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#1 meatwad

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Posted 14 October 2006 - 11:21 AM


I usualy don't recommend any supplements because of all that I have taken I have not felt that any have "really" boosted my QOL.

I can now recommend (safely? Who the hell knows, use at your own risk) vitamin b12 or methyl b12 injections to everyone who is
within distance.

If I could, I would load up a syringe and pin people who look sleepy. I would inject my mother and brother.

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SO if your eating 10000 racetams and stimulants and your brain is still foggy, and your searching for the next
big nootropic, then go get yourself b12 injectables.

And if your brain is telling you "sublingual works just as well!!11!!1!!1" then go ahead and step away from the light.

#2 Ghostrider

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Posted 15 October 2006 - 01:12 AM

B12? Why does it need to be injected vs. other forms of ingestion?

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#3 meatwad

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Posted 15 October 2006 - 01:45 AM

" Absorption of vitamin B12 is a complex process, subject to problems at several points.
B12 from animal food enters the stomach as part of animal proteins and must first be liberated by pepsin and hydrochloric acid. Free B12 then attaches to R-protein, which is released from the salivary cells and parietal cells (the same cells that release hydrochloric acid). To be absorbed efficiently, B12 must attach to a protein called intrinsic factor (IF) which is also secreted in the stomach. This cannot happen until the R-protein complexes are broken down by pancreatic enzymes in the small intestine. B12 then binds with the intrinsic factor and proceeds through the gut to the lower portion of the small intestine, where the intrinsic factor-B12 complex attaches to cell receptors, a process that involves calcium.

Thus, deficiencies in pepsin, hydrochloric acid, R-protein, pancreatic enzymes, intrinsic factor, calcium and cell receptors can all lead to B12 deficiency through blocked absorption.
Once in the bloodstream, transport proteins bind to B12 and deliver it to the cells. Within the cells, enzymes liberate B12 from the protein complex and convert it to its two coenzyme forms, methylcobalamin and adenosylcobalamin. Deficiency in the required enzymes can block this conversion.

Because the absorption process is so complicated, and therefore subject to various blocks, many people--particularly the elderly--may develop deficiencies even though they are taking in plentiful B12 in their food. "

Not to truncate the quote, but the very next paragraph states

". Fortunately, the body absorbs about 1-5 percent of free B12 by a process of passive diffusion. Thus supplementation with large doses of crystalline B12 or with foods extremely rich in B12 can successfully treat deficiencies caused by compromised protein digestion or lack of R-protein, intrinsic factor or pancreatic enzymes. Supplementation with the coenzyme forms methylcobalamin and adenosylcobalamin (the forms found in the cells) can overcome B12 deficiency in the cells caused by lack of, or malfunction of, conversion enzymes."

Most interesting, From the article.

President Kennedy has been quoted as having said he would never have become president without injections of B12(2)

http://www.westonapr...vitaminb12.html

Elsewhere I have read the actual size of hte molecule makes it impossible for sublingual absorption, but I am not going to hunt for sources.

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#4 almac_uk

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Posted 15 October 2006 - 11:32 AM

Sounds interesting! Was just wondering where on earth you get it? I live in the UK...

thanks




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