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Fancy living for ever? - Adam Tanner


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#1 Bruce Klein

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Posted 20 July 2003 - 03:52 AM


Fancy living for ever?
Sat Jul 19, 4:54 PM ET
By Adam Tanner

http://story.news.ya..._health_aging_2

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Fancy living another 100 years or more? Some experts say that scientific advances will one day enable humans to last decades beyond what is now seen as the natural limit of the human life span.



"I think we are knocking at the door of immortality," said Michael Zey, a Montclair State University business professor and author of two books on the future. "I think by 2075 we will see it and that's a conservative estimate."


Zey spoke on the sidelines of the annual conference of the World Future Society, a group that ponders how the future will look across many different aspects of society.


In a presentation at the meeting in San Francisco, Donald Louria, a professor at New Jersey Medical School in Newark said advances in manipulating cells and genes as well as nanotechnology make it likely humans will live in the future beyond what has been possible in the past.


"What was science fiction a decade ago is no longer science fiction," he said.


500 YEARS?


"There is a dramatic and intensive push so that people can live from 120 to 180 years," he said. "Some have suggested that there is no limit and that people could live to 200 or 300 or 500 years."


Outside the conference, many scientists who specialise in ageing are sceptical of such claims and say the human body is just not designed to last past about 120 years. Even with healthier lifestyles and less disease, they say failure of the brain and other organs will eventually condemn all humans.


"These people spout off as though a large part of the population is going to be able to do something like this. It's just way beyond reality," said Thomas Perls, who leads the New England Centenarian Study, the largest such analysis of the oldest of the old. "It's just pure science fiction."


"We are fast approaching what our bodies are capable of achieving," he said in a telephone interview. "To get even the average person to be 100 or to get them to 180 is like trying to get a space shuttle to Pluto."


STAMPING OUT DISABILITIES


Any dramatic extension of the human life span would depend on altering the onset of disabilities that accompany the ageing process by changing one's genetic make up, said Harvey Cohen, director of the Centre for the Study of ageing and Human Development at Duke University Medical Centre.


"It's certainly unlikely any time in the near future," he said in an interview. "Sure there is a possibility but there is no data currently available to suggest ways that would happen."


Scientists also differ on what kind of life the super aged might live.


"It remains to be seen if you pass the threshold of say 120, you know; could you be healthy enough to have good quality of life?" said Leonard Poon, director of the University of Georgia Gerontology Centre. "Currently people who could get to that point are not in good health at all."


Poon, who leads a study of more than 150 centenarians in Georgia, cited the case of Jeanne Louise Calment of France, the oldest person on record who died at age 122 in 1997.


"At 122 she was fairly debilitated. I visited her when she was 119 in France and at that time she was pretty much blind and having very much difficulty hearing," he said.

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Posted 20 July 2003 - 04:34 AM

Zey has written a book full of Transhumanist ideas -- The Future Factor (2000), apparently out of print -- but to the best of my knowledge, he's not signed up for cryonic suspension.

Zey's critics are right in that apart from repeated physical overhauls, our biological substrates just can't be kept going indefinitely. The scientists who look to stem cell engineering, cloning and the new, intriguing process of organ printing are probably on the right track for short term fixes. But I suspect we'll need a solution more radical and enduring for the long term, assuming that the bioconservatives of both left and right don't sabotage progress for us.

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Posted 08 August 2003 - 04:25 AM

This article was covered not only by Reuters, but also by CNN on Saturday July 19th.

Included along with the article was a CNN Quick Vote.

If it were possible would you like to live to 500 years?

Yes 45% 14,327
No 39% 12,381
Unsure 16% 4,911
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Total 31,619


Now this is getting down to the nitty gritty of it, is it not? This poll is almost (but not quite) asking DO YOU WANT TO BE IMMORTAL?

Obviously, these numbers are a little more down to earth than the other poll, but still surprisingly (and inspiringly) in our favor. I'll take a plurality any day of the week!!

Bear in mind that the poll is not scientific. CNN online participants are going to skew pro side on this issue. However, it should also be noted that 30,000+ is a very large polling sample, and as such, is probably a good indicator of the center left's position on Immortality (of course, if the word immortality was used the positives would go down because of its controversial social connotation).

I also find it curious that CNN has done two polls directly related to life extension in the past two weeks.

If you want your voice to be heard go click on the link and cast your vote. Granted its a little after the fact, but why not cast your vote for the record? :p) The poll is approximately half way down the page on the right hand side.

www.cnn.com

PS: Has anyone here ever seen a poll of this size conducted on extreme life extension? I know I haven't.

Kissinger

Edited by Kissinger, 08 August 2003 - 05:16 AM.


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