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[jonano]

Hi,

Many people dont realise what a life of 10 000 years could bring. I suggest to make a list about the things that this life could bring.

1) Work on bigger works, bigger challenges.
2) Study more longly
3) Travel on earth and in space
4) Discover new technologies
5) Learn many languages and cultures
6) Discover and watch new and more scientific discoveries
7) Understand better what`s the universe can offer us
8) Discover new/good foods
9) Save and work for more money in your bank account
10) Meet and know more people and sex partner.
11) Experience a more comfortable world
12) Discover and watch more videos, film
13) Read more books
14) Reach/Practice a better level of discipline (sports)

What else ?

--Jon

[zoolander]

15)give up smoking.

WOW! How many mondays are there in 10,000 years?

I don't smoke but hear my friends say that they are going to give up after the weekend all the time.

[caston]

Definately space. Immortality and space exploration go hand in hand.

[maestro949]

Many people dont realise what a life of 10 000 years could bring. I suggest to make a list about the things that this life could bring.

[quote]1) Work on bigger works, bigger challenges.[/quote]

With Super AI will there be any challenges our puny brains can tackle that we can't simply put an AI agent on? There will probably be a long period of time where human-AI interfaces are the optimal means of tackling science but at some point the AIs of the future will eclipse what we can do.

[quote]2) Study more longly[/quote]

With brain-wiki interfaces will there be any piece of knowledge you can't access within a fempto second?

[quote]3) Travel on earth and in space[/quote]

Unless we find ways to travel beyond light speed. Space exploration is going to be limited to telescopes for some time to come.


[quote]4) Discover new technologies[/quote]

Technologies are created rather than "discovered." At some point, we will reach a point of diminishing returns where assembling atoms into different widgets produces anything remotely more useful than the previous version of the same widget.

[quote]5) Learn many languages and cultures[/quote]

With trends towards globalism and communications standards aren't these going to homogenize over time? Will you just be learning dead languages like Latin or Slovincian.


[quote]6) Discover and watch new and more scientific discoveries[/quote]

At some point we are going to reach a point of collective universal knowledge where newsworthy breakthroughs will be hundreds if not thousands of years apart.

[quote]7) Understand better what`s the universe can offer us[/quote]

Minus the obvious end to suffering and improvements in efficiency, what if this is as good as it gets?

[quote]8) Discover new/good foods[/quote]

In the long term, will food be necessary? You will mostly be synthetic. Think replacement parts and upgrades rather than messy biofuels.

[quote]9) Save and work for more money in your bank account[/quote]

Money as we know it today will obsolete at some point.

[quote]10) Meet and know more people and sex partner.[/quote]

This is a good one but you might enjoy your AI pals better.

[quote]11) Experience a more comfortable world[/quote]

Indeed, a perfectly controlled climate would be nice.

[quote]12) Discover and watch more videos, film[/quote]

How about participation based entertainment.

[quote]13) Read more books[/quote]

History will be interesting thousands of years from now. Can you believe we used to...{fill in blank here}

[quote]14) Reach/Practice a better level of discipline (sports)[/quote]

Yes - I think entertainment and sports will be interesting for awhile but once we're all synthetic there will not be much challenge.

[quote]What else ?[/quote]

I like the idea of experiencing psychadelic drug affects (without the side affects or long term disruption) and pushing the mind in different directions that it can't experience today. Mind upgrades have you. Being able to think and process many streams of thought in parallel would be cool as would building in new sensory devices. I'm jeaolous that dolphins have echolocation and many animals have built in GPS. Eliminating the need for sleep will be a nice upgrade. A music jukebox wired to my auditory system, built in communications/telepathy/presence device and internet access to information will be nice plugins. The one sensory upgrade I'd really like more than anything is to be able to sense and experience the currently undetectable structure or dimensions of the universe that we have yet to discover. Once we can do that, I think it will radically alter our TODO list greatly.

[jc1991]

With Super AI will there be any challenges our puny brains can tackle that we can't simply put an AI agent on? There will probably be a long period of time where human-AI interfaces are the optimal means of tackling science but at some point the AIs of the future will eclipse what we can do.

Unless I become an AI of course. And even if I don't, I don't always do things because I have to. I do many things because I like doing them.
If I had a near infinite lifespan, god-like powers, and nothing better to do, I'd probably go find an unoccupied corner of the galaxy and start building a dyson sphere or another type of megastructure. There are many interesting projects that even an AI would probably find daunting, and there are many of these projects that I would enjoy taking on.

Unless we find ways to travel beyond light speed. Space exploration is going to be limited to telescopes for some time to come.

Again, if I have a near infinite lifespan I don't have to worry much about timescale. I can go out on a ship traveling at near light speed and take a few thousand years to get where I want to go. It doesn't matter much to me, since I'll be asleep for most of the time. (And when I'm not, I'll be doing something, not just standing around and waiting.)

In the long term, will food be necessary? You will mostly be synthetic. Think replacement parts and upgrades rather than messy biofuels.

Not necessary, perhaps, but necessary and interesting are two different things. I can eat things that are new or that taste good, even if I don't have to do so to survive.


Just pointing out the merit behind a few of these applications. I agree on most of your points though.

[maestro949]

There are many interesting projects that even an AI would probably find daunting, and there are many of these projects that I would enjoy taking on.

Agreed. I just think that reduction and exploration will eventually be so far beyond what our senses can fathom that, as you you state, unless we are significantly enhanced to compute the mathematics that advanced AI is processing, we will effectively have to (or choose to) put our faith that the AIs are building both the theories and tests cases effectively. Take String Theory for example. While I'm interested in the basic concepts behind it, I don't fully get it nor do I care to spend many years learning the mathematical models that it relies upon.

If I had a near infinite lifespan, god-like powers, and nothing better to do, I'd probably go find an unoccupied corner of the galaxy and start building a dyson sphere or another type of megastructure.

Ooh, a BDO. [tung]. Personally I want to look for the universe's CTRL-ALT-DEL switch and see if I can reboot it. From afar of course.

Again, if I have a near infinite lifespan I don't have to worry much about timescale. I can go out on a ship traveling at near light speed and take a few thousand years to get where I want to go. It doesn't matter much to me, since I'll be asleep for most of the time. (And when I'm not, I'll be doing something, not just standing around and waiting.)

Oh my. I can imagine it now. Are we there yet? No. Go back to sleep. I think this is why the game Solitaire was invented. It can be played a trillion times and the challenge remains the same.

Not necessary, perhaps, but necessary and interesting are two different things. I can eat things that are new or that taste good, even if I don't have to do so to survive.

Why go through the effort when you can just click a button on your Playstatin 3000 (telepathically of course) that stimulates the area of the brain that controls your taste receptors. Want varieity? Mix up the signals a bit.

[jackinbox]

Boredom.

[ameldedic2]

Are we even sure our planet or humans are going to exist in 10,000 years? 10,000 years is a immense time period, considring that people are going to be genius in several centuries.

[Ghostrider]

You also missed one other good point. One would be able to retire after only a short amount of time and live (until the next financial disaster) off of interest alone. Without health problems to deplete what one has saved, one could literally not have to work at all and become more wealthy just by investing conservatively - government bonds, low-growth high-stability mutual funds, etc.

[Athanasios]

You also missed one other good point.  One would be able to retire after only a short amount of time and live (until the next financial disaster) off of interest alone.  Without health problems to deplete what one has saved, one could literally not have to work at all and become more wealthy just by investing conservatively - government bonds, low-growth high-stability mutual funds, etc.

I think this is only true when you have a fresh batch of young people that do not have this advantage. Although, I do think necessities will be easier to come by, allowing people to live more creative lives if they wish. This thought makes me value the artistic side of things more and more.

[treonsverdery]

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Edited by treonsverdery, 01 November 2006 - 03:48 AM.

[jonano]

Discover and experience new music. I missed it. It`s important to convince people to sign up for cryonics with such positive experience that we will get in the future with a long life.

[quadclops]

16) Maybe time enough to discover life on other worlds.

Meeting and greeting non-human alien peoples, . . . and perhaps making wierd alien moogy with them! [tung]

[JohnDoe1234]

Definately space. Immortality and space exploration go hand in hand.

Ditto