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[Consequences]

So the USA is blocking all shipments of piracetam from entering the country since about a month ago. It seems to be fallout from this: https://arstechnica....reading-labels/

 

I live in the UK and import it from the USA via that popular, super reliable nootropics company in arizona.

I've got 3 capsules of it left (ie enough for today) then I'm out and can't buy any more. I'm going to try an online pharmacy but it's iffy in the UK due to draconian drug rules and customs officials (basically pro big pharma fuck everything else).

I'm wondering if I should look at replacing it with something else instead like noopept?

Piracetam has changed my life, made me more present, mindful, got rid of a lot of anxiety when stacked with choline/alcar/aniracetam, and generally made my life much better but now I can't source it anymore.

Is anyone else in the same boat? What do?

Edited by Consequences, 27 August 2020 - 02:32 PM.

[moomoo]

I last got mine online from here: https://www.4nrx-uk....-piracetam.html I would also advise trying phenylpiracetam: https://reachgenius....lpiracetam.html

 

[Avila]

I'm in the US and absolutely in the same boat as you. I've been searching but cannot find a single supplier in the US that is currently stocking it. I'm sure overseas orders would not make it through customs, so I'm not even looking there.

 

I've taken Piracetam for about eight years on a near daily basis at between 1200 and 5000 mg per day. I've been without it now for several months. Like you mentioned it gave me a great sense of mindfulness and presence. It's proven for me to be the most effective treatment for social anxiety by far. I've used many other anxiety treatments which successfully treat general anxiety and panic but do nothing to really help social anxiety specifically, at least not the way Piracetam does. I currently use clonazepam daily, which staves off the panic attacks and anxiety episodes but also makes me sleepy and demotivated. Piracetam wasn't stimulating for me at all but it did provide a certain energy and mood lift and made it so enjoyable to actually be around people and interact with others in social settings, something I never experienced before Piracetam. The world just felt so much more welcoming and cheery. Unfortunately, my antisocial tendencies have returned since I've stopped taking Piracetam. I'm actually quite bummed about it. Of course the current pandemic climate doesn't offer many social opportunities anyway and certainly hasn't made my anxiety/depression any easier.

 

I've tried most of the other racetams but none work the way Piracetam does for me. Aniracetam and Noopept both give me an intense sort of rebound anxiety and don't have the same life brightening effect that Piracetam has. Coluracetam sometimes (maybe 20% of the time) feels very similar to Piracetam, but it's inconsistent and it gives me an annoying feeling of mild arrogance, best way I can describe it. 

 

It really annoys me how the news article accuses Piracetam of being a dangerous drug. That's just not true. Piracetam has many years of research proving it's safety. It actually has one of the best safety profiles of any drug on the market today.

 

It's sad for me to think I may never again experience the peace and simply happiness and the relief of my social anxiety that Piracetam gave me.

 

[experimenting]

Isn’t NootropicsDepot still shipping Piracetam at least domestically?

[Avila]

They were until a couple of weeks ago. I'm pretty sure they are out of stock now. I read mention of it on Reddit. Before they ran out they had also implemented a strict account authorization process for anyone purchasing it. You had to declare with documentation including your photo id and your professional affiliation with a research lab or other qualified establishment. Even if you passed all of that they no longer offer any way to pay with a credit card. The primary payment method is cryptocurrency and that's quite a bit more trouble.

[experimenting]

They were until a couple of weeks ago. I'm pretty sure they are out of stock now. I read mention of it on Reddit. Before they ran out they had also implemented a strict account authorization process for anyone purchasing it. You had to declare with documentation including your photo id and your professional affiliation with a research lab or other qualified establishment. Even if you passed all of that they no longer offer any way to pay with a credit card. The primary payment method is cryptocurrency and that's quite a bit more trouble.

Ive emailed ND. Let’s see what they come back with.

Hopefully new administration doesn’t focus on any of this.

I do like Pir and miss it.

Are the other racetams comparable?

[kurdishfella]

This is a off topic, but I was listening to Obama's speech and the moment he said ''Consequences'' after I had glanced on the title thread I looked at the name and it was also ''Consequences'', at the same second... this has happened before to me which is creepy. Wonder if there's a meaning to this.

Edited by kurdishfella, 05 October 2020 - 04:12 PM.

[experimenting]

I emailed ND, they got back to me with generic commentary about the regulatory environment being unfavorable. Once again, we’ll have to hope that a new administration looks more favorably on this.

Damn shame.

I wonder if it’s possible to buy overseas? Then you can probably buy it and travel with it, since it is not a scheduled drug.

[prunk]

I have a large box of UCB Pharma Nootropil 1200mg, which I don't use anymore almost at all. If somebody is interested, throw me a message.

[YOLF]

This is really sad. I feel for you guys. I've read lots of commentaries from people with positive success stories and I know how much they say this stuff can be of benefit, not just for cognition, but also those who came here trying to escape Alzheimer's and other diseases or who were looking for their own self metered alternatives when other things didn't work for them.

 

But I suppose that since the side effects listed in the article and presumably the complaint don't match those which are to my memory the actual list of side effects, I have to imagine that piracetam was being used to hide other substances... As far as I remember from reading this stuff, the only side effects were more vivid color perception and headaches if you didn't take it with a choline source.

 

Hope you guys find a solution.

[experimenting]

This is really sad. I feel for you guys. I've read lots of commentaries from people with positive success stories and I know how much they say this stuff can be of benefit, not just for cognition, but also those who came here trying to escape Alzheimer's and other diseases or who were looking for their own self metered alternatives when other things didn't work for them.

But I suppose that since the side effects listed in the article and presumably the complaint don't match those which are to my memory the actual list of side effects, I have to imagine that piracetam was being used to hide other substances... As far as I remember from reading this stuff, the only side effects were more vivid color perception and headaches if you didn't take it with a choline source.

Hope you guys find a solution.

It’s ridiculous. I used Pir for 2 years, it was really great. Side effects sure, it does act on your brain, made me a little irritable, lethargic at times, comes with the territory though. Nothing permanent, all side effects completely disappeared after 1-2 days clean.

Silly. I don’t know the situation well, what’s the FDA up to?

[bosharpe]

Ive emailed ND. Let’s see what they come back with.

Hopefully new administration doesn’t focus on any of this.

I do like Pir and miss it.

Are the other racetams comparable?

 

The owner (Posted on Reddit):

 

"Someone wrote a study on the prevalence of piracetam in products labeled as dietary supplements. Then about 8 months later US customs started holding shipment of piracetam coming into the country. Then COVID-19 happened, and it gave them the perfect excuse to just ignore everyone inquiring about their held shipments. That's where we still are. You literally can't get a hold of anyone at US customs or the FDA to discuss it, and they don't respond to emails or voicemails. So I have literally no idea what the state is. They are just ghosting everyone.

 

That same person recently just wrote another study on aniracetam and noopept. So in about 7 months we might expect a similar thing to happen to those if this follows the same timeline.

 

If people would just stop putting racetams and noopept into dietary supplements, or hiding them in there, this would not be an issue. Label them properly, and don't give effect or structure/function claims, and this would be a non-issue. As always, the bad actors in the industry will ruin it for everyone"

[Consequences]

I've sidelined money for aniracetam this time round. It does wonders for my social anxiety.

I have sourced ND's Piracetam too, I have two options

 

1. I can import it from China, I managed to figure out where ND import it from, the exact seller. But then I would need to test it as according to MYASD even the best chinese sellers sometimes send them wrong product.

2. I can buy ND Piracetam from Mexico or Columbian distributors. But I have to use a reshipper service to get it here, it seems to be DHL Express ($40) + reshipper fees ($30) + piracetam which sadly, they are selling for 3x the price that ND sells it for. 1KG of it is almost $300. So it will cost me around $400 for 1kg of it which will last me roughly 200 days accounting for 5g per day (I use around 2-3g per day, but I also use loading dosage for the first few weeks). And the stupidity of the reship service is it is based in texas so I am paying in both TIME and MONEY for them to send it from Mexico to the US then to me in the UK which seems rather silly.