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Marquis De Sade: Atheism's Messiah


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#1 Casanova

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Posted 23 June 2003 - 05:34 AM


Atheism is so peachy keen, and clean, and cool, and far-out, and oh so innocent.
Reason; it's all based on reason.

Yeah, sure ....

Here is a great example of where Atheism, and Materialism, eventually take the individual, and society; to the philosophy of the Marquis De Sade.
There is nothing outside of humanity, that is better than humanity, or that can give constructive, life-affirming, guidance to humanity; so we are left with each other; collectively alone. Add a pinch of post-modernism, and even the mental, emotional, and "spirtual", dimensions of humanity, are jettisoned; we are empty inside, and standing on relativistic sand, so to speak.
As a result; there is nothing to prevent the basest forms of human behaviour from errupting forth. If there is no moral and ethical highground, then nothing remains but the beast.

Read the nightmarish non-fiction book, "The Saturated Self" written by a post-modernist, true believer. It is blueprint for social catastrophe, and in my opinion belongs on the same shelf with "Mein Kampf."

Read the materialisitic philosophical writings of the Marquis De Sade, and especially as they are expressed, through the speeches given by his mass murderess character, Clairwil.

The final end of the road for Aethism/Materialism is Sadism. The bored cyborgian Eternals of Kurzweilia, will eventually degenerate into practitioners of cruelty. Their atheism gives them a hollow, dead, meaningless, universe. So, fill up the empty days with situations right out of the vicious imaginings, of the Marquis De Sade. Why not?
Whole virtual worlds based on the stories, and novels, of Sade can be created with the super-computers, and each Eternal can be exquisitly tortured to virtual death, over, and over, again. Take turns being a masochist, or a sadist.

Maybe the bored, jaded, atheistic, Eternals, will build statues of Clariwil, Juliette, and the Marquis, out of carbon nanotube material.

If there are any sub-humans still alive, or original-humans rather, the Eternals could have a Sadean blast using them as torture material, for there fun and games.

I wouldn't be saying all this, if we were building our technological future with a religion of compassion, at it's center. But we are not.
At the core of the technological enterprise, and at the core of late-capitalism, is a cold, cruel, vacuous, heart, and they will only take us to oblivion, in one form, or another.
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Edited by Casanova, 23 June 2003 - 05:41 AM.


#2 kevin

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Posted 23 June 2003 - 06:03 AM

What religion would you propose be the center of the society you would build Cas? If it isn't one of the current organized faiths... would it be something totally new? .. and if so.. how will it arise? and on what philosophy will it be based?

Edited by kperrott, 24 June 2003 - 06:02 AM.


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Posted 23 June 2003 - 04:38 PM

Atheism is so peachy keen, and clean, and cool, and far-out, and oh so innocent.
Reason; it's all based on reason.

Yeah, sure ....


Methinks the lady doth protest too much. You would probably do better to spend your time in some serious self-reflection, rather than lashing out so desperately against the voices in your head.

Hugh

Edited by hughbristic, 23 June 2003 - 04:39 PM.


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#4 John Doe

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Posted 23 June 2003 - 06:47 PM

Methinks the lady doth protest too much.


I agree.

Anyone suggesting a necessary link between atheism and Sade's sick fantasies need only visit the reality of sixteenth century Spain.

And if a person wishes to live in a virtual world, tormenting virtual people, what right do we have to stop him?

Edited by John Doe, 23 June 2003 - 06:48 PM.


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Posted 23 June 2003 - 07:03 PM

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Can I remind ALL participants that "ad hominem" arguments (attacking the person of the speaker rather than her reasoning) are usually considered not conducive to debate and tend to lead down a slippery slope into shouting matches.

Can I also encourage participants to refrain from simplistic vociferation, keeping in mind that this is a discussion forum just as much as a stage.





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Posted 23 June 2003 - 08:13 PM

Casanova,

Your ideas are overly simplistic. Your arguments... negative for the sake of being negative.

I, for one, am not an idealist. I do not see the future as necessarily rosy and bright, but I do see hope. Change, progress- these are not bad things if the goal is noble, worthy. But let's be honest, you are typing what you are typing because you want to get on some people's nerves, to ruffle a few feather, heh? Or are you really a theist hanging out in a predominately atheist/agnostic immortality forum? That would be rather odd.

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Posted 23 June 2003 - 08:34 PM

Hey John Doe,

Have you ever watched Dogma? Buddy Christ?? lol

#8 John Doe

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Posted 23 June 2003 - 08:52 PM

Hey John Doe,

Have you ever watched Dogma?  Buddy Christ?? lol


Yes. I use that name on instant messenger programs.

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#9 hughbristic

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Posted 24 June 2003 - 03:02 AM

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Can I remind ALL participants that "ad hominem" arguments (attacking the person of the speaker rather than her reasoning) are usually considered not conducive to debate and tend to lead down a slippery slope into shouting matches.   

Can I also encourage participants to refrain from simplistic vociferation, keeping in mind that this is a discussion forum just as much as a stage.   




I appreciate your attempt at moderation and civility, but I didn't really get that Casanova's post was an invitation to debate as much as a fit of pique bordering on slander. As such, any response is probably as good as another.

Hugh




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