22 replies to this topic

[jonano]

Hi,

One of my idea would be to dedicate a statue to the pioneer of life extension research in my city here in the province of Quebec, Trois
Rivieres.

The statue would be as tall as 5 meters. The budget for each statue would be around 50 000$. The architecture of the site would also be
designed to attract journalists and people.

I search some pioneers in the field but I dont know everybody, if you can help let me know.

Some names I envision:

Aubrey DeGrey
Robert Ettinger
Robert Freitas

--Jon

Edited by jonano, 02 October 2006 - 01:59 PM.

[Lazarus Long]

A statue of the dimensions you are now suggesting still costs upward of a hundred thousand dollars or more to construct depending on the material.

[Lazarus Long]

Your idea is interesting although a bit premature I would say. I doubt Aubrey would like to see a statue before seeing success in SENS but you are well intentioned and the subject is worthy of discussion.

I also find it interesting as I was about to post on the Nobel Prize awarded to two Americans this morning for their work on RNA interference.

[FunkOdyssey]

In addition to the great (wasteful IMO) expense and prematurity when results have not yet been produced, they might be premature in another sense: aren't statues usually built to celebrate the deceased? I would also worry that a monument would contribute further to our existing tendency to deify life extension pioneers.

[Lazarus Long]

I am putting this thread in Suggestions too BTW.

And the thought about such efforts being usually to celebrate the deceased was one aspect I was implying when I suggested it was *premature*.

The inflation of already stuffed shirts is a risk but I don't think that is the worst problem we face in Aubrey's case. I just think the misdirection of resources is probably what he would be most upset about.

[jonano]

Is it crazy ?

[bgwowk]

Yes. Please forget it and concentrate on your fashion business.

[jonano]

It was just an idea I never said that I didnot want to concentrate on fashion. I cannot be 100% focused on one main topic. You might say the opposite. I focus alot on fashion however.

[AdamDavis]

Yes.  Please forget it and concentrate on your fashion business.

No, don't forget it. The loss of information and ideas is tragic...

The idea is inventive, although, in my honest opinion, I find it inappropriate considering life extensionism is a community composed of thousands of people, where every contribution counts.

[jonano]

First focus on fashion and then when Im retired (50 years old) I can spend everywhere my money.

I have many projects in my head, dont worry!

--Jon

[mitkat]

Please forget it and concentrate on your fashion business.

When does the Jonano label come in stores?

Prometheus, are you as excited as I am about the new Jonano line? Probably not, I'm like totally maxxxing out all my credit cards on it. Pure player for real.

[AdamDavis]

Guys...we are supposed to support each other on our personal ventures, not bring down each other's aspirations. It's ridiculous to do so; what is your problem?

[maestro949]

Right. We should be encouraging Jonano to merge his passion of fashion (cute eh?) and life extension. Perhaps work on a line of nanotech materialed clothing that blocks radiation from doing cellular damage.

[jonano]

Here is my collection:

http://jonathandespr...ection2007.html

I still need an investor or a partner to start to sell in stores.

mitkat and prometheus I still wait their excuses,

--Jon

[caston]

Do you sell online?

[Centurion]

Some of that stuff is pretty good.
http://www.jonathand...tory/item36.gif

I like that one. Niiiice

[mitkat]

Sorry Jonano, I have actual style. I don't know how to say it any other way. That's my "excuse", didn't realize I needed to show you one. We don't need statues dedicated to pioneers in the field, but, as it's been said countless times, we need really good work done right now. Do your part and stop jibba-jabbin' daydream about statues.

[AdamDavis]

Sorry Jonano, I have actual style. I don't know how to say it any other way. That's my "excuse", didn't realize I needed to show you one. We don't need statues dedicated to pioneers in the field, but, as it's been said countless times, we need really good work done right now. Do your part and stop jibba-jabbin' daydream about statues.

That is completely unfair, unless you can justify your attitude towards Jonathan. People, including transhumanists, can go any direction they wish, be it fashion, statues and scultpure, music, beauty, et cetera, without feeling pressurised by other transhumanists to make a contribution to the scientific side of it.

[mitkat]

I can justify it by saying I consider that to be an enormous waste of potential funds, scientific or not. A statue is incredibly frivolous - sorry if that's harsh, but I'm not going to lie about it. That could be hundreds of thousands of dollars spent on ANYTHING. It could be a massive marketing campaign; we've discussed in many posts pervious different ways to garner traffic and interest for the Institute, MPrize, etc, it could be actual funding, it could be such a myriad of things with money better spent. Possibly more importantly, are we so quick to make heros of ourselves when so much work is still very theoretical?

I am a huge believer in the multi-faceted nature of transhumanism. I understand very well that it not simply a "science" movement, as I've mentioned many, many times. It's nice to see people formulating ideas to help out, but it's important to voice opinions as to their relevancy and feasibility.

And as for the "fashion", I don't need to explain myself there at all.

[Centurion]

Fashion is a highly subjective thing, moreso than most would admit. The big trends are just the result of many people lacking in willpower having trends forced upon them. There are also many people who happen to like the trendy stuff, I do quite often myself, it is only inevitable considering the latest thing is always right in front of you.

As for Jons collection, I'd try to stay away from the stylized name approach, big names can get away with it, but new names need to be a bit more tenative at the start. I liked the one I linked to earlier because of the way it was shaped, would look absolutely fantastic on a woman with a good figure.

The statue... premature I'm afraid. Not enough people even recognise transhumanism and life extension as the way forward yet. In the future it is no doubt possible, if not probable that momuments to leaders in these fields will be erected. At the moment its a bit much.

I'm in agreement with the mitmeister here, if his opinion is hard to accept, you have to take a look at the vicious fickle nature of fashion consumers and see he is being tame by comparison.

My advice on the fashion line, keep the more vintage items, they look pretty good, with the non vintage stuff in brighter colours, consider adopting a more tongue in cheek approach to the visibility of the branding.