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First cryonics facility outside the US - KrioRus


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#1 Live Forever

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Posted 13 July 2006 - 07:35 AM


Honestly, I had not heard of them before reading the thread on them over at Alcor United (which includes the reply by someone from KrioRus in response to some criticisms that had been voiced about them).

In any event, they are (evidently) the first cryonics organization outside of the United States, named KrioRus, and located in Russia. Here is a link to the English version of their website. (you can check out the rest of their site if you speak Russian) They only freeze the brain, at a one time fee of approximately $9,000 US, and are attempting to expand into more of Europe besides just Russia. It is unfortunate that their first patient was stored at dry ice temperature for several months before being subject to liquid nitrogen, but hopefully they are getting the kinks worked out, and will be a viable opportunity for some people in the area.

Here is a (text) news story on the facility, and here is a (video) news story, along with commentary on the Cryonics Institute website.

Any thoughts (positive or negative) on the facility?


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Posted 13 July 2006 - 07:04 PM

Judging from the article I read, it is not the most advanced facility one can imagine, however, I think the publicity is generally good. It gets more people thinking about cryonics and also life extension. I wish them success. If they get more patients hopefully they can develop a better facility.

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Posted 13 July 2006 - 08:31 PM

Judging from the article I read, it is not the most advanced facility one can imagine, however, I think the publicity is generally good. It gets more people thinking about cryonics and also life extension. I wish them success. If they get more patients hopefully they can develop a better facility.

Yes, I hope they can expand and increase the level of quality for people signing up with them.

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Posted 14 July 2006 - 12:26 AM

The orginal thread (with less info on this) is here.

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Posted 14 July 2006 - 12:32 AM

The orginal thread (with less info on this) is here.

Aah, ok. I did a search for "KrioRus" before posting, but since the original thread didn't contain that term, I guess it didn't pick it up.

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Posted 14 July 2006 - 05:56 AM

I hope there will be more facility like this in the future, it will expand the vision of life extension and make stronger our philosophy.

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Posted 14 July 2006 - 06:35 AM

I agree completely, jonano.

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Posted 14 July 2006 - 07:06 AM

yes and I dont like the current situation of Cryonics, it is too much centralized.

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Posted 30 July 2006 - 09:24 PM

Centralization is not a threat. The main threat of cryonics is low R&D budgets caused by small number of patients and low social implications . Imagine, if we have today not 150 patients but 150.000 (every day die more than 180.000) - the situation can be completely different, because of number of relatives, involved in cryonics services. in such cases cryonics became not only "their business" but "our common work", as described by Nikolay Fedoroff.

In Kriorus we have such goals and means to do so - lower costs of cryopreservation and see if this will grow crionicists number

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Posted 30 November 2008 - 03:10 AM

I've been hearing good things about KrioRus, from Mike Perry and Mike Darwin who have worked with them. KrioRus has a newly updated contract, and it provides a less expensive way to be cryopreserved than currently is available in the US.

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Posted 30 November 2008 - 04:58 AM

I definitely wish they had more money and better security for their facility, but still I am very impressed. And to think they will do both suspension and storage for only $9,000 dollars! Wow. I realize we are not talking Alcor quality, but still. I look forward to following their progress.

I am mildly surprised Russia was the nation to be the first Non-American Cryonics *provider* outside of the United States. Alcor did or does have a facility in England and I'm not sure if "Live Forever" was aware of that when he wrote this thread title.

I had always thought either Japan or Germany would be the nation to do what Russia has accomplished. But the Russians in their own way tend to be a technologically and sometimes culturally innovative people.

I'm curious to know how posters here would explain why Russia achieved what Germany, Japan, etc., have not.

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Posted 01 December 2008 - 01:58 AM

In the past few weeks the price for shipping a body there would be around 3 thousand for a total of 12 thousand. When one includes the cost of shipping to CI, the cost is a bit higher as well. Alcor is working with an organization that is planning on opening another facility in Europe. As I understand it KrioRus has some very wealthy Russians backing it (not much unlike Alcor's situation in the US :) ).

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Posted 12 November 2009 - 02:36 PM

Transportation to Russia for 3 thousand Dollars will be unlikely in Germany. It's hard for me due to an unfortunate illness and some relatives around in Germany who don't care about cryonics. It prevented me from earning and applying the money to fund cryonics by life insurance. Even something in Russia isn't easy to get, just because of the costs of transportation. Actually I made negotiations with a reasonably priced mortician's for an upgradeable contract. That contract includes fire burial for what's equivalent to 5 thousand Dollars and it might eventually be upgraded for what's equivalent to 15 thousand Dollars which allows transportation to a cryonics provider. The upgrade, transportation to a cryonics provider in a foreign country would supersede the fire burial in case a donor helps me paying for that arrangement. Actually, it's not sure if there will be a donor who can establish so much support, but I'm more and more trying to apply for donations.

There is another version of Kriorus_contract_english_tr_MP_edit which KrioRus sent me on August 2009. There are terms for a payment schedule with empty lines to fill in. Actually I'm thinking about filling in the following payment schedule: At 1st, an extra donation of $300.00 will be paid in advance to the payment of the contractual price which is $10,000.00. The extra donation, which has a payment deadline of three months, is just to compensate for the possibility of a long waiting time before payment of the contractual price has been accomplished. So the payment deadline for the contractual price is not fixed which increases the chance that it can be funded by the client or someone who offers help.

In connection with my revival, these additional clauses should be written into the contract: The client knows that revival may or may not be successful, for instance, if transportation to KrioRus goes fail. If real revival cannot be accomplished at all after a very long time, KrioRus or those who act for them should try to make use of the client's information from DNA, personal documents, data about the client in the Internet, etc. The client currently owns an associate membership status at SfUI, the Society for Universal Immortalism http://universalimmortalism.org which stores his preserved DNA and related information. As long as there is not enough information available to represent remains of former personal identity by a fairly intelligent android, a robot in control by semi-sentient Artificial Intelligence should be created to represent the client in a Virtual Reality by computer animations.

In the past few weeks the price for shipping a body there would be around 3 thousand for a total of 12 thousand. When one includes the cost of shipping to CI, the cost is a bit higher as well. Alcor is working with an organization that is planning on opening another facility in Europe. As I understand it KrioRus has some very wealthy Russians backing it (not much unlike Alcor's situation in the US ;) ).






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