QUOTE (prometheus)
Adam, like any other member here, is entitled to the right of rebuttal. Furthermore, he acted on my advice to initiate a new topic for his rebuttal and thus not derail existing threads.
Ad hominems, however, will strictly not be tolerated. You are strongly advised to exercise strong self-moderation if you are to have the opportunity to defend your ideas and character. This is the last warning I can give you on such matters after which the moderators here will act according to their obligations and view of what is appropriate content. This is the last time I will intervene.
Once more: if you have a legitimate rebuttal, exercise it, but only once you are sure it does not contain an ad hominem attack.
Wow. I did not see this.
The bottom line is the issue of accountability for your actions and statements. Matter of presentation is irrelevant when you are right and everyone else is wrong on an issue as pertinent as the issue of medical misrepresentation at an institute whose mission is to fight involuntary death. When I was banned from here, I was banned for ranting about an issue that is now of *sudden* importance (some other stuff too, I don't quite recall). Yes, my presentation was crazy (I was crazy) and I see that now it was best to have banned me at that time.
It might mean something if an issue could be addressed differently or perhaps better, but when you are wrong,
you are wrong. And when it might affect adversely the mission of this organization, accountability should be no joke if this organization should be taken seriously.
The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.-
Martin Luther King We learned who the leaders are here during and after the LM thing. I saw Bruce, a lot of prometheus, a lot of Jay, Don, Mind, Opales, Dukenukem, a bit of Rebo too, and that's about it (*I might have forgotten someone -- wait, was I just getting covered in LM's feces or could you perhaps see me in there?). Maybe there was some more stuff going on that I did not see behind the scenes, but it was these guys who did something -- or took a stand -- during and after to help clean up the mess. Why did everyone else up there disappear when it mattered most?
What are you saying, dude? I clearly addressed xanadu's ad hominems against me. Then I addressed his clear insults and addressed his insults to the members and leaders of this organization, with citations. Nothing could be more legitimate that addressing unsubstantiated, unmoderated (for months now!) baseless attacks and ad homs --
during the middle of a crisis -- still available to any reader interested in clicking on the topic. What kind of standard is that to set? Shouldn't those baseless attacks be removed; especially if they are baseless and outlawed in the constitution of this organization?
Of course I understand if folks thought this or that and think differently now. But those attacks xanadu made were never addressed once -- and still remain unmoderated. It is
a bit of a double standard to all of the sudden be so serious about the issue of ad homs when some are sitting right in front of our faces -- and have been for months, unmoderated. During the middle of that terrible thoughts topic, I saw no leader moderate
any of those
extremely harsh ad homs. Oh, the rules don't apply because it was Adam Kamil. Well, whoops, he "happened" to be right. I must still be a bad guy if you leave ad hominems just sitting there. Let's just ignore the past because it was ugly? Let's not forget history, accountability, and the importance of recognizing our past mistakes.
I was trying to resolve these issues. Perhaps xanadu had me mixed up with someone else? That's what I was trying to do. If I failed, please show me how I can approach it differently.
I hold strongly to what I said. I am requesting xanadu to explain why he attacked me, or hold to the only other theory he offered.
Otherwise, I disagree with the leadership stance on the issue.
Jay: It is irrelevant about what folks thought/think here about me in my opinion. Leadership or not. Yes, some should be embarrassed for carrying Edward's torch for so long, and they should apologize to the public and be accountable, especially if they expect to be re-elected.
I am accountable and apologize for all of my mistakes, no matter how embarrassing -- as soon as I recognize them. And I have no designs on any political position here.
I expect the same from anyone else.
Peace.
Edited by nootropikamil, 30 May 2006 - 04:25 AM.
