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#1 farshad

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 03:00 PM


Hello I am in need of magnesium desperately in the form of injections..they need to offer delivery to EU.

 

Could I just buy Epsom salt and turn it into an injectble form? is that possible? since that's what the prescription magnesium sulfate is? 

Magnesium sulfate is a common mineral pharmaceutical preparation of magnesium, commonly known as Epsom salt,

If anyone has any advice on how to turn the Epsom salt and inject it let me know. I have never done this before.

Do I need to dissolve the salt in something or clean it and make it so you can use it somehow? And do I shoot it in IM or IV? I guess I shouldn't worry about overdosing magnesium since it is pretty safe and your kidney can easily excrete excess amounts. Where do I get syringes and needles? What else do I need? distilled water, sterile water or ethanol? etc

 

https://en.wikipedia...e_(medical_use)

https://en.wikipedia...gnesium_sulfate


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Posted 10 December 2019 - 05:23 PM

How do I make it into a sterile water solution? Does anyone have an PDF guide on how you make injections? 

 

https://www.reddit.c...njectable_form/

https://www.reddit.c...njectable_form/

https://www.reddit.c...njectable_form/

 

https://www.myprime....ction_Guide.pdf


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#3 farshad

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 06:49 PM

Guys, what do I need from here to make the Epsom salt into injectable? https://science.bio/supplies/

deionized water, ethanol or propylene glycol? Or can you use plain water from your tap? Or does the Epsom salt need to dissolve it does dissolve in plain water does it not? Can you use DMSO as a dis solvent too and inject? Would it dissolve easier in warm water?



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Posted 10 December 2019 - 08:31 PM

 

..they need to offer delivery to EU.

 

Mg-sulfate IVs are non-prescribtion in Germany. I just walk to the next pharmacy in Austria, they order it for me, 2 days later it arrives. 1 packet with 5 ampoules for 5 IVs with import tax costs about €17,-. That's the packet insert: https://www.patiente...ungskonzentrat/ you can translate it very accurate with: https://www.deepl.com/

 

Should be possible to ordered from pharmacies in all countries within the EU.

 

 

Don't take the high risk and make IVs yourself.


Edited by pamojja, 10 December 2019 - 08:34 PM.


#5 farshad

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 08:57 PM

Mg-sulfate IVs are non-prescribtion in Germany. I just walk to the next pharmacy in Austria, they order it for me, 2 days later it arrives. 1 packet with 5 ampoules for 5 IVs with import tax costs about €17,-. That's the packet insert: https://www.patiente...ungskonzentrat/ you can translate it very accurate with: https://www.deepl.com/

 

Should be possible to ordered from pharmacies in all countries within the EU.

 

 

Don't take the high risk and make IVs yourself.

It is prescription where I live though.



#6 pamojja

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 09:11 PM

Does it matter? Just put its name in a search engine, find a german online pharmacy, and order it. There wont be any customs within the EU inferring with it.

 

 

However, I strongly advise you to find a GP willing to do it for you.

 

From the level of your questions its clear you have no idea what you're doing, and could really hurt yourself.



#7 farshad

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 09:26 PM

Well yeah, It matters if I have to walk into a pharmacy here and ask them to order it for me. But now you are telling me you can order it yourself, I assume the one you linked you can't order by yourself? If you know of any let me know. No I don't know what I'm doing but I wanna learn, which I have the right to do just like you, at least I'm asking the right questions, would you rather me pretend like I know what I'm doing? I wanna and trying to learn so I can do it right. 



#8 pamojja

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 10:15 PM

It matters if I have to walk into a pharmacy here and ask them to order it for me. But now you are telling me you can order it yourself, I assume the one you linked you can't order by yourself? If you know of any let me know.

 

I simply don't have the need to search for an online provider, like you may have. The next pharmacy is just one door further from my door. But since its comes from German pharmacies, I'm sure without searching that online German pharmacies do sell it too.
 



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Posted 10 December 2019 - 11:08 PM

I googled German pharmacy this was the first thing that came up: mycare.de

The search is confusing (a lot of different results) but I think they have what I'm looking for https://www.mycare.d...mpullen-8626762 and syringe https://www.mycare.d...ritzen-00569898 it seems expensive. It looks like you can order prescription (costs money) but you said magnesium is prescription-free so I assume I don't need it, but don't they care about the laws in countries where it is prescription? couldn't they get in trouble? Well, do needles come with syringes? do I need a particular size or how do I know I'm taking the right dosage? They also ship with DHL and accept paypal which is awesome, but the translation is still confusing and I don't know if it is scam or not... They even stated if you can't find a product you're looking for you can contact them and they will sell it just for you (in the FAQ).. You can also buy as guest, so it means that you don't even need prescription? Or just non-prescription products? Syringes are non-prescription and legal I assume in Germany, but not here. But damn I don't think they ship to Sweden. I'm gonna E-Mail them and ask hopefully they answer in English.



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Posted 10 December 2019 - 11:52 PM

I told you to search for that particular product name, not just any German pharmacy. The product you found only contains 2 mmol Mg, not 20 mmol as the one I linked to. And is totally overpriced. You're really in such a desperate situation to ask me to google it for you? Here you go: https://duckduckgo.c...%&t=ffsb&ia=web

 

Scroll down that list past the many online paket inserts and other general information. And my warning again: In no case don't do it yourself! But get a medical professional onboard. These ampoules have to be desolved into sterile saline or glucose solutions first. And are adminished by IV drips over about an hour, not syringes. You don't have the required knowledge to do that without doing harm to yourself.

 

I already posted to you an excellent translation service, just in case, here again: https://www.deepl.com/

 

 


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Posted 12 December 2019 - 06:45 PM

Guys, is it as easy as mixing sterile water (cooked water) with the Epsom salt then inject it IM? Wouldn't cooking the water with Epsom salt not only kill the bacteria but also the magnesium? Isn't tap water already pretty clean? What I have to worry about is regarding if the Epsom Salt I buy is contaminated right? How can I clean the bacteria in the Epsom Salt without destroying the magnesium in it?

 

https://www.reddit.c...ake_injections/



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Posted 13 December 2019 - 01:15 PM

You might first educate youself about the pollution remaining in drinking water after being boiled, before injecting such a soup of dangerous chemicals into your blood.



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Posted 13 December 2019 - 08:33 PM

This is the Epsom salt I'm getting it has some other ingredients: https://www.indigowi...0f0dd6fdcceb02/

 

 

what's inside? ingredients you can pronounce.sea salt, magnesium sulfate (epsom salt), fragrance (fragrance & essential oils), limnanthes alba (meadowfoam) seed oil, and rosmarinus officinalis (rosemary) leaf extractScentFrankincense and Myrrh

 

I have choose IM intramuscular injection since they seem safer than IV and second best.

 

But the other ingredients worry me, so is it possible I can mix it with DMSO together to make sure they're dissolved because I think it might be dangerous to inject something too thick in size that hasn't been broken down which usually your digestive system does to smaller cells and particles before sending into your blood stream?

 

This is were I wanna inject it: IM04_vastus_lateralis_retina.jpg?w=1155&

But I don't know how far I need to go with the needle, do I just go as far down until I feel it hit the bone then move back little and shoot?

 

So if I cook water (and wait for it to cool down), then put the Epsom salt, then pour some DMSO just incase, is that good enough to use?

 

Also, regarding the poster above, how is Epsom salt dangerous chemicals? It is just magnesium.

 

I also know I have to watch out so I don't hit a vein by drawing back the syringe/needle somehow? And if there's bubbles in the syringe I just move the syringe until all the bubbles are gone which can be done by waiting too. I haven't had time to do REAL research BTW, why? I have very bad fatigue and brain fog. btw epsom salt is not a salt just chemically structurally similar


Edited by farshad, 13 December 2019 - 08:36 PM.


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Posted 18 December 2019 - 02:57 PM

 

Toxicity is not a threat if magnesium is given orally, but if injected, it can be fatal.

“The body controls magnesium very tightly, but when you inject, you override those controls,” Worth said. “Then the magnesium level goes up very high, and it stops the heart, hits the brain, and the human dies. Taking it by mouth, it can't be toxic because it has a laxative effect. It just comes flying out the other end.”

why is it that epsom salt baths are safe then?


Edited by farshad, 18 December 2019 - 02:58 PM.


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Posted 18 December 2019 - 07:19 PM

why is it that epsom salt baths are safe then?

 

I don't think there's any scientific proof that it absorbs topically (never felt anything from epsom salt baths), also, you can put lots of stuff in there, like take a plant oil bath and be fine, but try to inject it and that might result in departure to the other side. Oral magnesium is well absorbed, not sure why you need an iv injection, maybe it's justifiable when someone's severely deficient which is rare. Quick google search gave me these warnings regarding iv mg:

 

 

 

WARNINGS

Magnesium sulfate (magnesium sulfate (magnesium sulfate injection) injection) should be given very cautiously in the presence of serious impairment of renal function since it is excreted almost entirely by the kidneys.
 
The principle hazard in parenteral magnesium therapy is the production of abnormally high levels of magnesium in the plasma. Such high levels may cause flushing, sweating, hypotension, circulatory collapse and depression of cardiac and central nervous system function. The most immediate danger to life is respiratory depression.
 
During the period of parenteral therapy with magnesium salts, the patient should be watched carefully. A preparation of calcium, such as the gluconate or gluceptate should be at hand for intravenous administration as an antidote.
 
In the presence of severe renal insufficiency, no more than 20 grams of magnesium should be given within a forty-eight hour period. In eclampsia, however, renal function is not seriously impaired and magnesium may be more rapidly excreted.
 
This product contains aluminum that may be toxic. Aluminum may reach toxic levels with prolonged parenteral administration if kidney function is impaired. Premature neonates are particularly at risk because their kidneys are immature, and they require large amounts of calcium and phosphate solutions, which contain aluminum.
 
Research indicates that patients with impaired kidney function, including premature neonates, who receive parenteral levels of aluminum at greater than 4 to 5 mcg/kg/day accumulate aluminum at levels associated with central nervous system and bone toxicity. Tissue loading may occur at even lower rates of administration.
 
PRECAUTIONS
When barbiturates, narcotics, or other hypnotics (or systemic anesthetics) are to be given in conjunction with magnesium, their dosage should be adjusted with caution because of the additive central depressive effects of magnesium.

https://www.rxlist.c....htm#overdosage

 

Edit: about oral magnesium, forgotten to mention that magnesium sulfate is not the best choice as it acts a laxative and I don't know whether every epsom salt on the market is food grade.


Edited by spike, 18 December 2019 - 07:39 PM.


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Posted 18 December 2019 - 07:38 PM

This product contains aluminum that may be toxic. Aluminum may reach toxic levels with prolonged parenteral administration if kidney function is impaired. Premature neonates are particularly at risk because their kidneys are immature, and they require large amounts of calcium and phosphate solutions, which contain aluminum.

 

https://www.rxlist.c....htm#overdosage

 

How comes there would be aluminium in Mg-sulfate IVs? Would make absolutely no sense. From the packet insert of mine, with no mention of aluminium:

 

 

The active ingredient is magnesium sulphate.

1 ampoule of 10 ml solution:

magnesium sulfate heptahydrate: 4930 mg

Magnesium content: 486.1 mg = 20 mmol = 40 mval

The other component is: Water for injection purposes



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Posted 18 December 2019 - 07:51 PM

How comes there would be aluminium in Mg-sulfate IVs? Would make absolutely no sense. From the packet insert of mine, with no mention of aluminium:

 

Not sure, in another drug description I've seen 'may contain aluminum', could it be that it's hard to clear it of all pollutants 100%?


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Posted 18 December 2019 - 08:04 PM

Another explanation from this study: https://www.ncbi.nlm...pubmed/20467015

 

 

 

RESULTS:

Currently available products used to prepare parenteral nutrition solutions as well as injectable medications usually administered to premature neonates present aluminum contamination. Bags, burettes, and syringes were also contaminated by aluminum to some degree, which may be leached during use.

CONCLUSIONS:

Commercial products are the main source of aluminum in parenteral nutrition; nevertheless, manipulation, containers, and administration sets increased aluminum levels by about 40%. Because this is a significant rate, these sources should be taken into account when calculating the amount of aluminum delivered to the patient in order to comply with FDA standards.

 


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Posted 18 December 2019 - 10:27 PM

Oral magnesium is well absorbed, not sure why you need an iv injection, maybe it's justifiable when someone's severely deficient which is rare. Quick google search gave me these warnings regarding iv mg:

I have IBS, crohn's disease and celiac disease (possibly more) so my absorption is heavily impaired barely anything gets absorbed in my small intestines.  my GI tract is heavily inflammerad due to stress which is a master activator of something (I forgot what) but something along the lines: stress increases CRH in the gut which leads to oxidativ stress and inflammation and if the stress persists for a long time your health just goes down and never heals so everything just gets worse from absorption, to creating energy, more stress = so on and so

 

that's why I wanna inject magnesium, I have tried oral magnesium does not work neither does anything else I take orally. But I know if I can somehow get magnesium in my system since it's vital for energy creation and many other things (has role over 1000 enzyme reaction) I know my body will heal it self. Because I once accidentally sprayed magnesium cholride in my eye or it was the epsom bath I had but I felt tons better. Magnesium flakes didn't work though.

 

I have one last thing I wanna try before I try injecting epsom salt which is use DMSO with the epsom salt and see if that increases the absorption or works any better on the skin. Oh yeah, transdermal/topical magnesium or other things does not work either, i couldnt give you an answer as to why. I know I sound crazy probably.

 

There has only been very few things that I feel effect from when taken orally, and for some reason Epsom salt bath worked ,I think ,no idea why or like I say it could have been the accidental magnesium I sprayed into my eye I dunno. When I take DMSO I only feel the garlic breath for like 5 seconds then goes away, my body quickly gets it out of my system, and I dont think anything crosses my BBB.. it feels like my immune system or something is working very hard and just wont let anything foreign in. I have tried all possibly routes of taking drugs none works only thing i have yet to try is injections


Edited by farshad, 18 December 2019 - 10:49 PM.


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Posted 19 December 2019 - 09:16 AM

that's why I wanna inject magnesium, I have tried oral magnesium does not work neither does anything else I take orally. But I know if I can somehow get magnesium in my system since it's vital for energy creation and many other things (has role over 1000 enzyme reaction) I know my body will heal it self. Because I once accidentally sprayed magnesium cholride in my eye or it was the epsom bath I had but I felt tons better. Magnesium flakes didn't work though.

 

Just because you don't feel anything from supplemental forms does not necessarily mean it wasn’t absorbed. Have you done some bloodwork to know for sure? Everything's important if you have a deficiency be it a mineral, or a vitamin, or a hormone.
 
Also, now I remember that once I bought some cheap epsom salt from an online store and it turned the water yellow, was even afraid to bath in that swamp not to mention iv or even taking it orally. Stuff that are not meant for injection should definitely not be injected.
 
I've stumbled upon pharma grade magnesium with dmso on amazon: 'DMSO & Magnesium Oil Mixture by Dr. Hartmut Fischer (3.4 Oz - 100ml), Pharmaceutical Grade, High Purity.', though some ppl complain it's solid and hard to keep liquid by heating it. More search results: 
 
btw, according to NIH (https://ods.od.nih.g...thProfessional/) sulfate form (ie epsom salt) is not the most bioavailable:
 

 

Forms of magnesium that dissolve well in liquid are more completely absorbed in the gut than less soluble forms [2,14]. Small studies have found that magnesium in the aspartate, citrate, lactate, and chloride forms is absorbed more completely and is more bioavailable than magnesium oxide and magnesium sulfate [14-18].

Glycinate is a good form as well.



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Posted 20 December 2019 - 01:49 PM

do not buy this it does not even dissolve in water it just stays rock solid. Unlike other salt i've had which looks like actual salt and not small rocks that stay rock like even when water touches! what a waste of time and money.

https://www.indigowi...0f0dd6fdcceb02/

 

this brand works though I know https://wepersonalca...nd-epsom-salts/ you can find it on iherb.


Edited by farshad, 20 December 2019 - 01:50 PM.


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Posted 28 December 2019 - 04:13 AM

Is it easy and safe to make and use magnesium eye drops from magnesium chloride sprays or sulfate/epsom salt eye drops? All I found about it was this:

 

 

 

Personally I have just had two cataract operations and I used magnesium chloride eye drops that I made up myself using this pure magnesium oil diluted 15 parts distilled water to one part magnesium.

 



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Posted 11 January 2020 - 09:11 AM

How are you doing, farshad, did you try dmso with magnesium?

Unfortunately I don't know anything about eye drops, but I have another idea: suppositories, they're as close as you can get to IV injections, and do not require any special equipment or skills, the only downside-they're pricey compared to regular magnesium pills, seen on amazon calcium + magnesium for $50, Medicardium magnesium $89 per 10 pieces  :|o





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