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[jonano]

Hi,

I watch a movie called "Night at the Museum" Owen Wilson said an interesting sentence: "Expand or disapear".

Expand or disapear was the philosophy of people in the USA at the begining of the country history.

At this time, people were making rails and roads all around the country.

I think it would be the same for cryonics. Because if every members dont work enough on the marketing it could be dangerous for cryonics to fall quietly.

--Jon

Edited by Matthias, 10 February 2007 - 10:28 PM.

[Aegist]

I think it would be the same for cryonics. Because if every members dont work enough on the marketing it could be dangerous for cryonics to fall quietly.

--Jon

Cryonics is a failsafe proposal. it is what we resort to if we fail to stay alive. it is not something that really needs promotion. People know about it already. People are either interested, or they aren't. It's not up to us to make them interested.

[Icie Jennifer]

I think it would be the same for cryonics. Because if every members dont work enough on the marketing it could be dangerous for cryonics to fall quietly.--Jon

I though you said "Cryonics don't need marketing".

I think that cryonics does need marketing if done in a professional manner. I see funeral homes market prepaid funerals on TV all the time. One ad saids something like this: "Now is the time to discuss your options because a family crisis is not the time to make final plans. Have your funeral arranged and prepaid so your family won't worry about your final plans. Come talk to us today. So and So Memorial Estates." I not saying to copy their ad, just if funeral homes can place an ad on TV then cryonics could do the same in a respectful way. Here is a storyboard TV Ad I thought of a very long time ago.

[bgwowk]

Cryonics is a failsafe proposal. it is what we resort to if we fail to stay alive. it is not something that really needs promotion.

Except that without a dynamic community continuously supporting it, it wouldn't be there to resort to. By analogy, one might similarly say that infrastructure and knowledge to treat cancer is only something to support if you have cancer, or trauma centers only if you have trauma, etc.

[Aegist]

Cryonics is a failsafe proposal. it is what we resort to if we fail to stay alive. it is not something that really needs promotion.

Except that without a dynamic community continuously supporting it, it wouldn't be there to resort to. By analogy, one might similarly say that infrastructure and knowledge to treat cancer is only something to support if you have cancer, or trauma centers only if you have trauma, etc.

Damn. You are good at this. Fair point again.

So, in order for us to reliably expect cryonics to be there ready for us when our day of judgement comes, we should support them by ..basically..helping them advertise so that they can maintain decent cashflow and keep their business running. Right?

[basho]

Cryonics is a failsafe proposal. it is what we resort to if we fail to stay alive. it is not something that really needs promotion.

Except that without a dynamic community continuously supporting it, it wouldn't be there to resort to. By analogy, one might similarly say that infrastructure and knowledge to treat cancer is only something to support if you have cancer, or trauma centers only if you have trauma, etc.

Damn. You are good at this. Fair point again.

So, in order for us to reliably expect cryonics to be there ready for us when our day of judgement comes, we should support them by ..basically..helping them advertise so that they can maintain decent cashflow and keep their business running. Right?

Isn't one of the best ways of supporting cryonics is to become a member of one of the organizations, thereby providing them with funding? And funding not just for marketing and building the community, but for action to defend against special interest lobby groups pushing agendas detrimental to human cryonic suspension.

I'd join Alcor in an instant if I were living in the U.S., but sadly, lack of access to an agreeable life-insurance company and compulsory cremation in the country I currently reside in work against such a plan. [ang]

[lunarsolarpower]

compulsory cremation in the country I currently reside

Do you live below sea level or something?

[Icie Jennifer]

I'd join Alcor in an instant if I were living in the U.S., but  sadly, lack of access to an agreeable life-insurance company and compulsory cremation in the country I currently reside in work against such a plan.

On page 15 of Cryonics magazine (Summer 2006) show that there are countries that have Alcor members: Australia, Canada, Germany, Mexico, Monaco, The Netherlands, Thailand, The United Kingdom and even a few members in the United States.

Have you talked to Diane Cremeens, Alcor's Membership Department Coordinator, about how to join? (I hope that she doesn't mind me posting that link.)

As far as insurance goes, you are making a donation to a nonprofit organization. I don't try to explain cryonics to them. Some people leave money to the Red Cross, or a church, you just want to leave money to a Life Extension Foundation, Federal Tax Number ---- (I'm not posting their number, you can ask them for that information.)
I never had trouble getting insurance as long as I didn't go crazy on them about wanting to live in the future.

[basho]

Have you talked to Diane Cremeens, Alcor's Membership Department Coordinator, about how to join? (I hope that she doesn't mind me posting that link.)

Thanks Neurosail, I'll have to seriously investigate.

[bgwowk]

Aegist wrote:

So, in order for us to reliably expect cryonics to be there ready for us when our day of judgement comes, we should support them by ..basically..helping them advertise so that they can maintain decent cashflow and keep their business running. Right?

Untargeted mass marketing, as suggested by neurosail, not only doesn't work, but has the potential to bring down all kinds of negative attention. Discussion within groups sophisticated enough to understand it, and philosophically disposed to consider it, has historically worked better.

As an individual, you should also consider signing up. Not only does this help support the organization of your choice, but it's the most realistic path to having it available someday when you need it. The longer it's put off, the more expensive the insurance premiums become, the more mid-life responsibilities mount, and the harder it becomes to justify, which becomes a vicious circle. I've seen it happen.

[Icie Jennifer]

Thanks Neurosail, I'll have to seriously investigate.

Cool! I wish you luck. [thumb]

Untargeted mass marketing, as suggested by neurosail, not only doesn't work, but has the potential to bring down all kinds of negative attention.

I will go to my room and cry now. Crash and burn! (Can't win them all!)

[jonano]

Hi

People like Brian Wowk, who are against the advance of popularity in cryonics think cryonics will succeed without new members.

If there is no new members, and not normal members, but members interested deeply in the help of cryonics patients. Without those members, cryonics will never succeed.

So we need by all means, to promote and help the situation of cryonics as long as possible and we need to be very active.

--Jon

Edited by Matthias, 10 February 2007 - 10:27 PM.

[jonano]

Hi,

I wanted to say that I still believe that cryonics will stay clean only if membership growth is assured.

Also when you talk to people about your choice to be "frozen" use the ternical term "vitrification" and avoid as much as possible to use the term "frozen". That way people won't look at you like a weirdo.

Like I would say:

When my heart stops, I will vitrifiate my brain organ. A scientific team will then be able to do experiments on my body with "mature nanotechnology" I will then probably get a "ageless mamalian organism" which is my goal.

--The Space Traveler.

Edited by jonano, 26 May 2007 - 11:38 PM.