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[Karomesis]

I know Pete is a sponsor of this forum, but I just had to give his company credit for being one of the finest I have ever had the pleasure of doing business with. [thumb] I have ordered 6 times from him and each time the order seems to arrive within 3 days. [:o] I am not an affiliate or a part of his company, but I deeply respect his assistance and would like everyone to know his company is one of the best I have seen.

I highly reccomend the company in your quest for supplements. [glasses]

[ajnast4r]

seconded. pete is a great guy, personally and professionally

[doug123]

A lot of companies like to "talk" about their quality -- but that's all it is -- talk.

Pete's a sharp fellow who thinks for himself. And I would have to say I like the way he thinks.

Pete has demonstrated superior intellect and leadership on more than one count that I am fully aware of. Coming out with his own line of nootropics -- and doing all the footwork to ensure they are safe and pharmaceutical grade -- which is a real pain in the butt -- was perhaps one of the best moves he ever made that also benefits everyone taking these rare compounds.

And as far as I know (trust me) -- he's the first US nootropic company to certify the chemical composition of his nootropics via an HPLC assay in purity, as well as perform full microbiological profiles and assays to ensure his products are free of IQ lowering heavy metals -- at FDA registered -- and accountable laboratories. That's one way I can easily say he's without peer. Instead of doing the least he can do, he goes the extra mile to make sure you actually get what you pay for -- and you do. The nutritional supplement business is a shady place, and he's standing on a shaft of light. [thumb]

I can't even recommend my own nootropics to people I know because I can't certify (via an independent test) their purity to be higher than his line.

Peace.

[DJS]

I can't even recommend my own nootropics to people I know because I can't certify (via an independent test) their purity to be higher than his line.

Boy, that's a brutally honest statement!

[doug123]

A lot of "forums" I have been to have "sponsors" -- however, better watch out about even "mentioning" a competitor! They might ban you -- just for that. Oh, and make sure NEVER to ask about their quality control procedures -- because most supplement vendors do not have ANY and sell you the cheapest "ingredient" they can get their hands on.

It ain't like that here. You are on your own with your product -- and are accountable to intelligent folks. We want to see some evidence before we'll believe any old line of BS.

[curious_sle]

All i can add is doing Business with Pete is bliss. Everything worked out wonderfully so far :-). Anyone considers buying supplements? Pete's is da place. I even did my own firefox search extension so if i see something i like i quickly check with Relentless if they have it etc with like two clicks :-)

[Centurion]

I'm seriously considering going with Pete here. Bulknutrition seems to be a lot cheaper, but it gives off vibes of being unpure? Im with QHI right now and I just checked out the price of 120 piracetam and 120 centro including UK delivery from both QHI and RI - for what is almost a 2 month supply RI is considerably cheaper at 40 GBP as opposed to QHI's 60. However as a student, I would find over 20 pound a month quite steep for such a small stack, does anyone actually know just how much purer this is than the likes of bulknutrition?

If I know the stuff has shelf life, I might just buy a load of it next time I come across some cash. Think UK customs and excise would rape me for VAT?

[doug123]

I cannot really say anything negative about any other company. It is bad form.

However, I can tell you that Pete has presented substantial evidence to support the claim that his Piracetam is the purest available anywhere. He doesn't just talk -- he acts. And he knows we want to see some proof, as we are not totally retarded, nor are we gullible.

Piracetam (120 count -- bottled August 2005) -- 100% pure by HPLC, free of lead and microbiological contamination



Piracetam -- assay on finished product (180 count -- bottled April 2006): free of heavy metals and microbiological contamination:

[jackinbox]

If relentless offered bulk stuff, I would order more from them. I understand that bulk is the lowest end of the market and people are going to order from the cheapest supplier no matter the quality. Do you know a supplier that sell bulk and do contamination test?

[psychenaut]

Hi All,

Haven't been on the forum in ages, and could not have been more shocked to find this thread. Thank you all for the kind comments and feedback. Thank you too for your trust and support, I promise to keep fighting the good fight as long as you keep supporting the cause with your purchases and referrals.

The 3rd party COA's for Sulbutiamine, Oxiracetam and new Piracetam 180 count bottles are finally posted. Sorry for the long delay! The "Method Number ALC518A" is the HPLC analysis used and reported as active ingredient per capsule. (every lab reports HPLC results differently). I will get the actual chromatagrams posted this week. The Sulbutiamine was not HPLC'ed becase a standard proved to be impossible to locate. A MP had to suffice. As always the lot number/code on the COA ties to the product that arrives in your order. No other supplier in the world that I know of can offer you that protection and verification.

I am (finally) looking at sample bottles of liquid (!) and salt form (powder) pramiracetam on my desk. Cheerfully delivered to me in person by my pharmaceutical intermediate supplier. Pic of the samples. As the liquid is totally vile tasting and the viscosity of cold honey, I am going to order the powder and likely have it tabletted as it tastes equally vile. Also very hygroscopic so I may have to do blister trays to protect each tablet from moisture. More research needed before I can bring this to market. Expect at least 60 more days for a retail product. BUT, it is real and happening. Pricing not locked yet (while less than the old European suppliers, it won't be cheap).

Centurian- No worries on shelf life, my Centrophenoxine exp date is Jan 2009 and the new 180 count Piracetam is April 2009. All my Centro is refrigerated (heres proof) until delivery to you to further insure potency and freshness.

Your comment

"However as a student, I would find over 20 pound a month quite steep for such a small stack, does anyone actually know just how much purer this is than the likes of bulknutrition?"

gets to the exact point. Purity is unknown until tested by an independant 3rd party. VAT hurts but nearly as much an unknown quality product. May I respectfully add: don't qualify your question by saying you are a student. Does that fact make you any less deserving of the best product that you can find? My whole business is based on the price/value proposition. Or:

"The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price has been forgotten"

To bring a high quality product to the public costs money, there is just no way aroud it. I would challenge you instead to ask yourself when you shop for supplements, what is being left out of the process that allows the price to be so low? [cry] There is no free lunch.

Lots of fun and interesting things to come this year. As always, if you desire a personal response please do not post to the forum, instead send me an email directly from the link on RelentlessImprovement.com

Cheers,
Pete

[Shepard]

Care to hint any about the lipoic acid info that you mentioned in your blog, Pete?

[doug123]

If relentless offered bulk stuff, I would order more from them. I understand that bulk is the lowest end of the market and people are going to order from the cheapest supplier no matter the quality. Do you know a supplier that sell bulk and do contamination test?

People concerned about their IQ and general health know that brain upgrades won't be available at Wallmart...for a pretty long time at least.

If you want the CHEAPEST, I sell it at nootropikshop.com. However, I cannot verify the safety or purity of this stuff -- and I won't even take it. And right on the COA it says it could be hazardous to your health if you do choose to ingest it -- I consider this a research chemical (as I cannot verify its purity) -- so I assume most of my customers for this product are folks whom intend to use it as an art decor (as its crystalline appearance is a schweet decoration or can be used as pretend jewelry for your kids!) or for perhaps research purposes. I openly display the COA which clearly says more QC needs to be performed before ingesting it.

So you can't sue me if you get heavy metal (or any other type of) contamination, as we include this COA with each and every shipment. I would prefer not to sell this product at all, but have already taken a profit loss on it, so I wallmart it out for $12.25 per 500g. Good luck improving your IQ with this stuff. I would stick with Pete's certified stuff for now if I was remotely concerned about getting an intelligence improvement.

Check out this COA:

http://nootropics.ip...-1148158679.jpg

Edit: hell, I won't even sell this stuff. I changed my mind. I don't want to sell something potentially hazardous. That's bad form. I will remove this from commercial availability tonight. Anyone want to buy 10 kgs of DNP Piracetam? I'll sell it for real cheap...

[Centurion]

Hi All,
Your comment
gets to the exact point. Purity is unknown until tested by an independant 3rd party. VAT hurts but nearly as much an unknown quality product. May I respectfully add: don't qualify your question by saying you are a student. Does that fact make you any less deserving of the best product that you can find? My whole business is based on the price/value proposition. Or:

To bring a high quality product to the public costs money, there is just no way aroud it. I would challenge you instead to ask yourself when you shop for supplements, what is being left out of the process that allows the price to be so low? [cry] There is no free lunch.

Yes, you're perfectly right. No point in taking chances with the brain. You're obviously the highest quality available and considerably cheaper (£20 GBP per order despite international shipping) than my current supplier, QHI. Shame I just bought off them but once my next batch is up I'll be a new regular.

The vat thing won't be a problem I'd imagine, ill just keep the individual order sizes low.

Centurion

[Centurion]

Just to clarify for other UK customers, according to revenue and customs for an order worth over £18 your supplements would attract 12.8% duty. They're unclear on VAT, it must be decided on a per package basis. In any event the example order of 120 piracetam and 120 centro still wouldn't exceed the cost of ordering from my previous supplier QHI even in the worst case scenario regarding charges.

[doug123]

I know Pete is a sponsor of this forum, but I just had to give his company credit for being one of the finest I have ever had the pleasure of doing business with. [thumb]

It's not exactly a coincidence that Pete "happens" to sponsor this forum. It's good to know the ImmInst leadership wouldn't just "whor" out their members to just any company for a sponsor. ImmInst started out with AOR, and they did not want to settle for a sponsor that might endanger the readers of these forums by selling the cheapest stuff they could import from China. I was given the opportunity to present my case for sponsorship, but once Bruce found I was encapsulating at my apt. he was like "heck no, no way!" to my proposition to sponsor -- smart move considering the Cali Dept. of Health paid me a visit. I don't even really do much except manage my business anymore -- at this point, all I do is set up the bottle runs, arrange orders, etc. I don't process orders, ship them, package them, etc anymore. But at that time, I thought the nootropics weren't legal, that's why I was doing it all myself. According to this FDA document, I was not breaking the law...but I live in California...In some states, nootropics are still grey area. Even though all my stuff (even my capsules!) was returned to me, I understand their reasoning for going with Pete. One day I hope to maybe work with Pete on some of the nootropic stuff. We'll see.

Peace out.

[jackinbox]

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Edit: hell, I won't even sell this stuff. I changed my mind. I don't want to sell something potentially hazardous. That's bad form. I will remove this from commercial availability tonight. Anyone want to buy 10 kgs of DNP Piracetam? I'll sell it for real cheap...[/quote]

Why don't you test your test since it doesn't cost that much to test? That way, we could buy tested bulk at a fair price.

[doug123]

What kind of testing do you think I should perform considering that stuff cost me $11 a kilo? I will still sell it, I change my mind -- but I have to change the product page to a new version of that COA with the disclaimer circled -- so folks cannot purchase a questionable product "by mistake." It also says at the store's front page to examine each product COA before purchasing.

I so behind in my homework I really can't do too much else right now. Back to work for me. Peace out.