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[mattihoo]

About a week ago I found this page School of Phenomenal Memory and purchased a course of them. After two email lessons I have some basic skills and can memorize dozens words and numbers. After all 59 lessons I should be able to memorize even books. The idea is to code information into visual images and and connect those images auxiliary images you have created beforehand. They describe their system and theory behind their methods in free e-book GSM manual.

Do you use any memorization systems and are they practical? I mean, this school promises it is better than any other memorization systems and what I understand GSM manual they even might be. In GSM manual it is stated that intellect is basicly amount of mental algorithms person possess and therefore good memory is crucial at gaining any kind of success. And when you think it, memory maybe is the most important thing we have.

[eldar]

Anyone had any experiences with this GMS system, ie is this really some sort of mnemonic teaching program or just a simple scam?
Not to attack the system or anything but the whole thing just doesn't come out very credible, and the fact that this is mattihoo's first post doesn't help either.

Nevertheless this still caught my curiosity, so any additional info would be welcomed.

[Mind]

I also have "first post" suspicions.

[JohnDoe1234]

Hmm.... it is definitely an advertisement... but, after reading though their site and how they explain things it just seems like something that if it doesn't work on you they will say you didn't do it right... It would seem to me that if they are suddenly able to 'market' this stuff... you could probably find very similar techniques elsewhere on the web... I'm downlading a demonstration video right now... so yeah mattihoo, any more information would be very useful.

[attis]

I prefer old school mneumonics[sp?] to remember things. Too bad it doesn't work for where I leave my car keys though. oO

[mattihoo]

I'm little embarrassed about that first post. I admit that it's advertisement. When I write it I felt that GMS is really really really great thing and that it is my duty to spread the word. I felt that although my post looks like advertisement it wouldn't matter because you would understand how great system it is and therefore buy courses and spread the word and the world would become little bit better place.

You might have already guessed that I'm not the most stable person on earth.

Truth is that I have studied two email lesson with exercises and that my skill at transforming words and numbers into visual images and connecting those images each other is increased. And that way my ability to remember set of numbers and words has gotten better. However I can't say that this course will change my life and that I will be able to memorize books because I started the course a week ago. Neither can I say will I learn all the skills the school promises I would learn.

At he moment I'm pretty confident that they will deliver what they promised. Although I really want this to work so I'm not the most objective judge considering the School of Phenomenal memory. And I have even purchased course of theirs. I might be subconsciously extremly biased. Oh well.

In GSM manual the whole system is explained pretty widely. The school advertises that they will teach a skill and therefore thay can give the information about GSM freely in form of a pdf. They say that the GMS is developed in Russia about ten yeas ago or so and that their school is the only english source of GMS theory and education. GSM is supposly based on original memory theory and other memorization technicues and systems are analyzed and partly assimilated to it.

Their website is pretty impressive, but what bothers me is that basicly it is one big advertisement. What they say might be true, but what if isn't. There must be some thruth there. Maybe everything is true. I don't know. I kinda hoped someone here could say if what GSM manual says about memory is valid.

In the school forums, which are pretty dead, is this one thread where one of the Team members answers to some sceptic questions about the school and the system.

Edited by mattihoo, 02 October 2006 - 09:38 AM.

[JohnDoe1234]

I've never heard of that... it seems like it would be a very good method, I'll try it out on my morning walks... but yeah I think a personally-developed system would be your best shot, even though the GSM method most likely does have some sort of validity it is probably not the best way to do things...

My impression of the system is that it is a college student who took some psychology/prep classes and decided to make a some extra money on the side, even though it may work, you are probably better off figuring out on your own.

[pmemory]

Hi guys!

My name is Ruslan M and I am the founder of the school. I’ve checked my log files and found that some of the people get to my site from here, so that is why I am here too.

1. mattihoo I would like to know your name. And I have some questions for you. Why you haven’t asked me about the concerns you have? You can use our forum to get the answers. Why are you trying to ask someone who knows nothing about GMS and what we do? You are a student of the School and you are always welcome to contact me.

Now… let’s be realistic here, you are on the second lesson and as I said in my introduction letter first course is only a first step on your way of getting Phenomenal Memory and the Phenomenal Memory has nothing to do with mnemonics or some kind of memorization technique or two. It is a memorization skill. Memorization happens as natural as breathing and there are no limits what to memorize; random numbers or entire books.

Some people said that it is better to come up with your own technique and you are more than welcome to do that and all you get is ability to play with random digits and words. Same ability you can get from various books on memory improvement. I don’t want my school to be placed in the same category with them. We teach and our goal is to get every single student a Phenomenal Memory. You cannot memorize entire books when you don’t know how to create correct structure of information in your head, without powerful attention stability, without powerful visual thinking, without methods of saving and deleting memorized information, etc. and guess what? You cannot get any of these characteristics in a week, same way you cannot build muscles in a week. Every decent skill takes time to build.

Few more words. I don’t want people to believe me, I want people to go, read and try it out. You can read GMS Manual and you can try some of the stuff that explained there, and yes when you have a Phenomenal Memory there are no limits and I want to ask you to contact me if you have any questions and please check some of my articles, you will find a lot of interesting material there.

Now, I will answer to all of your questions if you have any. I don’t see any reason for you to ask anyone else about my school

[JohnDoe1234]

So... um... Ruslan M, why haven't you played on Jeoparty, The Price Is Right, Who Wants to be A Milionaire yet? you could make some serious money, and with that, you wouldn't have to try to sell this to us... we would come to you

[pmemory]

So... um... Ruslan M, why haven't you played on Jeoparty, The Price Is Right, Who Wants to be A Milionaire yet? you could make some serious money, and with that, you wouldn't have to try to sell this to us... we would come to you

Why would I? I’ve got better things to do. Image how much information I need to find, read and memorize about history and other stuff to win.
Phenomenal Memory does not define my personal life but it surely enriches it. Phenomenal Memory is a tool, nothing else. It’s up to you how and where you are going to use it.
And by the way I don’t watch TV I don’t have time for it, so the only game I know is Who wants to be a Millionaire.

[JohnDoe1234]

Ruslan, I rarely watch TV myself, I am engrossed in my own projects as well, but you have to have heard of Jeoparty at least once [tung]

Phenomenal Memory is a tool, nothing else. It’s up to you how and where you are going to use it.

Well, what else would it be, lol... of course it is a tool, now, why not use it in a potentially more effective way to make money? winning a gameshow would also double as a killer advertisement for your little PM bussiness...

Personally, (and correct me if I am wrong anyone), most people won't buy into a marketing scheme such as this, because with a memory as powerful as yours Ruslan, surely you could find something more productive to do than to make a website 'selling' your techiniques I sure could, with a memory as

One thing that people are looking at is how *you* are using your PM, enlighten us, what do you do in your spare time?, how many books a week do you read?, where do you work, and how does PM play a role in your job?, are you still in college? (and if so what kind of grades are you getting because of the PM?)... those things can make or break a bussiness based on this sort of thing.

By the way... if that demo video on your website is infact true... your system is incredible, but a video such as that proves nothing... it would be extremely simple to 'fake' such a video for marketing purposes.

[pmemory]

Ruslan]

Phenomenal Memory is a tool, nothing else. It’s up to you how and where you are going to use it.

Well, what else would it be, lol... of course it is a tool, now, why not use it in a potentially more effective way to make money? winning a gameshow would also double as a killer advertisement for your little PM bussiness...

Personally, (and correct me if I am wrong anyone), most people won't buy into a marketing scheme such as this, because with a memory as powerful as yours Ruslan, surely you could find something more productive to do than to make a website 'selling' your techiniques I sure could, with a memory as

One thing that people are looking at is how *you* are using your PM, enlighten us, what do you do in your spare time?, how many books a week do you read?, where do you work, and how does PM play a role in your job?, are you still in college? (and if so what kind of grades are you getting because of the PM?)... those things can make or break a bussiness based on this sort of thing.

By the way... if that demo video on your website is infact true... your system is incredible, but a video such as that proves nothing... it would be extremely simple to 'fake' such a video for marketing purposes.

josephjah, thank you for your great advices on how to live my life. You probably have incredible achievements in yours so you would tell other people what to do. Thank you also for telling me how to run my school. Now I feel very confident about its future, because it is impossible not to achieve success with such an experienced adviser.

Unfortunately you missed some of the key points I’ve made, so please read my post again, because I will not answer them again.
I don’t sell techniques and I am not trying to convince anyone about my course. I don’t want people to believe me. I want people to read and understand. I want people to try it out and make sure that it works and that is why I don’t have to prove anything.

I can surely tell that you have not read any of my articles where you can find all the answers to your questions so please visit the website and read. I don’t have time to explain same stuff for you over and over again.

[zchuss]

why have you not done the world memory competion.....I have studied everything I could for the last 20 years and no one has ever made claims as grand as yours...I would like to see someone from your course back up the advertisements on your web site.......and as for the comments to the last entry your reponce was that of a cornered rabbit....I suggest nlp as a further subject you may consider learning.

[pmemory]

why have you not done the world memory competion.....I have studied everything I could for the last 20 years and no one has ever made claims as grand as yours...I would like to see someone from your course back up the advertisements on your web site.......and as for the comments to the last entry your reponce was that of a cornered rabbit....I suggest nlp as a further subject you may consider learning.

Thank you for your advice, but I don't need NLP. You can find answers to your questions here: www.Pmemory.com
Everything is explain in great details.

[zchuss]

I have read the details on your site concerning the use of mnemonics and its limitations,well if you want to call them that.
The problem that I do have is concerning the system that you use,the manual that is supposed to be available in the pdf format does not download and I ahve tried this many times without success.

My other concern is the closed door attitude that would appear to be surrounding the way in which your new and improved system is claimed to work, I have not spoken to one of your students and more importantley one that has studied mnemonics so would understand the difernce betweeen all other systems and the one your are offering,giving the rest of the world a sound and responsible claim of difference.

I have studied everything that is in print for 20 years and fully understand each and every system that I have read, I have not thought of numbers or data as face value for years as it has become second nature to see all information as images in my minds eye. This is not a forced thing I have to do it has become this way after so many years of practise.......Then I read a adverticement saying this is all wrong and that this new approach is faster and better.

Now Iam not trying to start a fight but only wish to grasp the fudimentle rules that your system is based on with some form a freebie to prove to me this would be indeed worth spending my hard earned cash on pursueing.

Iam by nature a very curious person with 30 years of obsessive learning and 20 years of mnemonicle practice.

The last time I read an ad with such claims was the trachenburg speed system of mathamatics which did give some of its new systems out for free as to prove to anyone intrested it was indeed new and improved,all I have asked of you is the same.

Thanks

[eldar]

I do not wan't to get into the argument about the system itself but I have to comment on a few things here:

The last time I read an ad with such claims was the trachenburg speed system of mathamatics which did give some of its new systems out for free as to prove to anyone intrested it was indeed new and improved,all I have asked of you is the same.

Regarding the free stuff there is the manual...

The problem that I do have is concerning the system that you use, the manual that is supposed to be available in the pdf format does not download and I ahve tried this many times without success.

...and this problem must be on your end. I just tried and it downloads fine, as it has before, you just have to enter the password (which is provided next to the link).

I have not thought of numbers or data as face value for years as it has become second nature to see all information as images in my minds eye. This is not a forced thing I have to do

As I understand this is the fundamental goal in the gms system also.

Edited by ceth, 29 October 2006 - 11:03 PM.

[sentrysnipe]

That is what most autistics have, right, synesthesia?

[zchuss]

thanks for the link but still no joy in downloading the manual and before I go on my thanks for replying so quickly.
My initial aim of joining this site was to understand certain things better by discusstion which unfortunatley this is becoming anything but.
Iam aware of trachenburg and shekunti devi etc and was only used as an example,I could have waffled on about mnemonists or physists.it would have been irrelevant which I chose....(please excuse my spelling as Iam mildley dyslexic...for real)

My point is this...mnemonics is a tool some would call it a crutch as with any form or system in place for anything whether its mathamatics physics,law anything we use to aid a better understanding of a subject could be percieved as such.

My only gripe was the claims made by the site and all I want to see is something to substantiate people like myself who have been using mnemonics for many years and, if this system is as good as you say and can show me some how,other than a jpg movie.ie competion winners or somthing then I would happily pay the course fee.

[zchuss]

Sentrysnipe....autistics use both hemispheres of there brain at the same time,the autistic person may have poor relation skills or learning difficulties,but usualy exell in music maths or art mostly anything that usually requires high ordering of information.

synesthesia on the other hand is the abilty to see sound in varying colours numbers layed out before them, most synesthesia patiants do not appear to do anything superhuman mentaly as a rule, some have but in general they do not.

mnemonics trachenburg or language systems whatever are tools the rest of us mere mortals have to use to fill in the gaps with ever demanding world.

so counting the nine times table on your fingers does not make you a synesthesia or autistic.....just like everyone else on this god forbidden rock....normal

[pmemory]

I have read the details on your site concerning the use of mnemonics and its limitations,well if you want to call them that.
The problem that I do have is concerning the system that you use,the manual that is supposed to be available in the pdf format does not download and I ahve tried this many times without success.

My other concern is the closed door attitude that would appear to be surrounding the way in which your new and improved system is claimed to work, I have not spoken to one of your students and more importantley one that has studied mnemonics so would understand the difernce betweeen all other systems and the one your are offering,giving the rest of the world a sound and responsible claim of difference.

I have studied everything that is in print for 20 years and fully understand each and every system that I have read, I have not thought of numbers or data as face value for years as it has become second nature to see all information as images in my minds eye. This is not a forced thing I have to do it has become this way after so many years of practise.......Then I read a adverticement saying this is all wrong and that this new approach is faster and better.

Now Iam not trying to start a fight but only wish to grasp the fudimentle rules that your system is based on with some form a freebie to prove to me this would be indeed worth spending my hard earned cash on pursueing.

Iam by nature a very curious person with 30 years of obsessive learning and 20 years of mnemonicle practice.

The last time I read an ad with such claims was the trachenburg speed system of mathamatics which did give some of its new systems out for free as to prove to anyone intrested it was indeed new and improved,all I have asked of you is the same.

Thanks

I would not call my behavior as a "closed door attitude". The time when I had to prove something is gone. I have created entire website with proofs. I believe it is waste of time to have long discussions with people who can't spend 30 minutes on the website.

For example your concern about not having students who are capable of comparing different systems is completely wrong, for example:

http://www.pmemory.c...stimonials.html
http://www.pmemory.c...wtopic.php?t=63
http://www.pmemory.c...wtopic.php?t=38
http://www.pmemory.c...wtopic.php?t=41
http://www.pmemory.c...wtopic.php?t=59

I just tried to download GMS Manual and everything works.

Anyway, as you can see I am wasting my time again. I clearly realize that there are tons of people who are very skeptical and they should be. All the systems I know are completely useless and it is also proved by my students. So there is no point to argue with people who don't want to learn it anyway. People who want to learn go to the pmemory.com and read.

Maybe it is a wrong tactic from the business point of view but it is not about money.

Edited by pmemory, 31 October 2006 - 08:29 PM.

[3wisemen]

I have read the details on your site concerning the use of mnemonics and its limitations,well if you want to call them that.
The problem that I do have is concerning the system that you use,the manual that is supposed to be available in the pdf format does not download and I ahve tried this many times without success.

My other concern is the closed door attitude that would appear to be surrounding the way in which your new and improved system is claimed to work, I have not spoken to one of your students and more importantley one that has studied mnemonics so would understand the difernce betweeen all other systems and the one your are offering,giving the rest of the world a sound and responsible claim of difference.

I have studied everything that is in print for 20 years and fully understand each and every system that I have read, I have not thought of numbers or data as face value for years as it has become second nature to see all information as images in my minds eye. This is not a forced thing I have to do it has become this way after so many years of practise.......Then I read a adverticement saying this is all wrong and that this new approach is faster and better.

Now Iam not trying to start a fight but only wish to grasp the fudimentle rules that your system is based on with some form a freebie to prove to me this would be indeed worth spending my hard earned cash on pursueing.

Iam by nature a very curious person with 30 years of obsessive learning and 20 years of mnemonicle practice.

The last time I read an ad with such claims was the trachenburg speed system of mathamatics which did give some of its new systems out for free as to prove to anyone intrested it was indeed new and improved,all I have asked of you is the same.

Thanks

I would not call my behavior as a "closed door attitude". The time when I had to prove something is gone. I have created entire website with proofs. I believe it is waste of time to have long discussions with people who can't spend 30 minutes on the website.

For example your concern about not having students who are capable of comparing different systems is completely wrong, for example:

http://www.pmemory.c...stimonials.html
http://www.pmemory.c...wtopic.php?t=63
http://www.pmemory.c...wtopic.php?t=38
http://www.pmemory.c...wtopic.php?t=41
http://www.pmemory.c...wtopic.php?t=59

I just tried to download GMS Manual and everything works.

Anyway, as you can see I am wasting my time again. I clearly realize that there are tons of people who are very skeptical and they should be. All the systems I know are completely useless and it is also proved by my students. So there is no point to argue with people who don't want to learn it anyway. People who want to learn go to the pmemory.com and read.

Maybe it is a wrong tactic from the business point of view but it is not about money.

some links are not available.

P.s. I tried your system, I'll be honest this is similar to harry loraines super memory book and dominic o'brien's journey system. The phenomenal memory alphabet is a variation of the Major system.

What makes you different is you gave loads of exercises (which exercises the mind, in effect really does make your memory better). That's just it. Your system works, but it's no different form Harry Loraine's, Dominic O'brien or Tony Buzan's books or memory teachings. ^^ Peace

[thereisway]

this is an old historic thread but I would like to bump it up for anyone interested in memory improvement with pmemory discussed in part here by Dave Asprey and Mattias Ribbing of BulletProofCoffee

 

Edited by thereisway, 03 December 2014 - 11:36 PM.