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#1 KBAnthis

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Posted 29 July 2018 - 10:59 PM


I am going to start taking Magnesium Lysinate Glycinate and am wondering if anyone has any experience comparing it to Magnesium Bisglycinate Chelate. Both of which are manufactured by Albion here in the USA. I have been thinking of trying Magtein in the Future... does anyone have any experience with that either? I am wondering if the added lysine is going to be worth it.   From what I can gather so far it will be a good addition, but with the lower weight of the Magnesium Glycinate Chelate, I am wondering as there seems to be no statistical significance in absorption between the two according to Albion. They sent me an e-mail stating, "In in vitro tests using a Caco-2 cell model, there were numerical differences in absorption rate, but there was not statistical significance between them.  This means that from a statistical standpoint, they had equivalent absorption rates."  So I am wondering if anyone has tried them both and preferred one over the other, or if anyone has tried Magtein with either. I am new to the forum and this is my first post, so I hope everyone is met with good wishes, have a wonderful day!


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Posted 26 October 2018 - 06:17 AM

my bad keyboard glitch. but yeah apart from all that. if its cost efficient id go with Mg Lys Gly. Can never get enough lysine, its a pretty solid multipurpose amino that is easily excreted with no adverse side effects to high doses that i know of. i got my MgLT from nootropics depot and MgGly from BulkSupplements on amazon. NootDepot wasnt a bad price i think $35 for 125Gs and MgGly was maybe $27 for .5 kilo


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Posted 26 October 2018 - 06:17 AM

   personally i prefer regular old MgGly (diglycinate/bisglycinate chelate) for a number of reasons. Fastest absorption rate given the largest number of potential enzymes that can act on it to unhinge it and its elemental mg to molecular weight ratio (more economic as a result and less waste in the body), highest bioavailability, glycine having its own uses in the NS (of glutamatergic weak-stimulatory nature), lack of laxative effect, noticeable sedation aiding in anxiolysis altho somedays it hits me a little heavier than i'd like leaving me feeling slightly slow, among some more.

i use Mg L-Threonate as well and, if it weren't for the huge ratio between elemental to molecular weight, i'd be using it daily instead. Threonate having its benefits like lowering DHT (beneficial in prostrate cancers, hair regrowth, joint health/fluid retention); and in bonded, the molecule restores memory deficits caused by neuropathic pain and in Alzheimer's, and aside from what else we already know, i'm sure we'll see a lot more extraordinary pros in the near future. This unassuming chelated mineral analogue comes in handy when indicated in some outstanding arenas.

MgLT for leaves me with a steady calm that doesn't leave me feeling like i have to force focus and make efficient multitasking difficult to impossible, as MgGly can for me on days when i'm dehydrated/have allergies/not drinking or urinating enough. My only complaint, as aforementioned, about it is the 144mg elemental to 2000mg molecular leaving me needing 4570mg over the course of the day to reach RDA 320mg. 

 

     I know the typical RDA for men is 420 but, with the consequences of Mg overdose being as they are (bradycardia-> irreg heartbeat-> cardiac arrest, i already have minor kidney issues and pretty severe orthostatic hypotension) and the prevalence of the mineral in food, i see no reason to take so much. The body functions best with 50-85% of RDAs for the vast majority of vits and nutrients, split and spaced evenly over the day, as it is (except we're talking B vits aside from nicotinic acid/original b3, which causes nerve damage at unnecessarily high doses).

     



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Posted 26 October 2018 - 04:29 PM

I was a little happy about your post, but your pricing seems a little off on the Magnesium L-Threonate. 60 gms (not 120)  are around $35.  Capsules from sources such as Source Naturals can be had for less than $30 or actually  $26 (60 gms) for Source Naturals on amazon, or $46 (120 gms)

 

For me, I do not consider Magnesium L-Threonate as a source of elemental magnesium since I take other forms. For me,  I do believe (no proof) that it has a cognitive benefit. I have taken it periodically due to the high cost.

 

As far as high dose Magnesium concerns for you, it sounds like it is best to be safe. For me, and others who I have read about their experiences, very high dose Magnesium have not been an issue. Definitely spread out in multiple doses throughout the day. Everyone should be careful though.


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Posted 26 October 2018 - 09:32 PM

I personally like to use all forms. I take 230mg malate in the morning, 400mg glycinate afternoon, 300mg chloride early evening and 2 g Magtein before bed.

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Posted 27 October 2018 - 12:26 AM

Since posting this I have decided on using the Doctor's Best High Absorption Magnesium Powder with TRAACS. I tried 120 grams of MagTein and did enjoy it. I noticed some improvement in the areas they claim to improve and some others they do not mention. Improved cognition and perceptions were noticed. I had been taking around 1000 mg Calcium and 400 mg of Magnesium for a few months now but am going to try to lower the dosage to half this starting today 10/26/2018 at the time of this post. I am doing this as I have quit exercising recently. I have noticed deficiency at the rate and upped it to 1500mg Calcium and 600 mg Magnesium when I was doing heavy physical labor. The deficiency symptoms went away after upping the dose. I will adjust the dosage as  I see fit and recommend everyone do the same if they follow this forum. Naturally you should consult a licensed health care provider before following anyone's advice. Everyone is going to require minerals at the rate which they use them. I would like to see methods to show how much my body is using and storing. I have quit working out / weight training is why I am lowering the dose to start with. I may require more. I did not experience any side effects I noticed when I was using much higher doses of magnesium. When I lowered the dose I did not experience much difference. I can see why someone would use higher doses if intense physical stress is put on the body. Take everything with a grain of salt and be well. 


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Posted 10 January 2019 - 11:52 PM

Well I am still taking Calcium Bisglycinate chelate and Magnesium lysinate glycinate. I have since started adding in back Calcium lactate and eventually Magnesium lactate. The quality is super in the ALBION minerals. I love the extra boost of Lactate. For now I am taking all, and may in the future depending on availability, I have quite a bit of calcium bisglycinate still, and enjoy it. It is a different feeling then the calcium lactate. I enjoy a cup of coffee with a teaspoon of calcium lacatate in it. The Calcium Bisglycinate does tend to clump together unless I mix it in a little jar with some MSM and some Collagen powder ahead of time. If I just toss it in a cup it clumps together. It is very pure feeling.

 

I continue and plan to stick with ALBION trace minerals, except their copper, which I am using MitoSynergy. 

 

 

MagTein? Well, it was awesome.  I will order it again in the future. 

 

Maybe it was the copper 1, maybe it was the MagTein, maybe it was both, either way I enjoyed the MagTein and the mental boost it provided. 


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Posted 11 January 2019 - 06:44 PM

... I love the extra boost of Lactate. For now I am taking all, and may in the future depending on availability, I have quite a bit of calcium bisglycinate still, and enjoy it. It is a different feeling then the calcium lactate. I enjoy a cup of coffee with a teaspoon of calcium lacatate in it.

 

I also take Calcium Lactate. I mix it in my 1 or 2 meals a day. When I would only have 1 meal, earlier in the day, I mix it in water with a combination which sometimes includes Pink salt and Potassium Bicarbonate. I tried your coffee method today by frothing it into one of my cups of fatty coffee. It did not hurt the taste. It seemed to help it froth more. I used 1/2 level teaspoon which by my original estimate equals approximately 200 mg of elemental Calcium. You mentioned Magnesium deficiency symptoms. Would you share what those are for you, and how long they took to resolve?



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Posted 11 January 2019 - 11:52 PM

Adding calcium lactate is for the health benefits to me only. The taste is bearable but not palable by todays means. I enjoy the taste, since I am familiar with with what comes with it. It is not a sweet taste though, for the most part. I use a 7 oz coffee cup though, well it is an old bionature organic tomato paste jar that I pour coffee in. I started using glasses for water like a cooler, or the tomato paste jar, after I watched ethipian coffee ceremony. My hands are large anyway and coffee cups are not the most logical choice for me. I just grasp the end of the glass without the hot liquid in it normally. I like adding in a little bit of OptiMSM powder too. The lactate seems to really boost brain powder, and the copper 1 is really on the same level but another level of body operations.

 

I am not 100% sure on all the symptoms I had really. I got the magnesium powder since it seemed like a good idea when I was buying calcium powder, I had read that people should supplement calcium since it is not well absorbed from dairy, and that the soils are deficient in minerals.

 

There are no words to describe the feeling of adequate mineral intake. It is good feelings though that support life, vital, and needed! I came form the standard American diet and suffer the disabilities that come from it. I congratulate you for surviving to this point on the Standard American Diet. Mineral free food is truly torture. That is why we must supplement until the problems are addressed in a very scientific way, in the future.

 

I did get some muscle twitches when I was doing weight training when I first started, and was walking many miles a day. Do not wait to start supplementing , do not wait for symptoms to show, odds are you are starving for the minerals. Some mental fatigue was in the background. Fatigue, muscle weakness, low bone mass density. 

 

Consult a medical doctor if you are going to change anything in life, naturally. 


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Posted 12 January 2019 - 04:09 PM

KBAnthis, Thanks.



#11 KBAnthis

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Posted 12 January 2019 - 06:06 PM

What I must reccomend if you are enjoying this mixture, is copper 1 from MitoSynergy. I am taking about 2 mg of copper a day from this and can not reccomend it enough. I reccomend cruising thier website and reading the information. To me it is worth adjusting my dietary budget to include it. Until I make it big, which is from here to there or soon, I am not having vast amounts of material wealth. Hopeing for this in the near future, but it is worth adjusting your budget to include it is what I am getting at. The noticable differnce of the body not having to change copper 2 into copper 1 is amazing, that is if you even are getting enough copper 2. I am not sure on the details of all of it as I am not a scientist working in this field. I wouldn't enjoy giving up access to copper 1 niacin powder. Be sure to store it properly and not to contaminate the spoon. Take great caution in this. I personally drilled a hole in  a bottle lid and used plastic to then seal the bottle lid and bottle underneath closing the lid on top. Then I took a small piece of wire, like you would get from the label on a bunch of greens,  and poked a small hole in the plastic bag. I then put the spoon through the small hole to store the small blue spoon for the copper 1. I had some silica packs I tossed in the bottle. I may try a rubber glove instead of a piece of plastic bag to seal the bottle in the near future. I keep 2 spoons in one bottle, one for the copper niacin and one for the vanadium nicotinic acid (sp) that I get from pforlife A small spoon of it gives me probably 20-100 mcg of vanadium I don't recall off the top of my head.



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Posted 13 January 2019 - 05:10 AM

What I must reccomend if you are enjoying this mixture, is copper 1 from MitoSynergy. I am taking about 2 mg of copper a day from this and can not reccomend it enough. I reccomend cruising thier website and reading the information. To me it is worth adjusting my dietary budget to include it. Until I make it big, which is from here to there or soon, I am not having vast amounts of material wealth. Hopeing for this in the near future, but it is worth adjusting your budget to include it is what I am getting at. The noticable differnce of the body not having to change copper 2 into copper 1 is amazing, that is if you even are getting enough copper 2. I am not sure on the details of all of it as I am not a scientist working in this field. I wouldn't enjoy giving up access to copper 1 niacin powder. Be sure to store it properly and not to contaminate the spoon. Take great caution in this. I personally drilled a hole in  a bottle lid and used plastic to then seal the bottle lid and bottle underneath closing the lid on top. Then I took a small piece of wire, like you would get from the label on a bunch of greens,  and poked a small hole in the plastic bag. I then put the spoon through the small hole to store the small blue spoon for the copper 1. I had some silica packs I tossed in the bottle. I may try a rubber glove instead of a piece of plastic bag to seal the bottle in the near future. I keep 2 spoons in one bottle, one for the copper niacin and one for the vanadium nicotinic acid (sp) that I get from pforlife A small spoon of it gives me probably 20-100 mcg of vanadium I don't recall off the top of my head.

This post was made very misinformed, please see the mitosynegy website to understand why you need thier product, I do not think copper 2 can be turned into copper 1 like I quoted. My apologies,


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