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#1 boylan

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Posted 09 June 2023 - 12:48 PM


Is Taurine the Key to Longer Life? It Made Monkeys Healthier - WSJ


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#2 albedo

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Posted 09 June 2023 - 05:25 PM

Thank you and informative.  I would need to read about the science first but the WSJ writing about improving healthspan and showing a picture of Red Bull (why not Pepsi or Coca with a touch of taurine) seems to me a contradictio in terminis (only half joke ...)

Possible trial: take a set of overweight and obese children or adults, heavy consumers of the above and test. Likely you will get nothing but a statement in the conclusion that supplementation is not working ...


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#3 CynthesisToday

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Posted 09 June 2023 - 11:58 PM

Here is a link to the original research the WSJ article is purported to be based on: https://www.science....science.abn9257 "Taurine deficiency as a driver of aging" (2023) Full text. Note that the metric of consideration was lifespan and health span. Worms, mice and monkeys saw improvements with supplemental taurine but yeast did not. The full paper is well worth a read. The authors did a lot of testing of possible mechanisms and found evidence in support of several different mechanisms. Taurine is pleiotropic in service to improved health span. 

 

 

 

 

 

Taurine is pleiotropic. One thing it does when taken by mouth is improve the structure and TEER (trans-epithelial electrical resistance) of the intestinal epithelium. 

 

This is a fantastic bit of research demonstrating the effect of taurine in contact with the luminal side of the intestinal wall. (Sorry for the ugly URL... full text available only on the Elinav Lab website)

 

https://www.weizmann... Function. .pdf "High-Throughput Screen Identifies Host and Microbiota Regulators of Intestinal Barrier Function" (2020) Very detailed original research. Figure 3 is a good, quick summary of the role of taurine in preventing deformation of epithelial cell edges (called tortuosity) and fold-change in electrical resistance from control (measure of "leaking" between cells). This paper examines a number of substances including taurine.

 

 

I have been taking 2 to 10 grams of supplemental taurine for a bit over a year to help with gut problems based on the Elinav paper. Nice to see the health span paper from Singh, et. al. The Singh paper uses 250mg/kg taurine, single dose at 10am for tests in non-human primates. This would be 17.5 grams for a 70kg human. I find 10 grams in about half a cup of water easily palatable. Pretty much, no taste. It dissolves but not readily so I give the glass a good swirl to finish off the little bit that's not quite dissolved after a few minutes using fridge cold water.

Here is a link to the original research the WSJ article is purported to be based on: https://www.science....science.abn9257 "Taurine deficiency as a driver of aging" (2023) Full text.


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#4 albedo

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Posted 10 June 2023 - 09:50 AM

Great CynthesisToday, good post with both scientific information and personal experience ! Thank you. I have been taking it in the past but stopped and this might make me reconsider.

 



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Posted 10 June 2023 - 10:37 AM

Also worth reading the old write-up of Michael R about nutrition for vegetarians:

 

 

Taurine

Taurine is a sulfur-containing amino acid that isn’t used to make proteins in the body, but is used in a wide variety of functions in animal cells, keeping them to regulate their internal balance of water to salts, involved in the development of the retina and the heart, and apparently used to buffer potentially-lethal electrochemical signaling in muscle and nerve cells as well, although the only really well-understood function of taurine is in forming bile salts. The main dietary source is fish, and vegetarian foods contain little to none; moreover, its main precursor is, once again, the sulfur-containing amino acid methionine, which is low in typical vegetarian diets. So it’s unsurprising that vegans’ plasma and tissue taurine levels are lower than those of omnivores by about 20%.[38],[39]

 

There’s a lot of evidence that higher intakes of taurine are protective of the cardiovascular system. Clinical trials in Japan (again, a country where intakes of taurine already tend to be high) show that relatively high doses of taurine (usually 3 to 6 grams) improve cardiac function in patients with heart disease, improve the cholesterol profile in overweight people, and help to normalize the clumping of platelets in diabetics with well-controlled blood sugar.[40] Consistent with these findings, an international comparison found urinary taurine excretion to be a very strong predictor of low risk of ischaemic heart disease and death from same, with risk falling very steeply as urinary excretion rose.[41] As I’ve emphasized before, however,  such studies (like the Keys Seven Countries study on dietary factors in heart disease, and the notorious China Study) are inherently poor evidence, as the populations always vary in many other variables than the one the researcher is interested in: in this case, for instance, high fish intake is also of course closely linked to high intake of omega-3 fatty acids. This raises the question in both directions, however: is taurine excretion a proxy for omega-3 intake, or are many of the benefits from eating fish that are usually attributed to omega-3s actually coming from the taurine? Only careful, prospective cohort studies, including detailed records on the kinds of fish eaten (many fish contain little to no omega-3s), can hope to sort such questions out.

 

Putting taurine into the diets of rats with genetically- or diet-induced high blood pressure also lowers their blood pressure, but it hasn’t had any effect in most trials in hypertensive humans; the most notable exception to this is in an uncontrolled study in Tibet, where 3 g of taurine a day significantly reduced both systolic (top number) and diastolic (bottom number) blood pressure. This is especially interesting regarding the situation for vegetarians, as Tibetans not only eat a lot of salt, but also have fairly low taurine intakes (an estimated 43 mg/day), in large part because they don’t eat fish for religious reasons.[42] Similarly, the diabetics whose platelet stickiness was alleviated by taurine had been found to have plasma levels about a third lower than those of healthy people – and, of course, rats don’t naturally consume much taurine. One possibility is that there is a kind of threshold for the benefits of taurine, so that supplements don’t do much for the average Westerners or Japanese in the other trials because of their usual dietary intake, while people (or rats) with low intake or high metabolic demand might get a boost from getting what is, in other groups, a normal intake.

 

There is a similar case to be made when examining the evidence that taurine is protective against the development of complications in diabetes. Aside from the effect on platelet stickiness in well-controlled diabetic men, one clinical trial also found that diabetic subjects given taurine supplements enjoyed an improvement in insulin sensitivity – the body’s ability to respond to the hormone insulin by taking up blood sugar into muscle, liver, and fat cells, keeping blood levels regulated.[43] On the other hand, another, better-designed trial in overweight men at risk of diabetes found no such benefit.[44]  Certainly many animal studies have found that taurine-fortified chow is very good for diabetic or high-fructose-fed rats, both metabolically (such as improved insulin sensitivity) and in protection against a range of the complications of diabetes, including reduced kidney damage.

 

Mark McCarty, a prolific speculator in matters nutritional, has hypothesized that the apparently-high AGE levels in vegetarians are at least partly the result of our low taurine intake. There might be a parallel to the well-managed diabetic patients who,  somewhat like healthy vegetarians, [45],[46] have both unusually-sticky platelets, and low levels of taurine in their plasma and platelets, despite having blood sugar within the normal range.  Stickier platelets put you at higher risk of a heart attack or stroke, because it increases the chance of an abnormal blood forming around atherosclerotic plaques, coming loose, and lodging itself in your coronary artery or brain, so this isn’t a trivial finding. The question is, what’s causing it, and how can it be corrected?

 

Clearly, the origins of the problem are different in the two groups. Diabetics need drugs to maintain normal blood sugar levels; these particular diabetics were omnivores, with normal dietary intake and absorption of taurine, so the low levels of taurine in their plasma and platelets was somehow the result of the disease, and not just a lack of dietary input; and the platelet stickiness in vegetarians is usually chalked down to, and can at least partially be corrected by,  the low intake of omega-3 fatty acids in typical vegetarian diets. In the diabetic subjects, however, taurine supplements did help to normalize their high plate stickiness, perhaps because the disease would quickly use up the taurine in their diets because the metabolic abnormalities of diabetes increase free radical production, and taurine appears to be needed to quench kinds of radicals involved in speeding the formation of the same AGE detected at high levels in vegetarians in the earlier report. Taurine can also sop up some of the reactive metabolic byproducts of sugar metabolism inside of cells, which are generated in excess in diabetes. Extra taurine therefore is simply making up for increased demand for its normal physiological function in diabetic subjects.

 

Thus, McCarty hypothesizes that  low taurine levels resulting from a lack of dietary taurine  in vegetarian diets might impair those same functions in an otherwise-normal subject, so that we can’t keep up even with the normal production of those same free radicals (and, I might add, AGE precursors), leading to stickier platelets and higher AGE levels.[47],[48]

 

How much to take? Studies in British and American populations report average intakes below 100 milligrams a day, but with a few people getting as much as 400 mg; the Japanese have a much lower floor on intake, with estimated consumption based on urinary excretion being in the 200 to 400 mg range, and the Spanish and Portuguese are in between, coming in at an estimated 160 to 200 mg. As we noted, those same urinary excretion studies found a steep curve of protection from ischaemic heart disease, with an apparenat plateau around the high end of intake in some communities in Japan, and this closely matches the extra 400 mg found to normalize platelet aggregation in diabetics (over and above, however, their usual dietary intake), which as we’ve discussed might have parallels to the situation with vegetarians due to the shared low plasma taurine levels. Happily, taurine supplements usually come in 500-1000 mg capsules, within the ballpark of high intake from a fish-rich omnivorous diet. Of course, even quite high intakes from a fish-rich diet are lower than what has been used in most clinical trials, but this article is to inform otherwise-healthy people who don’t eat meat, not to give medical advice to patients with heart failure.

 

Muddle on – in Meatless Good Health

Conditionally-essential nutrients are a controversial enough area in the omnivorous population; the case with vegetarians is by its nature even more nebulous. These are clearly not ‘essential’ nutrients in the strict sense, and unless there’s something wrong with you there’s no equivalent to megaloblastic anemia from a lack of carnosine in the diet. There are no RDAs, no reference ranges, no clear functional tests. While clearly not strong enough for official recommendations, I personally do not see much reason for concern about using supplements to introduce these nutrients into the vegetarian diet at levels typically consumed by omnivores – although in only a couple of cases (taurine and creatine) would I say that there is a clear and specific basis for thinking that it might help to optimize such diets – and even in those cases, there are no long-term studies to really say how much, if any, benefit or risk they confer.

 

So while emphasizing rigor in analyzing the rest of your diet and supplement regimen, in this case I can only present what’s known and leave you to your educated hunches: until better data is available, you’ll just have to muddle through. [49]

 

 


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#6 albedo

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Posted 10 June 2023 - 11:21 AM

Thank you Pamojja. The old good times when Michel had time to write here.


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Posted 12 June 2023 - 11:23 AM

Does anyone know of any co-factors that are necessary to make Taurine supplementation effective?  Could taking it in high doses use up anything that we'd want to be sure to replenish? 

 

Since I have literally a dozen bottles of the stuff lying around, this news inspires me to experiment with it again.  


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