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[orangish]

yeast, to put it straight and simply, and no other nonsense. Been on diflucan for a couple weeks and has done nothing for the itching etc. symtpoms. wondering if anyone has knowledge of supplements or more preferably information of what resistance to diflucan could mean and what that would lead to in terms of treatment. trying to be euphemistically undetailed while essentially inclusive.

[Brainbox]

Wrong diagnosis?
Primary cause not eliminated?

[scottl]

If you have resistant/longstanding yeast infection (female I'm assuming) then it is best approached from several..approaches.

1. "Stress"

Stress reduces your immune system' ability to cope and fight off invaders. If this applies and you do not put some energy into dealing with this, then it may be that nothing else will work. I've written a good article with some suggestions here:

http://www.mindandmu...eID=38&artID=30

2. Are you taking any supps? What is your diet like? Post an example of a day's diet? Do you get enough sleep? Are you taking/have you tekn a lot of antibiotics?
Do you eat a lot of sugar/carbs?

[orangish]

I wouldn't deny that I have stress, as I've been to this route numerous times. Stress comes from difficulty processing information, terrible difficulty which I don't think is related to simply stress, stress I think is a result of various, uncorrelated, cryptic symtpoms.

I also find that recently I've gotten into sleeping whenever I try and focus, about something stressful or nonstressful. Simply going to a park to read puts me to sleep, because my modicum of energy seems depleted, and I deplete even nonexistent stores with every action/gesture of mine...yet during the night, I have a quite shallow sleep, though for awhile it seemed to be regularizing.


Supplements:
1. liv52 2 tablets
2. astaxanthin 1 4mg tablet for now
3. vitamin c calcium ascorbate 3-6 g
4. AOR's super EPA 1950 mg
5. wholefoods multivitamin (grr don't have a link)
5.5 OPC's 4 50 mg tablets a day

5.75 diflucan--100 mg tablets...took 2 for 1 week, the 1 a day for 1 week, now at 1 every 3 days
6. Levothyroxine for supposed hypothyroid--or high tsh levels at least--50 mcg
And I'm undergoing targeted amino acid therapy from neuroscienceinc.net (ingredients listed under product information if necessary)
7. an amino acid blend called travacor--has 5-htp and theanine and gaba and glycine--5 capsules
8. an amnino acid blend called adrecor 6 capsules--has acetyl-tyrosine, alpha gpc, l-glutamine, green tea extract among others
9. 300 mg bacopa moneiri (@ 50% bacopa extract)
10. Jarrow brand probiotics 3 capsules http://www.affordabl...stive_aids.html
11. 3 capsules garlic which contain i think 500 mg each
12. 50-b-complex
...All this was or the latter bit was determined under supervision of a doctor.
Diet:
2 Eggs, some toast with cream cheese
apple or some other fruit
Lunch
some salmon

Dinner
falaffel pocket
brazil nuts interspersed for snacking. and usually ample amounts of water. of course just a sample. typical days are pretty variant.

Thank you though. Im quite positive it isn't stress, unless the sneaky character has inhabited me and I can't recognize. I don't think so. I think the stress comes after the fact that even in quite calm situations, quite undisturbed and unbusy schooldays of learning about language, or such, I realize, after 6 weeks of taking a course, that I haven't been able to read the syllabus. So I really don't know why I have these odd moments of half-realization, giving light into my inability.

[scottl]

orangish,

"Travacor--has 5-htp and theanine and gaba and glycine-"

This is a supp tranquilizer. Why are you taking it? I forget, but the bacopa may be mildly relaxing as well.

You are mostly doing the right things suppwise and dietwise, which reinforces my suspicions that it is....something other then that which is going to be adressed by diet and supps. A few suggestions:

1. Quality sleep is important. Things to try:
--time release melatonin
--ashwaganda
--inositol
--aerobic exercise. Start very slowly and work up. Do you get any exercise now?

2. make sure you have a portion of animal protein at least the size or your palm twice if not three times/day.

3. do not take more then...like 5 brazil nuts/day on a regular basis (do you hvae garlic breath and funny nails?)

"The most frequently reported adverse reactions of selenosis or chronic selenium toxicity are hair and nail brittleness and loss. Other symptoms include skin rash, garlic-like breath odor, fatigue, irritability and nausea and vomiting...Hair loss and fingernail changes (horizontal streaking, blackening, loss) were the most common symptoms."

4. Make sure the multiple has at least 15 mg zinc (gluconate, picolinate, etc).

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Please say more about what you mean:

Stress comes from difficulty processing information, terrible difficulty which I don't think is related to simply stress, stress I think is a result of various, uncorrelated, cryptic symtpoms.

Im quite positive it isn't stress, unless the sneaky character has inhabited me and I can't recognize. I don't think so. I think the stress comes after the fact that even in quite calm situations, quite undisturbed and unbusy schooldays of learning about language, or such, I realize, after 6 weeks of taking a course, that I haven't been able to read the syllabus. So I really don't know why I have these odd moments of half-realization, giving light into my inability.

[orangish]

I take the travacor to prevent against excitoxicity and to help me sleep at night, because I had gotten into the pattern of being jolted from my sleep in the middle of the night, and being tired but unable to return to sleep. I forgot to mention that in addition to the travacor I take 600 mg Ashw. to also enhance the sleep.

My animal protein intake is practically nonexistent, asides from dairy and eggs. So I'm pondering this one, though I get fat from other areas of my diet so I'm not sure this might be problematic based on the other supplements I'm getting.

My vitamin has about 13 mg zinc, I think, off the top of my head, but doesn't specify the form. Any opinions?

By "something other than that which can be helped by supplements" are you referring to stress? Because I'm not so sure there aren't other coexisting factors which for some reason aren't being addressed. But you are entitled to your opinions, and I'd be interested to hear why you think part of my condition is stress, if you indeed do. Perhaps there is a chance that it's slipped the hood over me, that its become too familiar to recognize. I am at a loss to know. The fact, however, of my wandering mind, which causes a lot of stress, somewhat like shifting clouds, seems to imply otherwise. And I will so explain what I meant from before, which you asked me to clarify:

I guess what I mean by the last bit, to somewhat find a way of concretely expressing how difficult it is to assess, and make sense at times. While I attempt to focus, i.e. put my mind to a specific subject, I find myself departing from the subject, and only able to think in a manner which I guess is based on chain reactions of ideas...i.e. I could be thinking about class systems and then that might take me to thinking about how I'm studying inside a room that reminds me of some beloved author's shambled abode/studio...unruly thoughts that are unnecessarily and unproductively amblesome. Although i am attempting to use discipline to reign in my focus, I do have to say that I can't think many crucial matters through in a satisfactory way simply because of the fact that my mind is reluctant to focus when I take the initiative to make the selection of what to focus on. To compensate, I do this travelling around the world bit, where I have to think of every possible argument, or opinion and then eventually come to my own. Jobs, because of this become a nightmare. I have to explore every possible existing job and then use that generated list to eliminate either unpractical or undesirable. What I mean is I can't think thoroughly enough through my interests or anything to come to definitive impressions, feelings, basically trying to incorporate knowledge into my own form, if that makes sense. So I compensate the way my brain sees fit. I know this sounds like such a trivial conflict, and I am trying to pull away, but despite quite consistent and strong attempts, I keep facing the reality that my thoughts refuse to break from this inefficient pattern. Sigh. I don't know seem to be able to even explain my situation to myself in any other way. Mind over body doesn't unfortunately work in my case.

[scottl]

orangish,

Reviewing your previous posts, I see we've had this conversation before (leaky gut thread).

1. you mentioned salmon above so it didn't occur to me that your diet was almost devoid of animal protein. Basically protein is needed to repair tissues. Not enough protein, your body can't repair itself. You would do well eating some steak for a time, but as I imagine that is unlikely I would suggest eating salmon every day. Tuna, chicken, salmon, steak, cottage cheese, whey protein, brown rice protein (the one that is mostly protein...

http://www.nutribiot...riceprotein.htm

are good also.

Divide your bodyweight in half (assuming you're not too overweight--if so, just use half the weight you would be if you were lean--in pounds) and you need that many grams of protein/day (more would not kill you). This is based on your condition. If/when you heal, you may very well need less.

Oh and you don't list digestive enzymes. They are recommended. I like broad spectrum plant based ones e.g. google similase. THink sold at like rite aid drugstores or some such now.

2. My opinions are based on doing consulting work with people for a number of years and running across similar patterns. Could I be wrong? Sure. Is it likely? I don't think so.

3. What you describe is what the mind does (part III of my article at M &M will talk abotu this more....likely to be published in the may issue). The way to deal with it is meditation. This kinda slows the mind down and gives you some space from the thoughts. The article above talks about the mini-meditation and then an extended version. I would suggest doing the extended version for 10 minutes when you first wake up every morning. Set a timer which does not make any noise for 10 minutes. Doint it once or twice during the day for a few minutes would be nice too.

"Mind over body doesn't unfortunately work in my case."

It most certainly does. That is precisely the problem, though you may not appreciate it at this moment.

EDIT: nothing said here should be construed as medical advice. jsut what I would do if I were in your situation.

[REGIMEN]

Cut the wheat(toast, "pocket" for falafel), dairy(creamcheese), and do not take inositol as it can have similar activity as sugar. Also, avoid fruit...take up more vegetables. No juices of any kind unless solely vegetable.

Eat organic chicken, salmon, veal, turkey (sausage,mmm), and perhaps some high quality beef. No pork(corn-fed, corn off the eat-list, too, as with soy). Melatonin in this state(as per our PMs) will only enforce the "wake up after few hours, still tired, can't get back to sleep" state [IME].

[scottl]

Even time release melatonin?

[xanadu]

lipex wrote:

"do not take inositol as it can have similar activity as sugar."

I never heard that before. It is sweet tasting but so are other things. Where do you get the information that inositol has similar activity as sugar?

[REGIMEN]

I would venture to say that inositol is sugar-like in the way it is digested and absorbed. It was one of those supplements I wondered about during a period of rather simlar symtomology as orangish...one day I came across something stating a little more clearly what I did here. Wish I saved the link.

[Shepard]

What actions are you saying that insitol has similar to sugar? It is a carbohydrate, but the insulin release is very miniscule at the doses people use for anxiety.

[scud]

orangish- If you are serious about getting rid of a yeast infection..........first go on a very low carbohydrate diet ie. less than 20gms. next, get some good probiotics( I believe they have been covered here in the past)and last but not least up your intake of medium and short chain fatty acids. Coconut oil and butter are your best sources of these.

[REGIMEN]

12-20g is a miniscule dose, shepard?

From the looks of it, inositol is a simple-carb which I see, and react to, as a sugar.

A most delicious treat, but one which goes against my regimen and the one being discussed, is sliced FRESH Italian bread spread THICKLY with a mixture of ghee and coconut oil that is whipped together with 2-4 cloves of pressed fresh garlic per slice with copious amounts of oregano. Top with parmesan cheese, toast til it melts through the strata of the good lordy bread and drown the sting of the garlic on the tongue with an ice cold Killians. Or breast milk. Your choice. Really.

[Shepard]

Everything points to it causing a very small rise in blood sugar. Even 20 x "a little over nothing" still isn't much.

D-Chiro-Insitol has been shown to help reverse insulin resistance. I don't think you can buy it anywhere, though.