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[luv2increase]

I will be adding oxiracetam to the stack once my order gets here. As I had said in a previous post, I will be adding 150mg X 2 a day.

Pira - 800mg X 3
Ani- 150mg X 2
Oxi- 150mg X 2

This will give me a daily ratio of 8 : 1 : 1 ratio of these three racetams.


What do you all think I may expect adding the Oxi?

Do any of you have experience with using all three at the same time?

What was your ratio?

Was it worth taking all three daily, or did you like taking just a single one or any two better than all three?


I really appreciate your help!

I will be posting my experience with this. My package should be here by Friday, hopefully.

[shamus]

I'm in a similar situation.


My Piracetam and Aniceratam will be in soon, and I don't know how much of each I should be taking.


Will the Aniceratam need an attack dosage?

[luv2increase]

I've never heard of an attack dosage of aniracetam. I started taking the aniracetam after taking piracetam for a few weeks. I didn't use an attack dose for piracetam. I was taking like 1.6 g 3 times a day before the aniracetam. When I got the aniracetam, I tried 300mg X 3 with above. It wasn't pretty! Talk about serious memory problems and brain fog. I've since lowered the dose down to 1.2g X 3 for the piracetam and 150mg X 2 for the aniracetam. This with 1.2 gram of choline bitartrate with my morning breakfast of 4 eggs and 1/2 cup oatmeal is just right!

When the two are combined, lower the dose of both substantially. That is why I'm lowering the piracetam to 800mg X 3 when I add the oxi in order to avoid a repeat experience of my high ani and pira initial dosing scheme.

Some say 10:1 Pir to Ani, and I've also heard 16:1. Ani is strong stuff BTW.

I like the effects of the pir stacked with the ani. I've never tried ani on its own at higher doses though. I prob never will either.

I highly doubt you'd need to utilize an attack dose with it. Make sure you have enough choline in ya though, or else...

[shamus]

In which case, I'm probably thinking 3g Piracetam and 300mg Aniracetam.

Will 500mg Alpha GPC and a couple of eggs be enough?



I'll probably spilt my piracetam into two (morning/evening), but what about aniracetam? I won't be taking at night? Is 300mg in the morning ok?

[luv2increase]

I take my first 150mg dose of aniracetam with my breakfast.

My second dose is around 7-7 1/2 after that with a little food.


Your choline looks good. You'll just have to try it out to make sure. If you don't get a stiff neck, tired, brain fog, headaches, and you feel great; it is just right. To get to that point, you'll have to experiment a little. I was lucky to get to that point within a week or so of messing around with doses.

[psychenaut]

The racetams seem to have a pretty big individual variability. Based on customer feedback I would say:

25-35% of people have no reaction to racetams. Nothing.

Of the 65-75% that do, about half find immediate results, the other half ramp up over time (1-2 months).

Personally I find an interesting effect that I have never seen mentioned- they reduce or eliminate hangovers for me if I take them approx 1-2 hours before alcohol intake.

Now, I am not a big drinker, and am very sensitive to alcohol, 4 glasses of wine will usually give me a headache the next day unless I preload with a racetam. Aniracetam seems to work best.

This all does make sense, aniracetam has some research showing analgesic qualities.

Pram is my favorite overall, much less "sleepies" than piracetam. Pram and Oxi seem to give me the best results for creative situations (listening to music, writing, coding). Phenylpiracetam is the only one of the bunch to have a physically stimulative component (enjoy: 8-12 hours!). The Russians claim phenylpiracetam is in the medicine box on the International Space Station for "as needed" use.

FWIW, YMMV.

Cheers,
Pete
RelentlessImprovement.com

[luv2increase]

The racetams seem to have a pretty big individual variability. Based on customer feedback I would say:

25-35% of people have no reaction to racetams. Nothing.

Of the 65-75% that do, about half find immediate results, the other half ramp up over time (1-2 months).

Personally I find an interesting effect that I have never seen mentioned- they reduce or eliminate hangovers for me if I take them approx 1-2 hours before alcohol intake.

Now, I am not a big drinker, and am very sensitive to alcohol, 4 glasses of wine will usually give me a headache the next day unless I preload with a racetam. Aniracetam seems to work best.

This all does make sense, aniracetam has some research showing analgesic qualities.

Pram is my favorite overall, much less "sleepies" than piracetam. Pram and Oxi seem to give me the best results for creative situations (listening to music, writing, coding). Phenylpiracetam is the only one of the bunch to have a physically stimulative component (enjoy: 8-12 hours!). The Russians claim phenylpiracetam is in the medicine box on the International Space Station for "as needed" use.

FWIW, YMMV.

Cheers,
Pete
RelentlessImprovement.com

I have read about phenylpiracetam. I believe that would be nice to experiment with. Maybe one day, it will be readily accessible at the current price range that piracetam is now? That would be great; otherwise, it is out of my price range.

Edited by luv2increase, 28 March 2007 - 08:27 PM.

[medievil]

The racetams seem to have a pretty big individual variability. Based on customer feedback I would say:

25-35% of people have no reaction to racetams. Nothing.

Of the 65-75% that do, about half find immediate results, the other half ramp up over time (1-2 months).

Personally I find an interesting effect that I have never seen mentioned- they reduce or eliminate hangovers for me if I take them approx 1-2 hours before alcohol intake.

Now, I am not a big drinker, and am very sensitive to alcohol, 4 glasses of wine will usually give me a headache the next day unless I preload with a racetam. Aniracetam seems to work best.

This all does make sense, aniracetam has some research showing analgesic qualities.

Pram is my favorite overall, much less "sleepies" than piracetam. Pram and Oxi seem to give me the best results for creative situations (listening to music, writing, coding). Phenylpiracetam is the only one of the bunch to have a physically stimulative component (enjoy: 8-12 hours!). The Russians claim phenylpiracetam is in the medicine box on the International Space Station for "as needed" use.

FWIW, YMMV.

Cheers,
Pete
RelentlessImprovement.com

have you taken pram, pir and oxy togheter? or pram with oxy, do they work great in synergy?
thx

[mrak1979]

Always been wary of pram's NO releasing effect. I'm at 4800 pir + 1600 oxy per day. SKipped ani because of small halflife (~2hrs?).

[luv2increase]

Always been wary of pram's NO releasing effect.  I'm at 4800 pir + 1600 oxy per day. SKipped ani because of small halflife (~2hrs?).

That oxiracetam dose has to be very expensive. Who do you obtain your oxi from if you don't mind my asking? How long have you been using that dosing scheme? How do you divide up your doses? What do you notice in combing the two over just using piracetam alone?

Sorry if too many questions. I am just very curious as to your experience with this.

Thanks

[EmbraceUnity]

I had been taking 1600mg of Piracetam (Relentless Improvement) every morning. I had noticed that every so often I would have a rush of something hit my brain, kind of similar to when blood rushes to the brain, and it made me slightly dizzy. It wasn't exciting nor was it nauseating, it was just a brief and mild effect. Nevertheless, as a result of this, I decided to reduce my dosage to 800mg and have been happier with the results.

I haven't tried any of the other racetams. I am weary of their safety since there doesn't seem to be much research relative to other supplements. Besides, the others are much more expensive.

[mrak1979]

Relentless Improvement. I heard Oxy seems to enhance Pir effects. 1600mg pir + 800mg oxy + 300mg agpc 2x day, 1600mg pir 1x. I've just started, so I can't say what effects I get from adding oxy. Expensive, yes, but if oxy does enhance pir, it's worth it to me.

[saphir]

First post here. I’m not really good in English but I’ll do my best.

Piracetam: a must in any nootropic stack because it potentialize almost all others and it cost about nothing. Good for creativity but high dose are making me ADD like… I prefer very low dose like 400mg/day, separated in 2 doses.

Aniracetam: boost creativity, productivity but also very good for stress, motivation and mood. Very good to work under pressure. Unfortunately, half-life is too short and it’s effective only with meals. For me 4 doses of 400mg is best.

Oxiracetam: very good for focus and creativity, piracetam like but much stronger. 800mg/day with piracetam gives me very good results.

Pramiracetam: the best in all fields, creativity, focus, mood, motivation, verbal fluency and more. It’s simply the ultimate smart drug. Using other racetams with pram makes no difference in results but potentialize it. The only problem is price but adding 400mg of piracetam to 600mg of pram gives me very good results. Too much pramiracetam is very nice in feelings but counterproductive in some situations: it’s making me always lost in my mind, doing nothing.

Nefiracetam: never tried because of concerns about testicular toxicity.

Phenylpiracetam: this one is a very good pick-me-up when needed… the very best in that field. I would say that it’s about like mixing Aniracetam, modafinil and a pinch of amphetamines but without the aggressivity and anxiety of modafinil and without the euphoria and the “down” of amphetamines. The effect is very stable and disappears with no hurt.

[hst1]

Interesting information Saphir....Thanks I've read some other posts that recomended low/micro dose Piracetam. I'm new to nootropics and was planning on starting out at about 600mg a day. And now that I read you post - it most likely will be 400mg.

Can you post your current nootropic stack?

[luv2increase]

Interesting information Saphir....Thanks      I've read some other posts that recomended low/micro dose Piracetam.  I'm new to nootropics and was planning on starting out at about 600mg a day.  And now that I read you post - it most likely will be 400mg.

Can you post your current  nootropic stack?

If you notice he is using 1600mg aniracetam a day. The reason he felt like he had ADD symptoms when he used a higher dose a piracetam is because he is using such a high amount of aniracetam. When you use more than 1 racetam compound at a time, you have to lower the doses of each, otherwise you will get the so-called ADD symptoms of which saphir talks about.

You most likely will not see anything using such a low dose, especially if you don't AT LEAST use an attack dose first. If you don't use an attack dose, and you decide to use 400mg a day, don't expect to see anything for months if at all.

You will have to try it out for yourself though.

[shamus]

Are piracetam and aniracetam best taken on a full or empty stomach?

[hst1]

Here is a link with a few people that are happy with micro dosing piracetam (under 800mg day) without stacking it with other racetams.

http://www.imminst.o...f=169&t=8810&s=

I have found many others but don't have the links.

[luv2increase]

Are piracetam and aniracetam best taken on a full or empty stomach?

Piracetam = water soluble ---> take on empty stomach

Aniracetam = fat soluble ----> take with a little food

What I do with the aniracetam is this. I get a spoon, put my aniracetam in it, put my idebenone in it, then pour EVOO (extra virgin olive oil) on top. I mix the stuff all nicely and take it after a few bites of food. After this, I will proceed to eat the rest of my meal and take the rest of my supplements.

[alterego]

The racetams seem to have a pretty big individual variability. Based on customer feedback I would say:

25-35% of people have no reaction to racetams. Nothing.

Of the 65-75% that do, about half find immediate results, the other half ramp up over time (1-2 months).

Thanks for this statistical information, quite helpful. Do you also have insight into possible or probable side effects? My experience with pira and ani is that they seem to promote inflammation. At least in my case.

[luv2increase]

My experience with pira and ani is that they seem to promote inflammation. At least in my case.

In what ways have you noticed this?

[saphir]

Interesting information Saphir....Thanks       I've read some other posts that recomended low/micro dose Piracetam.  I'm new to nootropics and was planning on starting out at about 600mg a day.  And now that I read you post - it most likely will be 400mg.

Can you post your current  nootropic stack?

Not too much things in it right now and no need to add anything. I'm 40.

Complete multivitamines
50mg dhea
400mg Piracetam
600mg Pramiracetam
1g AlphaGPC
1.25mg Deprenyl
1000mg Bacopa
4g Fish oil high EPA

As needed and depending on what's in stock:

for quick extra energy: Tyrosine, Caffeine
for stress: Rhodiola Rosea, Theanine
for heavy load situations: Phenylpiracetam, Modafinil
for specials: Vasopressin

I would start with 4000mg of Piracetam if no other racetam but I know that reaction to piracetam is very different from one person to another. 400 is a very low dose for most.

Edited by saphir, 03 April 2007 - 12:21 PM.

[luv2increase]

You are taking all of that stuff and recommending to start off with 400mg piracetam??? I think all that is messin with your head, seriously.

[saphir]

You are taking all of that stuff and recommending to start off with 400mg piracetam???  I think all that is messin with your head, seriously.

Sorry there was a zero missing... corrected [sfty]

[alterego]

My experience with pira and ani is that they seem to promote inflammation. At least in my case.

In what ways have you noticed this?

I have a light form of rheumatic arthritis. After I take pira or ani with choline, my inflammation symptoms flare up to a level that's really unpleasant. The role of choline alone is dubious, since it reduces symptoms on short notice, but only for a few day's. I think I isolated the problem to the piracetam and / or aniracetam.
During this period my hCRP also was elevated quite a bit, but to be honest, that cannot definitely be linked to the supplements.

But nobody is equal nor perfect.