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any studies on deprenyl started early on age?


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#1 medievil

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Posted 10 February 2007 - 07:56 PM


just wondering, because i am 18 years old and i want to take 5mg a day for ADD

there are studies done on animals, but did these studies show any beneficial or destructive effect when started very early?

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Posted 11 February 2007 - 11:08 AM

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L-Deprenyl has also been called a "Smart Drug", but again because it may protect against the effects of aging in the brain. The Japanese researcher Kenichi Kitani has shown that deprenyl can greatly increase the activity of SuperOxide Dismutase and Catalase in the striatum of rat brains, but above a certain dose level, deprenyl reduces the activity of these antioxidant enzymes. Deprenyl also binds to MonoAmine Oxidase B (MAO-B), opposing the increasing activity of that enzyme in aging brains & hearts. Deprenyl particularly reduces neuron loss in the rat frontal cortex and hippocampus. "

hmm wondering what level is decreases SOD
http://www.nootropic...rugs/index.html

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#3 medievil

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Posted 12 February 2007 - 04:56 PM

bump

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Posted 12 February 2007 - 05:20 PM

I think this is a question you should rather consult with your doctor. Deprenyl is experimentally used as an ADD drug, but I'm at the moment unaware of it's effectiveness regarding this subject. Have other AD(H)D drugs failed for you?

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Posted 12 February 2007 - 06:12 PM

I think this is a question you should rather consult with your doctor. Deprenyl is experimentally used as an ADD drug, but I'm at the moment unaware of it's effectiveness regarding this subject. Have other AD(H)D drugs failed for you?

my doc sucks, last time i asked him for modafinil, and he was like freaking out "its a cns stimulant, i cant give you that, and since then he tell me to take ritaline 1 every 2 days [huh] )

honestly, not gonna discuss anything with my doc, let me decide waht medication to take :)

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Posted 12 February 2007 - 08:24 PM

its a cns stimulant, i cant give you that, and since then he tell me to take ritaline 1 every 2 days


You need to find yourself a new doctor.

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Posted 13 February 2007 - 04:22 AM

You need to find yourself a new doctor.


I agree with this, the man obviously doesn't even know how ritalin works.

Once you find yourself a new doctor, talk to him about ADD treatments and hopefully he'll be a bit more knowledgeable and approachable about it.

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Posted 13 February 2007 - 04:48 AM

just wondering, because i am 18 years old and i want to take 5mg a day for ADD

there are studies done on animals, but did these studies show any beneficial or destructive effect when started very early?


If you wanted to try it at 5mg, you'd probably be better off taking the 6mg skin patch instead called Emsam (deprenyl patch), which was recently approved to treat depression. If you used the patch, it would keep levels of the drug level throughout the day, and it would also eliminate any concerns about dietary tyramine interactions. Emsam is already a very popular antidepressant as was just introduced just last year. In trials it had a higher compliance rate than any other antidepressant, up to 94%. The most common complaint seems to be insomnia.

As far as concerns about the drug goes, I'd personally feel much safer being on a 6mg Emsam patch than Ritalin. The thing about Emsam/Deprenyl is that if it had a positive effect for your ADD, it would probably take several weeks (you should probably give it 6 weeks) to work whereas Ritalin would begin working more quickly. But Ritalin makes some people's attention span worse. You just won't know until you try.

Some people with ADD report positive results with Provigil, and I'd also personally feel better about being on this than Ritalin, but this is just my personal opinion.

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Posted 13 February 2007 - 03:44 PM

"I'd personally feel much safer being on a 6mg Emsam patch than Ritalin."

i'm not to sure about that, anywhay a doc wont know the answer of my question imo, i'm really conserned it would dramatically shorten my lifespan if it lowers those antioxidant enzymes
i'm very young, i beleive there's a pretty big chance

"I agree with this, the man obviously doesn't even know how ritalin works."
true, he actually sees it as some placebo thing or something, he said before he's skeptical about it because he said it doenst work on many kids in his practise

well not really suprised about that, if he really tells ppl to take 1 every 2 days ><

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Posted 13 February 2007 - 08:12 PM

honestly, not gonna discuss anything with my doc, let me decide waht medication to take ;)


Well... I can neither disagree nor disagree with your decison not to consult your doctor, since I don't know him/her. What I can say is that brain entrainment via Neuro Programmer has helped me a great deal and may help you as well, perhaps you should give that a try.

Also, your doctor may not have the deepest understanding of the mechanisms through which ritalin works, and, for a lark you may want to ask him to define his understanding of a CNS stimulant for you.

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Posted 14 February 2007 - 03:07 AM

just wondering, because i am 18 years old and i want to take 5mg a day for ADD

there are studies done on animals, but did these studies show any beneficial or destructive effect when started very early?


It's pretty cheap online buy it and try it.

J Child Adolesc Psychopharmacol. 2006 Aug;16(4):404-15. Links
Placebo-controlled study examining effects of selegiline in children with attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder.Rubinstein S, Malone MA, Roberts W, Logan WJ.
Division of Neurology, Brain and Behaviour Programme, The Hospital for Sick Children, Toronto, Ontario, Canada.

There is evidence suggesting a role for dopamine in attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD). Pharmacological treatments that act on the dopamine system have been successful in reducing ADHD symptoms. However, unlike traditional stimulants (i.e., methylphenidate), selegiline is a monoamine oxidase inhibitor (MAOI) that has been shown to reduce ADHD symptoms without producing undesirable side effects. In this study using a randomized, double- blind, placebo-controlled, crossover design, cognitive tasks and behavioral rating scales were administered to measure the effectiveness of selegiline in treating different symptoms of ADHD in 11 children aged 6-13. Results indicate that selegiline may target specific symptoms of ADHD including: sustained attention, the learning of novel information, hyperactivity, and peer interactions. Because the drug was not associated with negative side effects and did not specifically reduce symptoms of impulsivity, selegiline may be a preferred treatment for individuals who present with the primarily inattentive subtype of ADHD.

J Child Adolesc Psychopharmacol. 2004 Fall;14(3):418-25. Links
Selegiline in comparison with methylphenidate in attention deficit hyperactivity disorder children and adolescents in a double-blind, randomized clinical trial.Mohammadi MR, Ghanizadeh A, Alaghband-Rad J, Tehranidoost M, Mesgarpour B, Soori H.
Department of Psychiatry, Tehran University of Medical Sciences, Psychiatry and Clinical Psychology Research Center, Roozbeh Hospital, Tehran, Iran.

OBJECTIVES: The aim of this study was to examine the selegiline treatment compared to methylphenidate (MPH) in children and adolescents with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD). METHOD: Forty subjects, aged 6-15 years, boys and girls, who were diagnosed as having ADHD, using the criteria of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders- Fourth Edition (DSM-IV), were randomly assigned to receive either selegiline or MPH for 60 days. Treatment outcomes were assessed using the Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Scale (ADHS) administered at baseline and on days 14, 28, 42, and 60 following the commencement of treatment. Side effects were also rated. RESULTS: There were no significant differences between sex, age, weight, and ethnicity of participants in the 2 groups. Both groups showed a significant improvement over the 60 days of treatment resulting from the teachers' and parents' ADHS scores across the treatment. CONCLUSION: Following the trial, MPH did not effect greater mean improvement as a result of the parents' or teachers' ADHS scores than selegiline. Thus, selegiline appears to be effective and well tolerated for ADHD in children and adolescents.

Prog Neuropsychopharmacol Biol Psychiatry. 2003 Aug;27(5):841-5. Links
Selegiline in the treatment of attention deficit hyperactivity disorder in children: a double blind and randomized trial.Akhondzadeh S, Tavakolian R, Davari-Ashtiani R, Arabgol F, Amini H.
Roozbeh Psychiatric Hospital, Tehran University of Medical Sciences, South Kargar Avenue, Tehran 13334, Iran. s.akhond@neda.net

Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) is a common disorder of childhood that affects 3% to 6% of school-age children. Conventional stimulant medications are recognized by both specialists and parents as useful symptomatic treatment. Nevertheless, approximately 30% of ADHD children treated with them do not respond adequately or cannot tolerate the associated adverse effects. Such difficulties highlight the need for alternative safe and effective medications in the treatment of this disorder. Selegiline is a type B monoamine oxidase inhibitor (MAOI) that is metabolized to amphetamine and methamphetamine stimulant compounds that may be useful in the treatment of ADHD. The authors undertook this study to further evaluate, under double-blind and controlled conditions, the efficacy of selegiline for ADHD in children. A total of 28 children with ADHD as defined by DSM IV were randomized to selegiline or methylphenidate dosed on an age and weight-adjusted basis at selegiline 5 mg/day (under 5 years) and 10 mg/day (over 5 years) (Group 1) and methylphenidate 1 mg/kg/day (Group 2) for a 4-week double-blind clinical trial. The principal measure of the outcome was the Teacher and Parent ADHD Rating Scale. Patients were assessed by a child psychiatrist at baseline, 14 and 28 days after the medication started. No significant differences were observed between the two protocols on the Parent and Teacher Rating Scale scores. Although the number of dropouts in the methylphenidate group was higher than in the selegiline group, there was no significant difference between the two protocols in terms of the dropouts. Decreased appetite, difficulty falling asleep and headaches were observed more in the methylphenidate group.The results of this study must be considered preliminary, but they do suggest that selegiline may be beneficial in the treatment of ADHD. In addition, a tolerable side effect profile may be considered as one of the advantages of selegiline in the treatment of ADHD.

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Posted 14 February 2007 - 10:48 AM

medievil - have you tried modafinil yet?

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#13 medievil

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Posted 15 February 2007 - 05:13 PM

nope, i wanted to try it, but i wonna get a nmda antagonist for my ocd, and moda increases glutamate ><




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