• Log in with Facebook Log in with Twitter Log In with Google      Sign In    
  • Create Account
  LongeCity
              Advocacy & Research for Unlimited Lifespans

Photo
- - - - -

Please help me solve the mystery of my sleep

sleep

  • Please log in to reply
7 replies to this topic

#1 Starchild1337

  • Guest
  • 49 posts
  • 3
  • Location:Europe
  • NO

Posted 14 September 2020 - 11:45 AM


Here's some data and clues:
- 31yo male

- takes ritalin for adhd (suspect cause of sleep issues but problems don't stop when I stop taking it for two weeks)

- I fall asleep easily but I wake up too early (6 hours of sleep instead of the preferred 8)
- I can only fall asleep in one position and that is on my stomach, head on pillow facing right
- Zinc before bed helps to move it up to 7 hours of sleep but I still wake up 1 hour too early, I don't even need an alarm anymore
- Melatonin doesn't really help and has digestive and other side effects

- if I take any kind of CALCIUM supplement today, I will have even more trouble sleeping, wake up in the middle of the night, why??
- when I was on SSRIs I would sleep for like 12 hours and wake up groggy but SSRIs scare me because of side effects (I still have lingering libido issues)

Sleep is incredibly important for memory and brain health and I can notice the effects of even that 1 hour I'm missing every night because my short term and long term memory is worse. I've tried so many things, taurine, lion's mane, cordyceps, melatonin, B vitamins (help a little), pregabalin... but nothing really fixes it. And the things that help, I have a feeling they don't really restore deep sleep, they just make me groggy enough to not wake up. I feel tired but can't sleep properly. It is hell. I used to sleep for 10 hours when I was a teenager and never thought I would have these problems.



#2 YoungSchizo

  • Guest
  • 811 posts
  • 18
  • Location:I Have No Clue

Posted 14 September 2020 - 02:53 PM

6 hours isn't that bad honestly but I get what you mean.

 

If it were up to me I would like to sleep 2/3 of the day, I love sleep and my dreams are a lot more fun than a depressing reality.

 

Anyway, since you take Ritalin I would say check Clonidine for your sleep issues. Clonidine has the potential to put and keep someone at sleep that uses stimulants like Ritalin. 


  • Good Point x 1

sponsored ad

  • Advert
Click HERE to rent this advertising spot for BRAIN HEALTH to support LongeCity (this will replace the google ad above).

#3 pro-v

  • Guest
  • 108 posts
  • 3
  • Location:US

Posted 14 September 2020 - 04:22 PM

I had many of the same issues as you including calcium screwing with my sleep and being a stomach sleeper. I’ve also taken ritalin and a host of other meds/supplements too. Exercise, eat right and practice good sleep hygiene. If that’s not working, go see a dr and have a sleep study performed.
That being said, the only supplement that really helps increase the amount and quality of sleep for me is L-ornithine. There’s also no rebound insomnia if you discontinue taking it like many of the drugs that’s affect GABA.
Another experiment you can try is to abstain from, or limit to a minimal amount, all electronics such as phones/tv/computers for several days. This usually resets my sleep clock If I’m having issues.
  • Good Point x 1

#4 Starchild1337

  • Topic Starter
  • Guest
  • 49 posts
  • 3
  • Location:Europe
  • NO

Posted 14 September 2020 - 05:17 PM

Thanks for the replies. Yes, many people have told me that 6 hours is fine, but for me it's definitely not fine. I am VERY sensitive to sleep deprivation. Even 1 hour less than 8 and my mood and memory suffers. I used to sleep for 9 hours when I was 20. It's good for your youthfulness too, skin was always looking young. I'll try Clonidine and l-ornithine. Probably magnesium too. I've tried like 15 different things so far :( 



#5 RYAN474

  • Guest
  • 42 posts
  • 4
  • Location:IL

Posted 20 September 2020 - 01:23 AM

There are so many factors that could go into your issue, I'm barely going to scratch the surface, but a couple of initial thoughts: 

 

- The peptide ipamorelin is worth a try. Most people report improved sleep on this, me included. It is one of the few things I've tried that actually helps, and I've tried a lot of things prescription and non prescription over 15 years. It makes me sleep longer and deeper, and wake feeling dramatically more refreshed than without it. I've been on 400 mcg every night before bed, sq or IM jnection, for about 1.5 years.  Makes sense that it improves sleep being that it increases growth hormone and there is some sort of self reinforcing positive cycle with growth hormone and deep sleep. My IGF-1 was sub-optimal so my doctor at defy medical clinic prescribed it at my request. Defy is a concierge telemedicine clinic, with hormone emphasis. Dr Saya is who I would recommend. Alternatively, I also recently heard about https://www.limitles...nootropics.com/ from Jay Campbell. I prefer to get prescribed legitimate compounded stuff so I've never bought anything from there, but it is probably putting out legitimate stuff if Jay Campbell is recommending it. 

 

- B12 (pure encapsulations liquid hyroxy/cyano, NOT methyl). I take 1-2 drops 1 to 2 days per week and it makes me sleep longer and deeper. If i take daily, it makes me sleep too much and causes grogginess/ low level depression. Unclear why. But 1-2 days/week, seems to give my sleep the slight boost it needs. 

 

- Weight lifting (before 5pm preferably) is a cornerstone. This is critical to getting good deep sleep for me. Cardio even just 15-25 min light jogging or similar is helpful as well. 

 

Note, I also have issues with sleep if I have anything containing calcium. Especially closer to bedtime. This has been the case forever, so I avoid calcium supplements. I thought maybe it was a parathyroid issue and/or vitamin D issue. My girlfriend has the same issue with calcium. I cannot take oral vitamin D3 or D2 because it messes me up. I just get sun and a sperti vitamin D lamp or tanning lamp for my vitamin D. 

 

I also take ritalin and am 35. 

 

There are a lot of hormonal things that may be worth looking into. And stress management i.e. meditation. Sauna is very helpful for me. Room temperature control and bed temperature control is a major factor for me (chili pad). If the room or bed gets too hot, I will wake up and not be able to get back to sleep. If it's too cold, I will wake up and not get back to sleep.  Colder at night, and warmer late morning is helpful. I have the chili pad on a timer so it goes off at about 6am so that from 7-8 my bed warms up, which helps get that final 1-2 hours of sleep (lots of REM at that time). 

 

 

 


Edited by RYAN474, 20 September 2020 - 01:24 AM.

  • Well Written x 1

#6 csrpj

  • Guest
  • 411 posts
  • 11

Posted 27 September 2020 - 08:27 AM

- The peptide ipamorelin is worth a try. 

 

Do you combine it with a GHRH (like mod grf)? From what I understand, using GHRPs with GHRHs has a synergistic effect and, as a rule of thumb, a logical choice, with ipamorelin and mod grf 129 a common combo. I haven't tried but very interested in this.



#7 RYAN474

  • Guest
  • 42 posts
  • 4
  • Location:IL

Posted 27 September 2020 - 09:44 PM

Do you combine it with a GHRH (like mod grf)? From what I understand, using GHRPs with GHRHs has a synergistic effect and, as a rule of thumb, a logical choice, with ipamorelin and mod grf 129 a common combo. I haven't tried but very interested in this.

 

The only thing I've tried to combine it with is sermorelin. I did not like the effects (mood worsened and appetite increased) so I went back to ipamorelin only. I have been thinking about trying to add something else to it, so will have to look into mod GRF. 



sponsored ad

  • Advert
Click HERE to rent this advertising spot for BRAIN HEALTH to support LongeCity (this will replace the google ad above).

#8 CharlieG

  • Member
  • 21 posts
  • 5
  • Location:Rockford, IL
  • NO

Posted 08 October 2020 - 09:14 PM

Has your sleep improved at all? Have you seen a sleep doctor or had a study? I have a few tips from my personal experience. First, you may want to look into glycine. It has many benefits (one is that it helps increase collagen synthesis) - but the reason I take it is for my sleep. I also have tried many things you mentioned with either no luck or with annoying side effects. But, for some reason, if I take glycine, I just fall asleep and sleep more soundly. I tend to take 1 1000mg supplement a couple hours before bed. Then, when going to bed, I take one more. Many people take more than that but I don't find it is necessary. The supplement is cheap too. Besides that, I recently got a red light panel with near infrared as well from Mito (cheapest one I could find for the best quality, etc. and they had a military discount) - and since I started using it, my sleep is so much better. I've had the same issue where I wake up early and can't go back to sleep. Since using this red light device early on in the day, I sleep better, really feel like I am getting rest and haven't been waking up at that early time I normally get up at. I think it's at least worth looking into. I have been very skeptical of the red light devices but over the past couple of weeks, I've had great results. The off days when I don't use it, I sleep less deeply and wakeup super early again.







Also tagged with one or more of these keywords: sleep

0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users