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[ahnenerbe]

I wonder about one thing: when taking a multivitamin such as Ortho-Core, when would be the ideal moment to take the pills? During an alkaline digestion (fruits, vegetables) or during an acid one (sugars, carbs, protein)? Which one would permit the optmial absorption of the nutriments provided by the multivitamin? This may be of importance.

[Shepard]

You're overthinking this, IMO. Just have some fat in the meal.

[goku]

So it sounds as if most believe Ortho Core is indeed better than the LEF mix. I think the LEF mix is at least much stronger by the looks of it on paper looks better as it has more ingredients, and more of them. But I know Ortho Core has better versions of a few things than the LEF mix. Having trouble deciding....

[opales]

So it sounds as if most believe Ortho Core is indeed better than the LEF mix.  I think the LEF mix is at least much stronger by the looks of it on paper looks better as it has more ingredients, and more of them.  But I know Ortho Core has better versions of a few things than the LEF mix.  Having trouble deciding....

IMO it appears LEF thinks more is better whereas AOR sees better is better. Here is AORsupport taking on LEF mix:

http://www.imminst.o...t=0

http://www.imminst.o...=20

[brutale]

I take 6 Ortho-Core caps per day.

I think it is excellent. I have (minor) concerns about the lithium orotate - where the arguments for its inclusion are weak, imho. I would prefer a lower dose of selenium. So, I am more comfortable with 6 than 9.

I just had an extensive lab work-up done, and I was surprised that my (blood) selenium levels are somewhat too high. I have been averaging 250-275mcg / day for several years. I am going to stay under 200 for a while.

The alternative to Ortho is LEF Mix. It contains two synthetic sulfur-containing antioxidants - thiodipropionic acid and dilauryl-thiodipropionate, if my memory is correct. I'm not confident about the long-run safety of these compounds, although they do not appear to be very toxic. My view is that Orthocore has a better balance on the tocopherols, a better zinc / copper balance, a more sensible dosage of vit c and the b complex and so forth.

I have no major objection to the LEF Mix, but Ortho-Core seems to be marginally better formulated. I could live with either, actually.

[Ghostrider]

You're overthinking this, IMO. Just have some fat in the meal.

Better to take with meal or empty stomach?

[Shepard]

You're overthinking this, IMO. Just have some fat in the meal.

Better to take with meal or empty stomach?

With the meal.

[neogenic]

With it listed here in the thread that splenda may have been an issue. BTW, the data I've seen says the chlorinated aspect of it is a non-factor, never breaking free...but I of course prefer stevia or lo han or even real honey.

Anywayyyyyyy, they listed here on this site that bioperine is satan incarnate as a compound.

This is the quote:

To quote AORsupport from Imminst.org:
"Unless you have a totally toxin-free diet -- no overcooked foods, no pesticide residues in your meats and vegetables, no trace quantities of mycotoxins in your bread, etc -- and unless you have no sex steroids in your system, you rely on these processes to protect you against cancer on a continuous basis. Inhibiting them for a few hours every day to get better bioavailability out of your supplements is rather to mix up one's priorities."

Then it ends up in their new resveratrol product. That kind of worries me. I've always put AOR atop the mountain for quality...though I do think geronova's on the money with DHLA/R-ALA together. Thoughts? Does this bother anyone else?

[shamus]

I have no major objection to the LEF Mix, but Ortho-Core seems to be marginally better formulated.  I could live with either, actually.

Rumour has it that you could live without either! [:o]






With that said, I'm contemplating moving to Ortho-Core... [sfty]

[garlicknots]

An year or so late, but I take about 6.

I weigh ~115-120 and I downsize my doses accordingly. I think that makes sense. If it doesn't, give me a heads up.

I also have a logistic problem taking more due to my work lifestyle.

Oh well.

[Ghostrider]

An year or so late, but I take about 6.

I weigh ~115-120 and I downsize my doses accordingly. I think that makes sense. If it doesn't, give me a heads up.

I also have a logistic problem taking more due to my work lifestyle.

Oh well.

Yeah, let me know too. I have been going 6 per day, partly because I figure that the recommended dosage is for someone around 180-190 lbs and I scale the dosage proportionally and also because I want to stretch the supply as far as possible. 9 a day turns into about a $45 per month habit. Does it make any sense for someone who weighs 120-125 lbs to take any more than 6 per day?

[wayside]

I take only 4/day (220 pounds) to fill any holes in my diet, because I assume my food is providing me with a reasonable amount of nutrition.

If I didn't eat, I would consider taking a full dose.

[neogenic]

With it listed here in the thread that splenda may have been an issue.  BTW, the data I've seen says the chlorinated aspect of it is a non-factor, never breaking free...but I of course prefer stevia or lo han or even real honey.

Anywayyyyyyy, they listed here on this site that bioperine is satan incarnate as a compound.

This is the quote:

To quote AORsupport from Imminst.org:
"Unless you have a totally toxin-free diet -- no overcooked foods, no pesticide residues in your meats and vegetables, no trace quantities of mycotoxins in your bread, etc -- and unless you have no sex steroids in your system, you rely on these processes to protect you against cancer on a continuous basis. Inhibiting them for a few hours every day to get better bioavailability out of your supplements is rather to mix up one's priorities."

Then it ends up in their new resveratrol product.  That kind of worries me.  I've always put AOR atop the mountain for quality...though I do think geronova's on the money with DHLA/R-ALA together.  Thoughts?  Does this bother anyone else?

Can someone respond to this? I really would like to hear thoughts on AOR's reversal, after such strong statements. Does that undermine your trust in this company at all?

[mr objective]

Considering buying Ortho Core, here are my concerns:


I believe they come in some kind of capsule form? Can someone explain what this is exactly?

Do the capsules absorb well?

Are they those packed tight tablets, or something else?

Can you get it in a powdered form?

Is there any research to show it is absorbed well by the body?

No -- I don't think its possible to feel much in the way of noticeable effects from a multivitamin, unless you had some deficiency that is now corrected. Its more a peace-of-mind thing.

its more of a piece of mind thing!??!!? darn

, so why doesn't being healthier (if this pill works) have any impact on how you feel? This makes me questions its effectiveness.

Thanks guys, Ortho Core is really expensive for my budget, so I want to make sure its good =D

Also, I heard AOR's essential mix is powdered form, is it as good as Ortho Core?

[Ghostrider]

Are they those packed tight tablets, or something else?

The capsules contain powder.

so why doesn't being healthier (if this pill works) have any impact on how you feel?

I believe that it promotes health so it is kind of a piece of mind type of thing. On the other extreme, I could eat a really horrible diet, high calorie intake fast-food all the time, and I honestly probably would not feel too different than I do now. But if I kept doing this for the next 20 years, then I am sure I would feel a lot different compared to if I had chosen a different diet. The effects may not be immediate. But I figure that a better diet pays off. It might have improved my skin quality and made my hair slightly thicker, but I cannot tell for sure, could be completely placebo.

[mr objective]

I believe that it promotes health so it is kind of a piece of mind type of thing.  On the other extreme, I could eat a really horrible diet, high calorie intake fast-food all the time, and I honestly probably would not feel too different than I do now.  But if I kept doing this for the next 20 years, then I am sure I would feel a lot different compared to if I had chosen a different diet.  The effects may not be immediate.  But I figure that a better diet pays off.  It might have improved my skin quality and made my hair slightly thicker, but I cannot tell for sure, could be completely placebo.

So what can you do to feel more energetic everyday, and increase skin quality etc from the inside, if multivitamins don't? I thought multivitamins + exercise + good diet + good sleep = energetic day

would exercise + bad diet + good sleep = energetic day, because it isn't for me right now.

[macanizer]

In the next few weeks I'll be running out of my current multi (Usana) and I'm going to order Ortho-Core. This place has it for $35 a bottle http://www.uniquenut....asp?itemid=204 and just wanted to see if anyone had any experience with them. They carry a few LEF supps as well. Anyways, I just thought I share, hopefully somebody can post another source for even cheaper Ortho-Core multivitamins.

[wayside]

I ordered my last batch of Ortho-Core from Unique Nutrition, it showed up in a reasonable amount of time, no problems.

Their checkout page was a tiny bit confusing because after choosing a shipping method, the cost for it didn't show up on the last page (it still showed as $0.00 for shipping), but the correct amount was charged.

They are the cheapest site I have found; there are a few Canadian sites that came close, but the shipping was more and you have to worry about customs.

[Bghead8che]

Old thread, I know...

I was wondering since this supplement is "based on science" how did they come up w/ the amounts of B-Vitamins? What studies back up their specfic dosages?

I'm curious because everyone includes different amount of B-Vitamins and their amounts are all over the place.

-Brian

[krillin]

Old thread, I know...

Don't apologize. You were absolutely correct to do it this way. See Zoolander's edict here. I've started only three new threads here, and in hindsight shouldn't have started any of them.

I was wondering since this supplement is "based on science" how did they come up w/ the amounts of B-Vitamins? What studies back up their specfic dosages?

I'm curious because everyone includes different amount of B-Vitamins and their amounts are all over the place.

-Brian

An easier question to ask is, are there any studies that would justify the ordinary person taking more than AOR provides? It would be news to me.

[sUper GeNius]

With it listed here in the thread that splenda may have been an issue. BTW, the data I've seen says the chlorinated aspect of it is a non-factor, never breaking free...but I of course prefer stevia or lo han or even real honey.

Anywayyyyyyy, they listed here on this site that bioperine is satan incarnate as a compound.

This is the quote:

To quote AORsupport from Imminst.org:
"Unless you have a totally toxin-free diet -- no overcooked foods, no pesticide residues in your meats and vegetables, no trace quantities of mycotoxins in your bread, etc -- and unless you have no sex steroids in your system, you rely on these processes to protect you against cancer on a continuous basis. Inhibiting them for a few hours every day to get better bioavailability out of your supplements is rather to mix up one's priorities."

Then it ends up in their new resveratrol product. That kind of worries me. I've always put AOR atop the mountain for quality...though I do think geronova's on the money with DHLA/R-ALA together. Thoughts? Does this bother anyone else?

No piperine? Then no pepper. Actually, I believe the piperine in their product is simply a few milligrams of black pepper.

[Bghead8che]

Old thread, I know...

Don't apologize. You were absolutely correct to do it this way. See Zoolander's edict here. I've started only three new threads here, and in hindsight shouldn't have started any of them.

I was wondering since this supplement is "based on science" how did they come up w/ the amounts of B-Vitamins? What studies back up their specfic dosages?

I'm curious because everyone includes different amount of B-Vitamins and their amounts are all over the place.

-Brian

An easier question to ask is, are there any studies that would justify the ordinary person taking more than AOR provides? It would be news to me.

I see no study that would suggest more B Vitamins for the average person but I do wonder howe did they come up w/ those numbers? 2.5mg of one and 100 of two others.

[stephen_b]

Another question I have is about ortho-core's suitability for children old enough to swallow a pill. Children's multivitamins are not the best quality, and with the ortho-core dosage split over 9 for the old formula or 6 for the new, would a single pill be a good supplement for a 55 pound 7-year-old?

Stephen

[doctordog]

does anyone know if it's safe to take Ortho-Core while on an MAOI?