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#1 kevin

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Posted 25 July 2003 - 07:24 AM


Changing attitudes towards euthanasia; Do they indicate a shift towards a higher or lower value for life?

From Eurekalert.org

Public release date: 24-Jul-2003

Contact: Emma Dickinson
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Is legalising euthanasia premature?
Patients' voices are needed in debates on euthanasia BMJ Volume 327, pp 213-5
Legalising euthanasia is premature when we still do not know why patients want it and whether better end of life care would change their views, argue researchers in this week's BMJ.
Euthanasia debates have focused on suffering, respect for patient autonomy, and dignified death, but little evidence is available from patients who desire euthanasia.

A few studies have shown that patients' reasons for wanting euthanasia are not confined to the physical effects of disease, but relate to their whole life experiences. However, more studies are urgently needed to capture their voices, say the authors.

Rather than focusing on assessing the mental competence of patients requesting euthanasia or determining clear legal guidelines, doctors must acquire the skills for providing good end of life care, they add. These include the ability to "connect" with patients, diagnose suffering, and understand patients' hidden agendas through in-depth exploration.

There is much to ponder over the meaning of a euthanasia request before we have to consider its justification. The desire for euthanasia must not be taken at face value, they conclude.


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#2 DJS

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Posted 25 July 2003 - 08:45 AM

I have always been a proponent of euthanasia.

If a patient is terminally ill, suffering immensely, and wants to die; who am I to stop them? People should have the right to live and the right to die. The BMJ's logic is that if a patient wants to die there must be something wrong with their mental state. Consequently the doctor has to psycho-analyze the patient to see why they really want to kill themselves. Couldn't it just be the unbearable pain?? Or maybe they know that they're a goner in a month anyway, so rather than crap themselves for the last month of their life they decide to leave this world in a more dignified way.

This subject really bothers me, and it probably will bother anyone who has had loved ones die slow, painful deaths.

But let me digress a little.

Religion has different mechanisms within it to make it function properly. Each rule or edict has a purpose. In the christian faith one such edict is 'thou shalt not kill thyself'. If you do you're going straight to hell. Why is this a rule? Because it prevents really devout christians from offing themselves and getting their divine reward sooner rather than later.

This pervasive christian mindset is, of course, present in the medical establishment which carries out its anti-euthanasia policies to the extreme.

I always thought the government going after Dr. Kevorkian (sp?) was a christian witch hunt.

#3 kevin

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Posted 05 August 2003 - 02:29 PM

Hi Kissinger,

I found this article which uses the results from the studies done recently in the British Medical Journal to explain why most people do not choose euthanasia where it is freely available.

Is the Case for Euthanasia Dying?

In the studies...

Patients whose sense of self-worth was reaffirmed by good quality end of life care tended to re-evaluate their need for euthanasia. The inference we might make from Mak's work is that doctors can help make the end of their patients' lives better by providing good psychological care, attuned to the individual patient's experiences, rather than by helping the end come quickly.  As Mak says, "the desire for euthanasia must not be taken at face value."

This helps explain, perhaps, why euthanasia is rarely taken up where it is available. A study in the same issue by Dutch researchers from the Netherlands Institute for Health Services Research found that only about 3 in 10,000 patients request euthanasia. The reasons for requesting euthanasia have also changed in the last 25 years. In 1977, over half the requests for euthanasia were related to pain. Since then, as pain management has gotten better, that proportion has slipped to a quarter, with fear of deterioration and a sense of hopelessness having overtaken pain as more frequently stated reasons for the request. Although the number of requests overall has tripled since 1977, the low level of take-up of euthanasia might suggest that worries that its use might increase exponentially following legalization are misplaced. Yet its very rarity might also suggest that there is not the huge unrealized demand for it that its supporters sometimes give the impression there is.


So it would seem that the will to 'hang on' can be countered substantially mostly only through the experience of pain and that the desire for euthaniasia can be reduced by 'good quality of end of life care'.

The article does mention that euthanasia is easier on the relatives of the dying person. I wonder if the proponents of euthanasia aren't perhaps more focussed on the lessening the pain of the watchers and not the watched.

Regardless, I wholeheartedly support the choice of an individual to choose the time of their departure.


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In regards to your digression, I think that 'thou shalt not kill thyself' is directly linked by extension of 'thou shalt not kill'. Although probably used as a control mechanism in cases where the removal of oneself would be contrary to the interests of state or church, I would think it more likely that it was a generalization of the 'sanctity of life' principle and is reflective of an inborn abhorrence of death. Also, the concept of only 'god can giveth life' and only 'god should taketh away' comes into play too. Now that it seems humanity might be able to 'giveth life' to some degree, the 'sanctity' of life appears to be threatened and the issues surrounding control over death are coming up as well.

I think that society might be able to learn a little more about the thorny ethical issues surrounding the manipulating of life and its' 'sanctity' through cloning and other technologies, by dealing with the issues that those already alive must face with dying and disease. I think everyone of normal genetic character has an inborn recognition that any human intervention in the life cycle of our species, at both ends, must be preceded by a deep respect for the consequences both material and otherwise.

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#4 AgentNyder

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Posted 08 August 2003 - 02:03 PM

I really am getting sick and tired of people's uprighteous morals.

Suicide is the choice of the individual - it shouldn't matter if it's an elderly patient in severe pain or a seventeen year old girl; the state should not intervene.

Has anyone ever read Gary Becker's 'The Economics of Suicide', not too sure how relevant that is but it could be an interesting read. He mentioned something about optimisation of utility flows and disutility flows.

#5 Mind

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Posted 08 August 2003 - 02:19 PM

A distinction should be made in this topic between Suicide and Euthanasia.

From Websters: Euthanasia - "The act or practice of ending the life of an individual suffering from a terminal illness or an incurable condition, as by lethal injection or the suspension of extraordinary medical treatment."

Suicide is of course taking one's own life.

It is a fine distinction between taking your own life and telling someone else to do it for you, but one that should be made.

I am with Agent Nyder on this one. If people want to die they should do it themselves. There are many messy moral problems that crop up when you invite other people to kill you, especially the government (ie. National Health Care)

#6 kevin

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Posted 08 August 2003 - 03:07 PM

AgentNyder,

The far reaching effects of the loss of any potentially productive member is certainly an issue that society must always have an interest in. In addition to the loss of the individual themselves, the conditions which often give rise to the desire for death, especially by individuals who are not suffering physical pain or debilitation, are often linked to biological or sociological reasons which should be looked at in detail for altruistic as well as selfish purposes.

Restricting an adult individuals' freedom to make that choice however, is another thing altogether. Should someone remain steadfast in a decision to die, after receiving counselling and whatever assistance that can be provided to rescue the adult individual from the desire for death, the choice is ultimately theirs, although the use of public money to what is tantamount to suicide will probably be questioned in non-palliative cases.

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Thanks for the clarification Mind, the issues of assisted suicide are definitely many and except in extreme cases where an individual is unable to initiate the process (ie. Lou Gehrigs Disease or coma for instance) I totally believe that it should be the individual themselves pushing the button and taking responsbility for what is a very personal decision.




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