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[Casanova]

Below is an excerpt from "Modern Cosmology: God and the Resurrection of the Dead" by Professor Wolfhart Pannenberg

Professor Wolfhart Pannenberg

When Christian theology conceives of the universe in terms of creation, the universe gets described from the point of view of God, not reversely God by extrapolation from the universe. The fundamental assertion of the doctrine of creation is, that its every existence - from God's point of view - is "contingent". That means: neither existence nor essence of our universe are "necessary" from God's point of view. The universe could be different or not exist at all. It is an implication of the idea of God that he himself cannot be non-existent: That is to say, when God exists, he does so by himself. The universe, by contrast, is contingent. Its existence is a manifestation of God's free decision and its existence continues to depend upon him. In that sense it is created. If the universe would exist "necessarily" as God does, then it would be a correlate of God from eternity and the existence of the universe could not be a manifestation of the freedom and love of God the creator, but it would be a condition of God's own identity, a condition, that would not be within his power.

Tipler is describing a kind of super colossal digital graveyard of the walking dead, that remains stuck in a materiality.
Tipler's book is actually a capitulation to religion. The book masquerades as a kind of step-up, beyond religion, but actually it only displays the bankruptcy of modern physics, and science in general, in trying to explain everything through scientific materialism.
Why Tipler, and company, piggheadedly refuse to accept a creator/designer God, beyond the material realm, is their own personal problem, and phobia, and should be recognized as such, while you read their books.
The "Physics of Immortality" is proof of Weizenbaum's statement that too many scientists are worshiping a God of science/technology, which in this case is the Computer AI God.
The Gnostics would call this kind of Computer God, just another Archon, or Demiurge, that keeps us all prisoners in the material realm.

Tipler tried to storm heaven; tried to build a modern day Tower of Babel, but he only suceeded in proving the hollowness, the Sagan-like hubris, the confounded, unmerited, arrogance of Science/Technology that is drunk with a power-complex.

[DJS]

I will no longer respond or view any of your posts because you refuse to respond to other members' comments and questions. (I think I could count your responses on one hand). Your failure to respond is proof that you lack any substance whatsoever, and that your only skill is in the elaborate creation of preconstructed monologues. If you think you can continue to spout off without offering dialog to back up your ramblings you are gravely mistaken.

Good day
Kissinger

Edited by Kissinger, 29 July 2003 - 01:17 AM.

[Gewis]

Ah, you're too generous, Kissinger.

[DJS]

Gewis, I like you. You are some what religious, but nonetheless reasonable. Reasonable is what matters to me. If I have a disagreement with someone I expect to have a dialog to test the merits of the opposition's arguments. What I can't tolerated is being preached to like I am sitting in pew at church. I dealt with that for far too many years during my childhood, and I refuse to have that happen here.

oh yeah, I like your signature too.

[DJS]

errr, took out that last part as I promised myself I would stop doing AH attacks. [<!--emo&]--><!--endemo-->

But I would like to point out one of Casanova's many indirect ad hominen attacks.

Why Tipler, and company, piggheadedly refuse to accept a creator/designer God, beyond the material realm, is their own personal problem, and phobia, and should be recognized as such, while you read their books

I view this as a personal attack. Tipler and company. Well maybe I happen to agree with Tipler about the lack of evidence for a creator. I am therefore company. Casanova is calling me, and people like me who are not convinced of a divine creator, piggheaded. This statement is an ad hominen attack and should consequently be removed from the forum.

Edited by Kissinger, 29 July 2003 - 03:16 AM.

[Casanova]

Well, here I am.
Did it ever occur to any of you that I might be busy. Hmmm?
Also, I explained elsewhere that I don't want to start flame wars, all over the place, so I have kept my respnoses to a minimum.
I also explained elsewhere that what I am posting polemics, and that you can argue, or sqaubble, over them, amongst yourselves.

I don't see any thoughtful responses to my post here, just attacks.

As for Tipler. His book is filled with nasty cracks towards those he feels are thinking wrongly; he even dumps on Carl Sagan, and implies that he, and me, for that matter, are Human Supremists.

So, Tipler deserves to be called names. The man is a fanatic.