the mitosynegy website to understand why you need thier product, I do not think copper 2 can be turned into copper 1 like I quoted. My apologies,


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Posted 21 January 2019 - 08:09 PM

I like to rotate among several different forms of Mg. Based on lab tests over a period of years, one thing I've found is that supplementing Mg in capsule form was not very effective for me. I really need to take it as a powder, to get a large enough quantity.

 

My favorite is Mg Citrate (Natural Calm), partly because it's easy to take in quantity (tastes decent, effervescent), and partly because I've seen good results on lab tests after using it for an extended period. Citrate also supports the Krebs Cycle (energy production).

 

Second favorite is Mg Glycinate -- also easy to take in quantity. KAL makes a version with natural lemon flavoring that's slightly sweetened with xylitol. Not ideal for the long-term, but for those who have trouble taking enough Mg due to the taste, or just enjoy a change, it's nice to have around.

 

Mg Aspartate is third on my list. I don't take it that often anymore, but Aspartate has a number of positive health effects, so it's a good partner.

 

One form I would strongly suggest people avoid is Mg Oxide. It's very poorly absorbed, almost insoluble in water, and difficult to take in quantity.



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Posted 22 January 2019 - 04:22 PM

Thanks for the information AceNZ. Would you share which lab tests you are using? Lab tests aside, did you have symptoms which improved?

 

 

.......I like to rotate among several different forms of Mg. Based on lab tests over a period of years, one thing I've found is that supplementing Mg in capsule form was not very effective for me. I really need to take it as a powder, to get a large enough quantity.......


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Posted 22 January 2019 - 08:20 PM

Thanks for the information AceNZ. Would you share which lab tests you are using? Lab tests aside, did you have symptoms which improved?

 

An RBC Minerals test is the best one that's readily available. For example:

 

https://www.doctorsd...l-rbc-elements/

 

Magnesium is actively concentrated inside cells, so plasma tests are particularly bad, and whole blood isn't much better. Even RBC tests have their limits; it's still possible to show "normal" on an RBC test, and to actually be deficient. The "gold standard" test involves a 4-hour long magnesium IV, followed by measurement of total uptake vs. amount excreted. However, it's impractical for most of us.

 

My symptoms improved significantly with initial and continued Mg supplementation. I 80% cured myself of Multiple Chemical Sensitivity (MCS) over a period of roughly 5 yrs. I believe that correcting *all* of my mineral levels was an important part of that process. However, it was a slow process. Taking some minerals can lower the levels of others, and certain mineral levels need to be corrected before others will budge. Mg is one of the most difficult to fully correct, I think, in part due to low-quality supplements, and in part due to the ease with which Mg "leaks" develop in the kidneys for a number of different reasons.

 

I'm at the point now where I can feel it when my Mg status drops. Things like muscle cramps or certain other kinds of muscle pain or headaches. Taking Mg Citrate or similar now will quickly eliminate those problems. In the old days, when I was sick and had multiple and severe deficiencies, it was never quite so easy.


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Posted 22 January 2019 - 09:16 PM

Thanks Ace NZ. Your time frame feels similar to mine. I am very excited that you seem to have stabilized, and only need to adjust dose as needed.

 

For years, mega dose (2,000 plus mg) Magnesium spread throughout the day did not alleviate my night time severe cramping. Many forms. It now seems to have resolved almost completely trying another form for 90 days. (If it was placebo, it would not have taken about a month, and one of the various mega dosed forms would have triggered that in the past.) Maybe a very minor cramp if I sleep wrong. Goes right away. Not much to comment about it until I try with other forms to see if I just had a timely change.

 

I will quote member pamojja from another thread.

 

"Think that could be highly individual. Run into a severe Mg-deficiency 10 years ago, which I tried to counteract with increasing amounts of oral supplemented Mg. In my case that alleviated the very pain-full muscle cramps only somewhat. Even though I took in average about 1.6 g per day of elemental Mg (up to 2.4 g/d recently), serum Mg didn't reflect the deficiency at all, and with increased amounts of supplemented Mg rather decreased. RBC tests wasn't available. Only repeated whole blood Mg tests did indeed show the extent of my deficiency.

 

Only since 1 year got 'additional' 10 Mg-sulfate IVs. And since the 6th IV the cramps have ceased completely. Awaiting whole blood results any day now."

 

 



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Posted 22 January 2019 - 09:51 PM

What happens in some people (myself included) is that there can sometimes be a secondary condition that cause Mg to leak from the kidneys -- so no matter how much you supplement, it's never enough.

 

Mg kidney leaks can happen for several reasons, including environmental toxins / irritants and certain prescription drugs. For that reason, cleaning up my environment was a critical component of my path to wellness.

 

However, as you've seen, taking the right form of Mg is also important. For muscle cramps in particular, although low Mg is the most common culprit, low potassium is sometimes also involved. Now Foods makes a nice Mg + K Aspartate supplement that can be a useful thing to try, or you can just use a half to full tsp of K Gluconate powder.

 

Regarding the quote from pamojja, what they said about serum Mg sounds exactly right: a totally useless test. Mg Sulfate IVs can be very effective (though painful!).

 

For people with severe deficiencies, there are a few little tricks you can use that often help. For example: avoid Calcium (competes with / opposes Mg), take with food to improve absorption, use several different forms, use Mg Citrate or Glycinate as your primary supplements, work to keep yourself alkaline (foods, supplements, Alka Seltzer Gold), be careful about sweating too much (and supplement during or after), minimize toxins in your food/water/environment (can be a *huge* factor), be careful not to over-hydrate (adequate hydration is important, but water is also a solvent that can wash nutrients out), avoid certain chelating supplements while your levels are particularly low (such as IP-6 and Lipoic Acid), and make sure you treat gut health issues if you have them (leaky gut, Candidiasis, etc).


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Posted 23 January 2019 - 07:53 PM

I have been bouncing back around magnesium supplements to see effects and absorbtion. While I do enjoy the feeling of the lactate when it is chealted to calcium or magnesium, it just seems like I get better absobtion from the Calcium bisglycinate and the magnesium lysinate glycinate. I tried the lactate again today after a long break and it does provide alot of energy. I wish I was on a medical think tank team or something. It seems lactate has some other benefits to it. None the less The Albion minerals are made in the USA and I support that. The extra lysine and glycine has improved my skin quality. I have been taking collagen also too. I heard or read somewhere collagen increase NGF by like 20% maybe it was a video on PQQ. I started that again the PQQ and have been enjoying it. It has helped with my nerve pain. If the lactate day today is life changing I will report back, but for now I am sticking with ALBION minerals. I just wish there was more information on lactate, and since I do not do simple carbohydrates I am moving away from the lactate, but I do not think it supports candida like processed sugar. Think tanks feel free to contact me.



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Posted 24 January 2019 - 09:14 AM

Well the lactate did give me so much more energy that is was worth mentioning in a post. I don't know. There is not enough information on whether it is healthy to promote extra lactate as an healthy energy source. I do know I fel great and have been taking copper 1 niacin, cal / mag lactate , and pqq today and wow was I amped. 



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Posted 29 January 2019 - 03:19 PM

I like to rotate among several different forms of Mg. Based on lab tests over a period of years, one thing I've found is that supplementing Mg in capsule form was not very effective for me. I really need to take it as a powder, to get a large enough quantity.

My favorite is Mg Citrate (Natural Calm), partly because it's easy to take in quantity (tastes decent, effervescent), and partly because I've seen good results on lab tests after using it for an extended period. Citrate also supports the Krebs Cycle (energy production).

Second favorite is Mg Glycinate -- also easy to take in quantity. KAL makes a version with natural lemon flavoring that's slightly sweetened with xylitol. Not ideal for the long-term, but for those who have trouble taking enough Mg due to the taste, or just enjoy a change, it's nice to have around.

Mg Aspartate is third on my list. I don't take it that often anymore, but Aspartate has a number of positive health effects, so it's a good partner.

One form I would strongly suggest people avoid is Mg Oxide. It's very poorly absorbed, almost insoluble in water, and difficult to take in quantity.


What about Magnesium Water then? It's magnesium-oxide dissolved in carbonated water which together makes magnesium bicarbonate. So it does solve in water, i wonder if anyone here knows how well it's absorbed by our bodies.

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Posted 29 January 2019 - 04:06 PM

I just saw a video the other day talking about magnesium bicarbonate, I think they claimed it was 50% absorbable but didn't cite anything. I may have read that afterwards. It did interst me though.  If I ever see a co2 soda maker on sale I may pick it up and try to make some one time. Anyone ever try it or make it? I really prefer as small of a carbon footprint as possible until we are off fossil fuels, that and to support our own economy I use ALBION minerals. The magnesium lysinate glycinate has treated me good so far, and I will report back once I get the magnesium bisglycinate. 



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Posted 29 January 2019 - 05:26 PM

Why do you need a "co2 soda maker", you just need to shake carbonated water and magnesiumoxide.

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Posted 29 January 2019 - 08:09 PM

I have not seen an indication that Magnesium Oxide has been used to make Waller Water (Magnesium Bicarbonate)  They use Magnesium Hydroxide in the form of pure Milk of Magnesia, or I have seen somebody who used powdered Magnesium Hydroxide. 

 

I agree about the possibility of using a soda maker.

 

Recipe from Afibers site: http://www.afibbers....Wallerwater.pdf



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Posted 16 February 2019 - 10:21 AM

Why not just take a combo to get all the benefits. For me I don’t really get stomach issues so I take the following throughout the day:

400mg magnesium glycinate (Kal)
230mg Magnesium Malate (NOW)
150mg Magnesium Chloride (ReMag)
200mg Reacted Magnesium (Nutrabio)

And before bed 2085 Magnesium L- Threonate(Dr.’s Best)

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Posted 16 February 2019 - 11:04 AM

That's alot. 980mg plus the threonate one, how much elemental magnesium? No issues?

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Posted 16 February 2019 - 12:16 PM

That's alot. 980mg plus the threonate one, how much elemental magnesium? No issues?

Much less elemental.
100mg mag Glycine is 14mg so that’s 56mg
The NOW mag malate is 115mg elemental per pill so 230mg
I think mag chloride is 12% so that’s 18mg
The reacted magnesium is 100mg elemental
The L-threonate is 150mg

So 554mg elemental magnesium so that’s only 130%

No side effects and less I take too much in one dose but I typically do all the above minus the Lthreonate in the morning to early evening spread in three doses and then the Lthreonate at night. Surprisingly the only one that gave me the runs the first time I tried it or if I took more than one serving was the magnesium chloride.

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