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[kurdishfella]

How many times do you need to take this, daily? and which ones? and dosage? Is this a complete list https://www.health.h...ing_of_vitamins

 

-minus the FLUORIDE,  CHLORIDE and CHOLINE.

 

It is prescribed right. and best injection method?

Edited by kurdishfella, 06 July 2020 - 09:45 AM.

[kurdishfella]

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Edited by kurdishfella, 08 July 2020 - 03:33 PM.

[kurdishfella]

water is absorbed n large intestine but what about the essential omegas?  

 

 

The human body is capable of producing all the fatty acids it needs, except for two: linoleic acid (LA) - an omega-6 fatty acid, and alpha-linolenic acid (ALA) - an omega-3 fatty acid. 

where are they absorbed? surely they have some absorption in stomach or big intestine. has they been to injected? do they have to be injected 

Edited by kurdishfella, 09 July 2020 - 04:19 PM.

[kurdishfella]

are blood tests accurate for vitamin/mineral deficiencies?

 

Only two fatty acids are known to be essential for humans: alpha-linolenic acid (an omega-3 fatty acid) and linoleic acid (an omega-6 fatty acid)

 

Humans require thirteen vitamins in their diet, most of which are actually groups of related molecules (e.g. vitamin E includes tocopherols and tocotrienols):^[13] vitamins A, C, D, E, K, thiamine (B₁), riboflavin (B₂), niacin (B₃), pantothenic acid (B₅), vitamin B₆ (e.g., pyridoxine), biotin (B₇), folate (B₉), and cobalamin (B₁₂). The requirement for vitamin D is conditional, as people who get sufficient exposure to ultraviolet light, either from the sun or an artificial source, synthesize vitamin D in the skin.

amino acids

Histidine (H)

Isoleucine (I)

Leucine (L)

Lysine (K)

Methionine (M) 

Phenylalanine (F)

Threonine (T)

Pyrrolysine* (O)

Tryptophan (W)

Valine (V)

 

Minerals:

 

https://en.wikipedia...ents_for_humans

 

[kurdishfella]

high doses 

Vitamin K - Produced in the body

Vitamin D - can get from sun or absorbed in stomach 

Vitamin B3  (niacin) - easily absorbed in stomach

Vitamin C - easily absorbed in stomach or mouth because: Vitamin C does not require digestion prior to being absorbed into intestinal cells. There is active transport of the vitamin at the intestinal mucosal brush border membrane. Both ascorbate and dehydroascorbate are absorbed across the buccal mucosa by carrier-mediated passive processes.

Iron - absorbed easily in stomach

sodium easily absorbed in stomach

Chlorine absorbed in stomach

Magnesium absorbed in stomach or big intestine

Potassium - Potassium is intrinsically soluble and quickly dispersed in the luminal water of the upper digestive tract. The small intestine is the primary site of potassium absorption, with approximately 90% of dietary potassium being absorbed by passive diffusion.

Lithium easily absorbed almost everywhere orally (not essential though?)

calcium possibly absorbed in stomach or big intestine or colon

Phosphorus not sure.

Omega 3 and 6 possibly absorbed also in stomach or somewhere but the small intestine or not essential

 

 

 

I might be off where the absorption happens with these but from my experience these can be absorbed somewhere anywhere else but the small intestine because mine is 100% damaged but I still somehow managed to absorb them in the body.

IMO amino acids might not be essential.

 

 

So left are: Vitamin b1, b2, b5, b6, b7, b9, b12, vitamin A, E, zinc, Manganese, copper, Iodine, 

Chromium, Molybdenum, Selenium, Cobalt

I need to make a Inject able (IV) shot with these and possibly calcium and phosphorus. And find out the dosages. Total of 18 vitamins and minerals.

 

Edited by kurdishfella, 15 September 2020 - 03:01 PM.

[kurdishfella]

Oh Selenium, calcium, copper and phosphorus  small percentage is absorbed in big/large intestine or stomach:

 

Calcium that reaches the large intestine undergoes absorption there by both active and passive processes. Probably no more than 10% of total calcium absorption takes place in the large intestine, whether calcium intake is low or high

 

Most of the inorganic P/phosphorus  (Pi) absorbed is from the small intestine, though at higher intake of P some net absorption of Pi also occurs from the large intestine (Care, 1994). Net absorption of P from the large intestine in sheep ranges from 2 to 30% of the P flow entering the large intestine (Breves and Schroder, 1991).

 

Copper absorption occurs in the stomach and small intestine

 

Selenium is mainly absorbed in the duodenum and caecum (big intestine)

 

can someone help make this out for me? https://www.nrcresea...4141/cjas90-109

Is it saying low levels of zinc and Manganese is also absorbed in big intestine and or stomach etc?

 

Zn, lower (P<0.01) solubility at TI wirh less (P<0.05) absorbed from large intestine (LI); Fe/Iron, more (P:0.06) absorbed from LI with lower (P<0.01) fecal excretion; P/phosphorus  , lower (P<0.05) input to stomach region with a tendency fbr less (P:0'08) absorbed from small intestine (SI); Na/sodium, less (P<0.05) absorbed from LI; K/Potassium , lower (P<0'05) apparent digestibility. Effects of S: Mn/Manganese , slight tendency for higher (P:0.10) absorption distal toPD;Zn,lower (P<0.05) solubility at PD; P, less (P<0.05) absorbed from SI and LI; Mg, tendency for less (P:0.07) absorbed from stomach region and trend for more (P:0.b8) absorbed distal to PD. Minerals other than Cu were influenced by Mo and S in the digestive tract of cattle.

 

If this is the case then left are the vitamins and minerals: Vitamins b1, b2, b5, b6, b7, b9, b12, vitamin A, vitamin E, Iodine, Chromium, Molybdenum and Cobalt.

 

I assume chromium, cobalt, molybdenum and iodine are also absorbed in small amounts outside of small intestine? Heck they all might be absorbed in little amounts in other places but the small  intestine? including proteins, fats etc or? maybe the importance is HOW MUCH is absorbed

 

(edit) Absorption and Metabolism. Iodide absorption takes place predominantly in the stomach and upper small intestine. The different forms of iodine are reduced to iodide in the gut before absorption [1,3]. ... Other tissues take up small amounts of iodine, including the salivary glands, gastric mucosa, and choroid plexus.

 

I will just skip Chromium, Molybdenum and Cobalt for now and focus on these Vitamins b1, b2, b5, b6, b7, b9, b12, vitamin A, vitamin E,

Edited by kurdishfella, 20 September 2020 - 08:58 PM.

[kurdishfella]

the bulk of the fluoride remained in the stomach, only approximately 25% of fluoride absorption had occurred from the stomach and 75% from the small intestine. After 120 min, 19.8% of total fluoride absorption had occurred from the stomach. Although the stomach is unquestionably a significant site for fluoride absorption, its contribution is much smaller than that of the small intestine.

[kurdishfella]

Oh b12 already contains cobalt hence its name Cyanocobalamin (Vitamin B12). So if you take b12 supplements you are taking both b12 and cobalt?

Is cyano b12 and cobalamin is its attachment? Why does it need cobalt attached? To work properly or be recognized by the body?

 

And regarding Phosphorus and the omega 3 and 6 im sure are absorbed somewhere outside of small intestine in small amounts just enough to keep the body going. 

Edited by kurdishfella, 14 November 2020 - 09:40 PM.

[kurdishfella]

when you take an drug your body will do its best to get rid of it so it activates urine and your colon to poop to take it out asap before it is introduced in the blood stream. But if you hold your urine and poop the drug some of it can absorb through the thin walls.

[kurdishfella]

 

https://pubmed.ncbi....ih.gov/9015133/

The interindividual differences in total chromium uptake and excretion are plausibly explained by ingestion of appreciable doses on an empty stomach, which likely results in the formation of well-absorbed Cr(III) organic complexes in gastrointestinal tissues and possibly the blood.

 

 

Molybdenum is vital for many processes in your body. Once you eat it, it is absorbed into your blood from your stomach and gut, then carried to your liver, kidneys and other areas. Some of this mineral is stored in the liver and kidneys, but most of it is converted into a molybdenum cofactor.

 

[kurdishfella]

The reason I exclude vitamin B3 because it is the most water soluble and is absorbed very well outside of small intestine.

Because it is needed to break down the essential  macronutrients (proteins, carbohydrates, and fats) which also can take place outside of small intestine in big intestine.

[kurdishfella]

 

 

Also well recognized now is the fact that the large intestine possesses specific and efficient uptake systems to absorb a number of water-soluble vitamins that are synthesized by the normal microflora. This source may contribute to total body vitamin nutrition, and especially towards the cellular nutrition and health of the local colonocytes

So the big intestine can also absorb b vitamins? It says a number of them, so not all? Or is it only b vitamins created from the bacteria in the big intestine? If that is the case if your immune system is dysfunctional and you have celiac or other gut issues you will have more bad bacteria thus less of the good bacteria to create vitamins.

Edited by kurdishfella, 30 November 2020 - 05:29 AM.

[kurdishfella]

 

 

Probiotic bacteria positively impact the immune system and the composition and functioning of the gut microbiota [4]. Furthermore, the production of vitamins has resulted in many healthy benefits to the host. Probiotic bacteria, mostly belonging to the genera Lactobacillus and Bifidobacterium, confer a number of health benefits, including vitamin production [5]. Probiotic bacteria, members of the gut microbiota, are able to synthesize vitamin K and most of the water‐soluble B vitamins, such as biotin, cobalamin, folates, nicotinic acid, panthotenic acid, pyridoxine, riboflavin, and thiamine, in humans [6]. https://www.intechop...biotic-bacteria

why isn't there a probiotic that has these specific strains that produce vitamins in the big intestine and absorbed there?

Edited by kurdishfella, 01 December 2020 - 05:05 AM.

[pamojja]

why isn't there a probiotic that has these specific strains that produce vitamins in the big intestine

 

In fact, all commercially available probiotic contain Bifidobacterium and Lactobaccilus - the 2 mentioned in your quoted article. The problem is rather: one has to take them indefinitely since they most often are simply unable to recollonize the intestinal tract.

 

There are other bacterial strains already in one's gut also involved in vitamin production. For example my only ubiome test showed no Bifido and Lacto, but the total gut microbiome is still able to produce the following in my case:

 

 

Probiotic Microbes:

    0x than Selected Samples (Lactobacillus, Bifidobacterium; These are samples from individuals who report no ailments and high levels of wellness.)

    0.24x than Selected Samples (Akkermansia)

Probiotic Foods Microbes:
 
    0x than yogurt, pickles and sauerkraut consumers

Microbial Diversity:

    8.60 out of 10 diversity score (Microbial diversity scores can range from 0 to 10, with 10 being the most diverse. Most people have a score between 6 and 9. A score of 10 — maximum diversity — is not common.)
    
Alcohol and Your Microbes (microbes often reduced in people whose alcohol use is damaging their gut barrier):

    0.87x than Selected Samples (0.85x in Alcohol Consumers)
 
Alcohol Metabolism (compared your abundance of two groups of bacteria):
 
    1x of Accumulators (those that turn alcohol into toxic acetaldehyde)

    10x of Decomposers (and those that then break it down: Lactobacillus, Streptococcus, and Bacteroides)
 
Sleep Microbes:

    - Serotonin-producing microbes (Streptococcus and Enterococcus):

    0.14x than Selected Samples

    - GABA-producing microbes (Lactobacillus and Bifidobacterium):

    <0.05x than Selected Samples
  
 Vitamin-Producing Microbes:

    - Vitamin K (bacteria which use vitamin K1 to produce vitamin K2):
 
    3.30% compared to Selected Samples

    - Vitamin B9 (folate) producing bacteria:

    31.33% compared to Selected Samples

Nutrient Metabolism:

    - Complex Carbohydrates metabolizing bacteria (Bacteroides, Roseburia, Butyrivibrio, Ruminococcus, Bifidobacterium, and Prevotella..):

    82% compared to Selected Samples

    - Lipid metabolizing bacteria:

    61% compared to Selected Samples

    - Amino acid metabolizing bacteria:
 
    38% compared to Selected Samples
   
TMA-Producing Microbes (gut microbes that produce trimethylamine (TMA), a chemical that is later converted within the body to trimethylamine N-oxide (TMAO):

    0.53x than Selected Samples

 

http://www.microbiomeprescription.com/ - which keeps more up to date with the scientific literature - came up with the following due to the same ubiome lab-result:

 

 

    Biotin (Vitamin B7)
    66.5 %
   
    Butyrate
    106.8 %
   
    Cobalamin (Vitamin B12)
    109.1 %
   
    Folate (Vitamin B9)
    73.9 %
   
    gamma-Amino butyric acid (GABA)
    0 %
   
    Niacin (Vitamin B3)
    69.3 %
   
    Pantothenate (Vitamin B5)
    67.9 %
   
    Riboflavin (Vitamin B2)
    74.9 %
   
    Thiamine (Vitamin B1)
    62.4 %
   
    Vitamin K
    35.3 %

 

As you can see, ther're quite a lot of vitamins still produced by gut bactera present other than Bifidobacterium and Lactobacillus, which my gut doesn't contain.

[kurdishfella]

Lactobacillus and Bifidobacterium are just names to describe a family of bacteria.

 

Several lactic acid bacteria (LAB) species (e.g., Lactococcus lactis, Lactobacillus gasseri, and Lactobacillus reuteri) and Bifidobacterium (e.g., B. adolescentis) produce these vitamins, often in large quantities.

 

Now the ones marked is what you are supposed to be looking for in the genera. And I couldn't find any of these on my/the site I use (IHERB), they did contain Lactobacillus and Bifidobacterium but with different species, if that makes sense? Not the right ones. I could find maybe 1 or 2-3 right ones .

 

Anyway, not gonna waste my time on it probably not gonna do anything like most things ive tried.

Edited by kurdishfella, 01 December 2020 - 03:37 PM.

[kurdishfella]

The absorption of minerals primarily takes place within the small intestines. As food matter passes through the intestines, minerals transfer into the blood stream through the walls of the intestines by way of the villi (see Figure 3). This can only happen if the minerals are in an ionic form. Although stomach acid helps ionize the minerals in foods, a mineral supplement should contain already naturally ionized minerals to be fully absorbed.

“Trace minerals do not exist by themselves but in relationship to one another. Too much of one trace element can lead to imbalances in others…Most trace elements need to be in ionic form to be well absorbed in the intestine.” —Alexander G. Schauss, Ph.D.https://www.tracemin...-ionic-minerals

Edited by kurdishfella, 03 December 2020 - 12:52 PM.

[kurdishfella]

What Are Ionic Minerals?

 

Getting minerals in an ionized form is how plants and animals were designed to absorb inorganic minerals. (Inorganic substances, like rocks and similar matter).

 

Plants are like little sprouting factories where they make their own food. They take in the inorganic minerals through their roots from the dirt (the dirt is partially made up of crushed rock). Then the plants change the minerals into organic, ionized form—the form of minerals that can be used by your body.

[kurdishfella]

https://old.reddit.c..._vitamins_with/

https://old.reddit.c...bsorption_does/

Im taking zinc hopefully it can improve my b vitamin creating microbiome bacteria and vitamin k etc in the big intestine

Edited by kurdishfella, 04 January 2021 - 01:17 AM.

[kurdishfella]

vitamin k helps with blood clot maybe it can increase drug transferring troughout body

[kurdishfella]

Which are the most important vitamins and minerals? Which can your body Afford to be deficient in more than others I.E least important? Are Amino Acids etc even really essential? Like calcium how important is it really? it is essential yes but your bones were soft and flexible / fragile when born so why can't it also reverse and be safe/fine in adulthood?

Edited by kurdishfella, 20 January 2021 - 02:41 PM.

[kurdishfella]

wonder if manganese sulfate and iron with vitamin c added are absorbed well

[kurdishfella]

gonna check out a vitamin IV therapy place no need for doctor or anything

Edited by kurdishfella, 08 February 2021 - 03:02 AM.

[kurdishfella]

where can I get this? '' NEEDLE-FREE INJECTION – Portal PRIME: A Digitally Controlled, Cloud-Integrated Jet Injection System''

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what is all this https://www.ondrugde...-and-available/

Edited by kurdishfella, 08 February 2021 - 03:06 PM.

[kurdishfella]

Guys today I got an b vitamin injection at those IV places cost a penny yes. But it worked as I expected. I feel pretty good the second I got it injected in me. BUT according to my doctor my blood tests are NORMAL.... So if my blood tests are normal, and I feel like shit, but then when I take a vitamin injection and all my problems go away, maybe there is some fault with the accuracy of the blood tests perhaps? ever thought of that? And its not placebo, because I felt my bones get harder immediately. 

[kurdishfella]

for the time  i feel energy and good when eating food. If you take say a vitamin like vitamin C, even though your body can absorb it, if you are deficient in b vitamins, you will not absorb because your metabolism will be dysfunctional

[kurdishfella]

Also well recognized now is the fact that the large intestine possesses specific and efficient uptake systems to absorb a number of water-soluble vitamins that are synthesized by the normal microflora. This source may contribute to total body vitamin nutrition, 

 

 

If your health is so down the gutter your microflora will not be able to produce any b vitamins if at all.