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[Hip]

Some critical articles about Steve Kirsch here and here. One quote:

 

Kirsch once asked Jeffrey Morris, the director of biostatistics at the University of Pennsylvania Perelman School of Medicine, to estimate how many deaths the COVID vaccines had caused. Kirsch twisted Morris’ answer of “Who knows, but not 150K, and not zero,” into the headline, “BOMBSHELL: Top biostats professor admits we have NO CLUE # of people KILLED by COVID vaccines,” in an email he sent to journalists. I am reminded of the old saying warning people against playing chess with pigeons. They’ll defecate all over the board and fly away, satisfied of their victory.

 

[Mind]

A Pentagon whistleblower documents a nearly 1,000% rise in cardiac events in military pilots after the rollout of the COVID injections.

 

UK data shows a dramatic increase in cancer rates - after the forced COVID injections.

 

New peer-reviewed study shows the people who got the COVID injections have higher rates of myocarditis than those who did (this has been confirmed by several studies, this is just the latest).

 

New pre-print study shows that people who got the COVID injections are much more likely to suffer inflammatory musculoskeletal disorders.

 

There appears to be no level of severe side-effects for which the CDC or the FDA will reduce or remove the COVID injections from the market. The rest of the world is being very cautious and/or discontinuing the mRNA COVID shots entirely. The US health bureaucracy is clearly incompetent, unethical, or both.

 

In a disturbing development, the British Heart Foundation seems to have removed some warnings about myocarditis from its website. It no longer mentions that myocarditis can cause long term heart problems, sometimes requiring a heart transplant.

[Hip]

UK data shows a dramatic increase in cancer rates - after the forced COVID injections.

 

Mind has never accepted the possibility that COVID infection itself might cause issues such as increased cancer rates. Instead he keeps pushing his particular belief, that COVID is completely benign, and will not accept that SARS-CoV-2 can trigger disease. He does not accept the reality of long COVID, claiming that LC is rare (even though it actually affects 65 to 200 million people globally). But if you search Google, you see that many researchers are worried that SARS-CoV-2 may trigger or promote cancer.

 

 

Edited by Hip, 05 December 2023 - 06:21 AM.

[Hip]

New pre-print study shows that people who got the COVID injections are much more likely to suffer inflammatory musculoskeletal disorders.

 

Not impressed with this paper. It states that various inflammatory musculoskeletal disorders were found at higher rates in vaccinated people compared to unvaccinated, but it does not state how much higher.

 

Furthermore, the study does not comment about the fact that vaccinated people tend to be those who have underlying illnesses or who are older, which are likely risk factors for developing inflammatory conditions.

[HBRU]

Yes, also because COVID and mrna vaccines both led the cells to produces the toxic spike...
I made the vaccines ASAP and never got covid positive once (tested many times)... zero problems.

[joesixpack]

Not impressed with this paper. It states that various inflammatory musculoskeletal disorders were found at higher rates in vaccinated people compared to unvaccinated, but it does not state how much higher.

 

Furthermore, the study does not comment about the fact that vaccinated people tend to be those who have underlying illnesses or who are older, which are likely risk factors for developing inflammatory conditions.

 

Fine, go take another shot.

[joesixpack]

Mind has never accepted the possibility that COVID infection itself might cause issues such as increased cancer rates. Instead he keeps pushing his particular belief, that COVID is completely benign, and will not accept that SARS-CoV-2 can trigger disease. He does not accept the reality of long COVID, claiming that LC is rare (even though it actually affects 65 to 200 million people globally). But if you search Google, you see that many researchers are worried that SARS-CoV-2 may trigger or promote cancer.

What does your response have to do with substance of his post?

 

You complain about the labels that are put on your posts, but for the most part, they seem to be correct.

[HBRU]

Making a new mrna covid shot ?
No, no, no

[adamh]

 

There appears to be no level of severe side-effects for which the CDC or the FDA will reduce or remove the COVID injections from the market. The rest of the world is being very cautious and/or discontinuing the mRNA COVID shots entirely. The US health bureaucracy is clearly incompetent, unethical, or both.

 

 

Yup, while its hard sometimes to distinguish between evil and incompetence, it brings to mind the concept of reckless endangerment. While there is murder 1st degree which is deliberate and evil, at the other end are simple mistakes that anyone could have made which lead to tragedy. When the mistakes are not simple and the person should have known better, they get charged with manslaughter which can carry a very high penalty 

 

If you drive a car at 100mph through a city and someone dies in the wreck, it is the fault of the speeding driver and while he didn't mean to kill that one person, his reckless actions were likely to bring it about so he will spend time in prison, up to 30 or 40 years in some states. Shooting a gun when you don't know what you are shooting at and hit someone, putting drugs in someones drink and they die... 

 

The question we should ask is whether what the cdc, who, fauci, and the government did was a mistake that was unforeseeable or were they guilty of criminal negligence and recklessness? They did not follow standard procedures, they rushed it through, did not do proper testing and ignored the many side effects and deaths. Would you vote them guilty if you were on the jury?

[Hip]

What does your response have to do with substance of his post?

 

I would have thought that was obvious. Do you really need that spelled out? OK then, here we go:

 

When the bulk of the population have been hit with both COVID infection (which may leave lingering viral RNA in their cells) as well as being given COVID vaccination, then logically any phenomena, such as an apparent increase in the rates of certain cancers, could be due to either. Or it might be due to other factors, such as the fact that lockdowns prevented people from getting checked for cancer, so now they are all suddenly being checked at once, leading to an apparent spike in cases.

 

So an unbiased comment by Mind would have not implied that the vaccines are responsible, but that several factors may potentially be responsible (and there may be more than one cause acting simultaneously). This is assuming there are actually spikes in the number of certain cancer cases, which would need to be confirmed by other studies or analyses. 

 

We live in a world which is increasingly polarised regarding points of view and opinions. Mind's posts are an example of such opinion polarisation, as he consistently promotes certain views, such as COVID being benign and nothing to worry about, but the COVID vaccines are the opposite in his mind, being highly dangerous.

 

 

Edited by Hip, 05 December 2023 - 05:29 PM.

[Dorian Grey]

Yup, while its hard sometimes to distinguish between evil and incompetence, it brings to mind the concept of reckless endangerment. While there is murder 1st degree which is deliberate and evil, at the other end are simple mistakes that anyone could have made which lead to tragedy. When the mistakes are not simple and the person should have known better, they get charged with manslaughter which can carry a very high penalty 

 

If you drive a car at 100mph through a city and someone dies in the wreck, it is the fault of the speeding driver and while he didn't mean to kill that one person, his reckless actions were likely to bring it about so he will spend time in prison, up to 30 or 40 years in some states. Shooting a gun when you don't know what you are shooting at and hit someone, putting drugs in someones drink and they die... 

 

The question we should ask is whether what the cdc, who, fauci, and the government did was a mistake that was unforeseeable or were they guilty of criminal negligence and recklessness? They did not follow standard procedures, they rushed it through, did not do proper testing and ignored the many side effects and deaths. Would you vote them guilty if you were on the jury?

 

I'm willing to cut them some slack with the vaccines, as the whole world was in a bit of a panic, tens of thousands dying around the world every month and the global economy in danger of collapsing.  

 

What I'll never forgive, is what they had to do to preserve the EUAs.  No treatment at all other than remdesivir & a vent for two years?  Millions of seniors, alone and afraid, isolated in their homes.  Distinguished front line doctors, risking their lives actually trying to treat patients in the field being mocked, ridiculed, & struck off?  Pharmacists refusing to fill prescriptions?  This was the real crime of the century, and someone should pay and lessons be learned.  Never again!  

Edited by Dorian Grey, 05 December 2023 - 05:34 PM.

[Mind]

John (follow the evidence) Campbell also details the exploding excess deaths around the world, even as COVID fatalities are minimal. All of this excess death is closely temporally associated with the rollout of the COVID injections. Campbell used to be a "go to" scientist for rational inquiry, that is until he pointed out problems with the pandemic policies and the COVID injections. Now he is labeled as an anti-science nut-job. Same as how the Cochrane Review was the gold standard of scientific review until they reported that masking was a failed pandemic response. Now they are anti-science nut-jobs, according to the "brilliant"(lol) US national media.

 

People have a hard time accepting that there are detrimental side effects, sometimes deadly, from some vaccines, but they are unaware of the (well-documented and peer-reviewed) history of failed and dangerous vaccines. The national media never covers the failures, numerous as they are.

 

The FDA used to warn companies about DNA contamination in medicines and vaccines (because it could cause cancer), now they don't care at all when it comes to massive DNA contamination in the COVID injections. They plan to do nothing about it, apparently. The BMJ detailed how big pharma owns the FDA. This seems to be more proof.

 

No matter, Moderna has a new "spikevax" commercial (what an awful name, what marketing guru came up with that one?). Interestingly, they mention side effects, which the CDC and FDA steadfastly refuse to acknowledge, even as the rest of the world is moving away from the COVID injections for most people.

 

 

[Daniel Cooper]

I'm willing to cut them some slack with the vaccines, as the whole world was in a bit of a panic, tens of thousands dying around the world every month and the global economy in danger of collapsing.  

 

What I'll never forgive, is what they had to do to preserve the EUAs.  No treatment at all other than remdesivir & a vent for two years?  Millions of seniors, alone and afraid, isolated in their homes.  Distinguished front line doctors, risking their lives actually trying to treat patients in the field being mocked, ridiculed, & struck off?  Pharmacists refusing to fill prescriptions?  This was the real crime of the century, and someone should pay and lessons be learned.  Never again!  

 

The thing I really find unconscionable is the promotion of vaccinating children as young as 6 months. There really is almost no incidence of serious illness caused by covid in young children. Really almost none in teens and 20s. 

 

We can disagree on the extent of adverse effects of the vaccines, but I don't think any of us believe that there are no adverse effects. As with anything it's a tradeoff of harm vs. benefit.

 

I think you can make a pretty good case for a 70 year old getting the vaccine, particularly early in the pandemic when the virus was at its most deadly. But with young children, since they suffer serious illness so rarely the vaccine is almost all downside (no matter how large or small the actual downside may be) but with almost no upside to balance it against. 

 

This was just never a good idea, particularly with a vaccine that is such new technology and which may carry some risk for longer term consequences.

Edited by Daniel Cooper, 05 December 2023 - 08:16 PM.

[Hip]

All of this excess death is closely temporally associated with the rollout of the COVID injections.

 

No that is wrong. There was zero excess death after the COVID vaccines were rolled out in New Zealand, and before COVID arrived in NZ. You only find excess death when COVID appears, in any country. 

 

This has been stated many times, but since it seems we are all geriatric here, with failing memories and an inability to learn anything new (like the proverbial old dog who cannot be taught new tricks), so we have to repeat these things ad nauseam!  

 

For a forum that is focused on longevity, it is embarrassing how decrepit the posters here are, including me!

Edited by Hip, 05 December 2023 - 08:50 PM.

[Dorian Grey]

John (follow the evidence) Campbell also details the exploding excess deaths around the world, even as COVID fatalities are minimal. All of this excess death is closely temporally associated with the rollout of the COVID injections. Campbell used to be a "go to" scientist for rational inquiry, that is until he pointed out problems with the pandemic policies and the COVID injections. Now he is labeled as an anti-science nut-job. Same as how the Cochrane Review was the gold standard of scientific review until they reported that masking was a failed pandemic response. Now they are anti-science nut-jobs, according to the "brilliant"(lol) US national media.

 

People have a hard time accepting that there are detrimental side effects, sometimes deadly, from some vaccines, but they are unaware of the (well-documented and peer-reviewed) history of failed and dangerous vaccines. The national media never covers the failures, numerous as they are.

 

The FDA used to warn companies about DNA contamination in medicines and vaccines (because it could cause cancer), now they don't care at all when it comes to massive DNA contamination in the COVID injections. They plan to do nothing about it, apparently. The BMJ detailed how big pharma owns the FDA. This seems to be more proof.

 

No matter, Moderna has a new "spikevax" commercial (what an awful name, what marketing guru came up with that one?). Interestingly, they mention side effects, which the CDC and FDA steadfastly refuse to acknowledge, even as the rest of the world is moving away from the COVID injections for most people.

 

Oh my yes!  I recall Dr John, by-the-book Campbell parroting out the narrative, and lecturing on how Evidence Based Medicine and government bureaucrats were all but infallible and beyond corruption.  

 

I believe I actually witnessed the day his eyes were opened, as he reported the results of the Henry Ford Health multi-center retrospective on HCQ, with a 50% reduction in fatalities in hospitalized patients no less.  He looked like a long suffering working class husband who's wife just told him she never loved him and is leaving.  Poor John.  

 

It's truly amazing to see the 180 he's done since then.  We live & learn!  

Edited by Dorian Grey, 05 December 2023 - 09:05 PM.

[HBRU]

Actually there is the study of Dem vs Repubblican excess deaths in 2021. Republican died much more. For me is clear: in 2021 the shot was a good idea. Different story after.

[Dorian Grey]

Actually there is the study of Dem vs Repubblican excess deaths in 2021. Republican died much more. For me is clear: in 2021 the shot was a good idea. Different story after.

 

I got my one-and-done J&J jab, and boost in 2021, so we agree there.  

 

When looking at dem vs rep deaths though, we should consider age.  Winston Churchill once said: "If you're not liberal when you're young, you have no heart; but if you're not conservative when you're older, you have no brain!"

 

We know COVID tends to take oldsters to their grave far more-so than the young, so it might be expected a lot more republicans died then dems.  The vaccines might figure into this equation too, but it all seems a bit blurry to divine any conclusions.  

[adamh]

I would think democrats and liberals would be more likely to take the shot than republicans or conservatives. Liberals believe in all sorts of nonsense like changing your sex like you change your clothes, men should be allowed to compete in womens sports, etc. They often believe whatever the government tells them, though many are starting to wise up. Conservatives have a healthy distrust of big government and its mandates so I doubt as many took the shot as the young and liberal crowd. And then again, if you are comparing age groups you would expect more deaths in the older group even among those who never took the death shot.

 

The evil done by authorities under color of law in many cases is unforgiveable. Those people should be prosecuted though I doubt it will ever happen. Those were not simple mistakes they were deliberate actions in disregard for law and medical procedures. We know that they lied to cover up the horrible results. The authorities are to this day encouraging people to take it without a word about the likely side effects. The media still labels people as vaccine conspiracy nuts.

[DanCG]

No that is wrong. There was zero excess death after the COVID vaccines were rolled out in New Zealand, and before COVID arrived in NZ. You only find excess death when COVID appears, in any country. 

 

 

This is not factually correct. New Zealand had very strict quarantining procedures and managed to keep covid infections and deaths at very low numbers until after the vaccine rollout. This can be seen from data that has recently become available.

 

 

An analysis of the data can be found here, for anyone up for a deep dive: https://www.wmbriggs.com/post/49688/

The author, Matt Briggs, is an expert statistician. All sides of the debate should note that he emphasizes that the data can only provide hints. No hard conclusions can be drawn because the leaked data does not include any people who received no shots at all; we can only compare the groups with different numbers of shots. He also gives a detailed analysis of why things are not necessarily what they seem to be at the first impression.

 

The data does show that the vaccines were introduced before much covid had arrived in New Zealand. This can be seen from the first two graphs.

The first graph shows monthly deaths among vaccinated people in NZ from early in 2021 to July of 2023; the lines represent people who received 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5+ shots. Apparently this is all-cause death. The graph shows a substantial peak in Jul-Aug 2021.

 

The second graph shows the weekly count of ascribed covid deaths in New Zealand, over roughly the same period. In Briggs’ words:

“Since, officially anyway, there were almost no ascribed covid deaths in 2021 in NZ, then the August peak in deaths for those who only had 1 or 2 shots could not be covid and had to be something else...The same is true for the January 2022 peak, which had only a handful of official covid deaths, but which saw a large number of people with 3 shots dying.”

 

So, deaths temporally correlated with the vaccines, not with covid. Of course this does not prove that the vaccines killed people, but it does show that something is not right, and more investigation needs to be done. This is clearly a case where excess deaths cannot be ascribed to covid.

 

An interesting thing happens as successive waves of covid deaths occur, along with booster campaigns. Briggs again:

“The next peak in deaths is those with 4 shots (and not any other number), in July 2022. That was the month with the largest officially ascribed covid deaths in NZ. Very few people with other shot quantities died during that month. And the same kind of thing, as you can see, happened with those with 5+ shot in May 2022, which was also a minor high in officially ascribed covid deaths.”

 

So it looks like those who were “up to date” fared worse than those who stopped after one or two shots. Remember, though, we are not seeing any comparison to those who were not vaccinated at all.

Edited by DanCG, 07 December 2023 - 03:39 AM.

[Hip]

So, deaths temporally correlated with the vaccines, not with covid. 

 

I don't have the energy to read through that long blog article, and examine the fine details. However, copying and pasting from my previous posts:

 

 

The COVID vaccination program was started in NZ on 20 February 2021. If you look at this orange and red diagram of excess deaths by country during the entire pandemic period, you can see New Zealand about half way down the chart.

 

In NZ here were no excess deaths when the vaccines began getting rolled out from Feb 2021, nor in the year that followed the introduction of the vaccines in NZ. A total of 81% of people in NZ had at least two doses of the vaccine, so the vaccine rollout was quite comprehensive. Yet no excess deaths.

 

In fact, if anything, there were less deaths than normal in NZ on the diagram in the year the vaccine rollout took place (less deaths than normal is indicated by a grey colour on the diagram).

 

You can hover your mouse along the NZ line in the diagram in the link given, to get the week by week excess death percentage. For the whole year following the start of the vaccine rollout, you see more grey than anything else, indicating less death than expected for that week.

 

 

 

 

Excess deaths only started appearing in NZ around March 2022, when NZ relaxed their restrictions and were then finally hit with a wave of COVID. Those excess deaths you see from March 2022 onwards were due to the virus. 

 

So it is clear from the New Zealand data that the COVID vaccines are not killing millions of people, as many irresponsible people on social media are trying to claim. 

[HBRU]

I think people (and doctors too) are understating the cardiac risks assiociated with viral infections...

Beeing mrna vax campain at the same time with COVID spread it is really hard to understand from where the bad come out (probably a lot of people get infected while vaccinating).... Both agents where producing spikes tough mrna vaccines much less.

 

One thing is sure viruses are not harmless... and specially the first COVID was really bad for many.

 

[Fulminant influenza type A associated myocarditis: a fatal case in an 8 year old child] - PubMed (nih.gov)

[HBRU]

I would have thought that was obvious. Do you really need that spelled out? OK then, here we go:

 

When the bulk of the population have been hit with both COVID infection (which may leave lingering viral RNA in their cells) as well as being given COVID vaccination, then logically any phenomena, such as an apparent increase in the rates of certain cancers, could be due to either. Or it might be due to other factors, such as the fact that lockdowns prevented people from getting checked for cancer, so now they are all suddenly being checked at once, leading to an apparent spike in cases.

 

So an unbiased comment by Mind would have not implied that the vaccines are responsible, but that several factors may potentially be responsible (and there may be more than one cause acting simultaneously). This is assuming there are actually spikes in the number of certain cancer cases, which would need to be confirmed by other studies or analyses. 

 

We live in a world which is increasingly polarised regarding points of view and opinions. Mind's posts are an example of such opinion polarisation, as he consistently promotes certain views, such as COVID being benign and nothing to worry about, but the COVID vaccines are the opposite in his mind, being highly dangerous.

 

Yes... same opinion.

But if you dig you will discover that people that get the vaccine ASAP had rarely trouble and rarely got a bad form of COVID after... people that get the vaccine after the COVID infection (because forced by governments many times) had many times more trouble from vaccine.... because is like trowing petrol on fire (immunitary system was alredy awakened).

 

So IMHO problem was not the vaccine in itself BUT the governments.

[Empiricus]

Yes... same opinion.

But if you dig you will discover that people that get the vaccine ASAP had rarely trouble and rarely got a bad form of COVID after... people that get the vaccine after the COVID infection (because forced by governments many times) had many times more trouble from vaccine.... because is like trowing petrol on fire (immunitary system was alredy awakened).

 

So IMHO problem was not the vaccine in itself BUT the governments.

 

On top of Dorian Gray's observation, to me the reckless advocacy of COVID vaccination for the prior infected counts as another unforgivable.

[Mind]

On top of Dorian Gray's observation, to me the reckless advocacy of COVID vaccination for the prior infected counts as another unforgivable.

 

It wasn't just "advocacy", it was done by force, mandated, etc... Employers fired people. The military kicked out soldiers. Hospitals refused service.

 

Remember, this was done for a disease with an IFR of less than ONE TENTH OF ONE PERCENT. For people under 70.

 

Remember, this was done well after it was known (peer-reviewed, widely documented) that natural immunity was far superior.

 

Remember, this was done even after it was documented how rushed, sloppy, and fraudulent the clinical trial was.

 

Remember, this is still being advocated for everyone down to toddlers in the US, even after it has been proven (peer-reviewed) that the risks outweigh the benefits for younger age groups. This is why hardly any country on earth is still advocating the COVID injections for babies....except the incompetent US, CDC, FDA.

 

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Not only have the COVID injections been documented to be contaminated with graphene oxide (the injections were temporarily suspended in Japan because of this) and random foreign DNA, but now it has been show that the injections produce off-target proteins (peer-reviewed).

[zorba990]

and random foreign DNA, ---> and random lyophilized foreign DNA (and random might even be, well, just hopeful)
SC Senate Hearing - USC Professor Dr. Phillip Buckhaults

[Mind]

New peer-reviewed Italian study shows that almost a third of people who got the COVID injections developed neurological disorders.

 

This should not be a surprise to anyone. If you look back in this discussion, there are now dozens of peer-reviewed studies showing side effects (many times severe or deadly) from the COVID injections. In addition, doctors have anecdotally noted many side effects, all of which were found in the clinical trial. When the clinical trial itself found these severe side effects in patients, it should not be a surprise when the general population is suffering the same side effects.

[HBRU]

Trouble specially with ChAdOx1nCov-19 ... Astrazeneca / Oxford. That was not a mRNA vaccine.

[Empiricus]

Trouble specially with ChAdOx1nCov-19 ... Astrazeneca / Oxford. That was not a mRNA vaccine.

 

Perception that AstraZeneca was uniquely unsafe was created by the mainstream media. From early in the vaccine roll-out, serious side effects were reported for AstraZenica but troubles experienced with mRNA vaccines did not get similar coverage. In effect, the major non-mRNA vaccine was turned into a scapegoat.  Similarly, in the Western media the Chinese vaccines were derided as relatively ineffective. This assertion was extremely disingenuous if only on account of safety not being factored into the comparison.  

[Dorian Grey]

Perception that AstraZeneca was uniquely unsafe was created by the mainstream media. From early in the vaccine roll-out, serious side effects were reported for AstraZenica but troubles experienced with mRNA vaccines did not get similar coverage. In effect, the major non-mRNA vaccine was turned into a scapegoat.  Similarly, in the Western media the Chinese vaccines were derided as relatively ineffective. This assertion was extremely disingenuous if only on account of safety not being factored into the comparison.  

 

Yep, I'm a J&J guy, & glad I was: https://brownstone.o...-wrong-vaccine/

 

Have People Been Given the Wrong Vaccine?

 

Randomized controlled trials show all-cause mortality reduction from the Covid adenovirus-vector vaccines (RR=0.37, 95%CI: 0.19-0.70) but not from the mRNA vaccines (RR=1.03, 95%CI 0.63-1.71). 

 

Have people been given vaccines that don’t work (Pfizer/Moderna) instead of vaccines that do work (AstraZeneca/Johnson & Johnson)? 

 

There is clear evidence that the adenovirus-vector vaccines reduced mortality. For every 100 deaths in the unvaccinated, there are only 37 deaths among the vaccinated, with a 95% confidence interval of 19 to 70 deaths. This result comes from five different RCTs for three different vaccines, but it is primarily driven by the AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson vaccines. 

For the mRNA vaccines, on the other hand, there was no evidence of a mortality reduction. For every 100 deaths among the unvaccinated, there are 103 deaths among the vaccinated, with a 95% confidence interval of 63 to 171 deaths. That is, the mRNA vaccines may reduce mortality a little bit, or they may increase it; we do not know. The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines contributed equally to this result, so there is no evidence that one is better or worse than the other.

Edited by Dorian Grey, 16 December 2023 - 02:51 AM.

[Gal220]

 

Some critical articles about Steve Kirsch here and here. One quote:

 

You keep doing this nonsense about Kirsch and McCullough, no one cares... I didn't agree with Kirsch when he was a vaccine pusher either.

It doesn't negate all the official vaccine injury NZ and other countries are hiding.  Burn the messenger all you want, it doesn't change the fact

 

McCullough recommending Paxlovid, I think he is foolish to do so, but that doesn't mean he doesn't make valid points elsewhere

 

 

 

So where are we at this year?  Kory was able to get some larger publications to point out 158k extra deaths this year

 

"In the first 9 months of this year, 158,000 more Americans died unexpectedly than in all of 2019." That's more than all U.S. combat deaths since WWII combined.

 

Is the government afraid of what it will find if it looks deeper into excess deaths?"

 

 

The silence from the MSM and 3 letter agencies says it all