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historic population drop, cryonics soon to go mainstream...?

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#1 Rib Jig

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Posted 28 May 2021 - 10:00 PM


(not related to Covid-19)
dramatic change in population direction is firmly in place;

not enough workers in world already & could get much worse:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/long-slide-looms-world-population-114958574.html

will this make cryonics a people recycling solution???!!
no matter AGI or automation or cloning, unique experienced people still needed...


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Posted 16 June 2021 - 10:42 PM

Cryonics ever becoming mainstream sounds highly unrealistic. Cryonics has existed for over 50 years, and seems to be well known within the general population, yet remains extremely unpopular. So far, only around 4,000 people worldwide have signed up for cryonics or have been cryopreserved. The Cryonics Institute currently only has 1,986 members/patients, and Alcor only has 1,832.

 

As for future demographics, fertility rates will almost certainly have a rebound in the future. Anatoly Karlin has written extensively about this. In particular, religious fundamentalists are reproducing the most, and are set to demographically overtake the rest of the population.


Edited by Question Mark, 16 June 2021 - 10:42 PM.


#3 Rib Jig

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Posted 17 June 2021 - 12:27 AM

All it takes is one super celebrity mention to make cryonics popularity soar.

But for the best service, price will still be inhibitor.

AIG will solve any scientific issues within, say, 100 years.

Fundamentalists produce big families now -- yet overall birth rate worldwide shrinking.



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Posted 17 June 2021 - 01:52 AM

All it takes is one super celebrity mention to make cryonics popularity soar.

But for the best service, price will still be inhibitor.

AIG will solve any scientific issues within, say, 100 years.

Fundamentalists produce big families now -- yet overall birth rate worldwide shrinking.

 

Who do you consider to be a "super celebrity"? Ted Williams was a baseball player who was cryopreserved. Seth MacFarlane and Larry King talked about getting cryopreserved. Larry King also mentioned it in an interview with Dr. Oz, but ultimately decided against it. Timothy Leary was also a cryonics advocate for years. There's also an urban legend that Walt Disney was cryopreserved, despite it being debunked.

 

As for birth rates, there's little reason to think the current trend of dropping fertility rates will continue forever. France was the first Western country to undergo a modern demographic transition, and having had the longest time for natural selection to come into effect, France is already starting to show signs of a breeder transition. In the case of the Amish, their fertility rate has been stagnant throughout the past century. Even taking defection into account, religiosity will still dominate in the future. The defection rate for the Amish is also going down, standing at 10-15% currently, and was 18-24% in the past.



#5 Rib Jig

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Posted 17 June 2021 - 05:52 PM

Almost everything you posted I already read via Googling.
You are simply quoting what you read online.  So use quotes.

So Google super celebrity,  Pop & rock stars, e.g.

But this is sidetrack -- cryonics wide acceptance optional...

You didn't respond to AIG solving cryonics revival issues

because there's NOTHING ON WEB ABOUT IT probably.

Pre-deep space travel, suspended animation will be researched.

In Joe Public's mind, that & cryonics will be overlapping.

 

Your Anatoly Karlin is a white nationalist crackpot & only an authority on that...

You are someone I do NOT want to meet until you get back in touch with reality.
"Anatoly Karlin (Анатолий Карлин)[note 1] (1988–) is a Russian white nationalist, anti-vegan activist and global-warming denialist crank who espouses a bizarre form of anti-environmentalism..."


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Posted 17 June 2021 - 07:08 PM

I don't disagree that AGI could potentially solve issues related to cryonics. I think it's plausible that cryonics revival issues could be solved with AI. Regarding information on the internet specifically about the relation between AI and cryonics nanotechnology, I could find the article Artificial Intelligence and the Preservation of Mind by Ben Best, which is somewhat related.

 

As for everything else you said, it's nothing but an ad-homenim, in other words, not an argument. Since you're unironically citing RationalWiki, Anatoly Karlin wrote a direct response to the article you're citing.







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