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#1 DJS

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Posted 07 August 2003 - 01:52 AM


Schwarzenegger: I will go to Sacramento and clean house.

Brilliant, simply brilliant. Schwarzenegger feigns support for some obscure Republican only to renig and unleash a 1-2 snucka punch. This is Grey Davis' worst nightmare. I actually like Schwarzenegger as a candidate. He's economically conservative and socially liberal, which is the only way you can be elected as a Republican in California. (Too bad all Republicans aren't this way :p) )

Schwarzenegger Announces Calif. Gov. Bid
ERICA WERNER, AP
August 6, 2003

LOS ANGELES - Arnold Schwarzenegger ended the suspense Wednesday and jumped into the race for California governor, instantly becoming the best-known of the declared candidates seeking to replace Democrat Gray Davis in a recall.

The surprise announcement by the "Terminator" actor, a moderate Republican, capped a day of fast-paced developments in one of the most unpredictable political races in recent history.

Earlier in the day, Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein had ruled out a run, labeling the election "more and more like a carnival every day." And political commentator Arianna Huffington declared she would run as an independent.

Schwarzenegger, 56, announced his decision during a taping of "The Tonight Show with Jay Leno," calling it the toughest he's made since deciding to get a bikini wax in 1978.

"The politicians are fiddling, fumbling and failing," he said. "The man that is failing the people more than anyone is Gray Davis. He is failing them terribly, and this is why he needs to be recalled and this is why I am going to run for governor."

Schwarzenegger's advisers had said in recent days that he was leaning against putting his name on the Oct. 7 election ballot because of opposition from his wife, journalist Maria Shriver.

Schwarzenegger told Leno that he's not afraid of Davis allies attacking him as "a womanizer" or "a terrible person." "I know that they're going to throw everything at me," he said.

Neither the governor's office nor Davis' political campaign office immediately returned telephone calls seeking a response to Schwarzenegger's announcement.

Former Los Angeles Mayor Richard Riordan, another moderate Republican, has said he would enter the race if Schwarzenegger did not, and polls have shown Riordan would be a stronger candidate. Riordan's spokeswoman said before Schwarzenegger's decision was made public that the former mayor was deliberating with his family and that no announcement was scheduled before Friday.

Feinstein's decision not to run gave a big boost to Davis, while frustrating some Democrats who wanted her to run to ensure the governorship would remain in the party's hands if Davis lost.

"After thinking a great deal about this recall, its implications for the future, and its misguided nature, I have decided that I will not place my name on the ballot," Feinstein said in a statement.

"I deeply believe the recall is a terrible mistake and will bring to the depth and breadth of California instability and uncertainty, which will be detrimental to our economic recovery and decision-making," she said.

The recall election is yet another setback for Davis, who has seen his popularity plummet as the state grapples with a record $38 billion budget deficit.

It also is the latest force to bedevil Californians, who in recent years have endured an energy crisis, the collapse of the dot-com economy and a federally mandated cutback in one of the state's main water supplies. Residents now face the prospect of higher car taxes and college fees to close the state's budget gap.

Davis is the first California governor to face a recall and would be only the second governor nationwide to be removed from office if the effort succeeds.

Analysts from both parties believed the governor's chances for survival would have dramatically diminished if Feinstein, who tops polls as California's most popular politician, was on the ballot as an alternative.

Her decision came a day after a strong endorsement for Davis from the AFL-CIO. Both developments were key victories for the governor, whose support from fellow party members had appeared to be weakening.

"I'm very pleased with Sen. Feinstein's announcement," Davis told San Francisco radio station KGO-AM.

"To the extent that Democrats get in the race, it makes it look like a normal election, and legitimates what is really an effort by the right wing to steal back an election they couldn't win last November," he said. "I think at the end of the day people will realize that the party is better served rallying around its sitting governor."

Some party members still thought otherwise.

"I want to back the strongest candidate and it's important that we coalesce around one, and now I'm appealing to the leaders, the folks whose pay grade is one or two notches up from mine, to figure out who our strongest candidate is and lead us in coalescing behind that candidate," said Rep. Brad Sherman, D-Calif., who had supported a Feinstein candidacy.

One possibility was U.S. Rep. Loretta Sanchez, who had supported a Feinstein candidacy and said she might run if Feinstein didn't.

"I have a feeling something will be decided tomorrow probably one way or the other," said Sanchez's spokeswoman, Carrie Brooks.

Members of California's congressional delegation discussed the matter in a conference call Wednesday, with the majority leaning toward finding a consensus candidate, said a source familiar with the discussion who spoke on condition of anonymity.

Huffington, the ex-wife of former Republican Congressman Michael Huffington, announced her candidacy at a news conference in Los Angeles.

"I'm not, to say the least, a conventional candidate. But these are not conventional times," she said. "And if we keep electing the same kind of politicians who got us into the same kind of mess funded by the same kind of special interests, we'll never get out of this mess."

Michael Huffington also has taken out papers, but has not indicated whether he will enter the race.

The ballot also is likely to include several conservative Republicans. U.S. Rep. Darrell Issa, who funded the recall, is a declared candidate, and state Sen. Tom McClintock filed papers Tuesday. Businessman Bill Simon, who lost to Davis in November, also is expected to run.

Edited by Kissinger, 07 August 2003 - 02:36 AM.


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Posted 07 August 2003 - 03:58 AM

I have to admit to being ambivalent about Schwarzenegger as an individual. On the one hand he has presented in vivid and memorable ways a number of Transhumanist (though not Immortalist) ideas in his Terminator films and in Total Recall. But on the other hand you could argue that his film "career," characterized by portrayals of gratuitous violence, has contributed to the general coarsening of American culture. Maybe both countries would have been better off if Schwarzenegger had stayed in his native Austria.

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Posted 07 August 2003 - 05:58 AM

Well, I personally enjoyed many of Schwarzenegger's movies. To list a few: Twins, True Lies, Kindergarten Cop, Junior, Last Action Hero, 3 Terminator movies, Total Recall, Predator (you're one ugly mother... [lol] ), The Running Man, Commando, and both Conans.

My view on violence in America...Did you ever see Happy Gilmore? Remember that big scary guy with the nail stuck in his head? Remember what his shirt said? "Guns don't kill people, I kill people." That scene always cracks me up.

Coarsening of American culture? Please, America didn't need Arnold's help for that. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar and sometimes a movie is just a movie. AA, I get the distinct feeling you are you trying to blow smoke up my ass. I'm not going to see a movie on the big screen if its a PBS documentary. I want fast paced action.

This whole fiasco in California amuses me. And let's admit it, the terminator beats boring Grey Davis hands down.

Sometimes you need to sit back, relax, and enjoy the show. [huh]

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Posted 07 August 2003 - 10:45 PM

He's economically conservative and socially liberal, which is the only way you can be elected as a Republican in California. (Too bad all Republicans aren't this way


Be careful what you wish for Kissinger. By socially liberal I assume you mean supportive of national health care. My feeling is that immortalists should not support a national health care innitiative. It will inevitably lead to politicians choosing who lives forever and who dies. Each one of us should be able to choose for ourselves the length of our lives. KEEP THE GOVERNMENT OUT OF IT!

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Posted 07 August 2003 - 11:26 PM

Mind, I was being very general. I was implying pro choice (and all of its collateral issues, ie, stem cell and other biotech areas), pro gay rights, pro gun control, and anti death penalty. Those are my big ones.

This could be a thread onto itself, but I'll go into my opinion on national health care.

I am 100% against any national health care system for the very reason you stated above...I don't want the government gettin all up in my grill. :p) More government leads to more bureaucracy. More bureaucracy leads to more institutions like the FDA. (Let's assume we all understand why the FDA blows).

I am for individualized medicine. I am for a wider variety of treatments (experimental and otherwise). I am for ultimate authority over my body, in every regard.

I am in favor of having a system in place where treatments and substances, instead of being banned out right, would be labeled either FDA approved or Not FDA approved.

However, I am also in favor of community out reach where the poorer segments of society are given basic medical treatment. This wouldn't be a universal system, but rather a targeted approach to deal with the current inadequacies in the health care system. In the long run, this would actually save the tax payer money, as preventative medicine is much cheaper than aggressive treatments against already existing disease.

Just my two cents
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Posted 08 August 2003 - 12:05 AM

Back on topic...

Riordan advisor on Schwarzenegger announcement: So this is what it feels like to be mugged.

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Posted 08 August 2003 - 12:20 AM

Pile driver! Nelson ratings: Leno/Schwarzenegger 23 spot in LA, 20 spot in San Fran


Birth Name: Arnold Alois Schwarzenegger
Birthday: July 30, 1947
Birth Place: Thal, Styria, Austria
Also credited as: Arnold Strong

Has been married to actress Maria Shriver since April 1986 and has 4 kids.
Became a U.S. Citizen in 1983.
Is called by the Guinness Book of World Records, "the most perfectly developed man in the history of the world."
In April 1997 he underwent heart surgery correct a congenital heart valve condition.
In 1982 he did a fitness video called "Shape Up with Arnold".
Appeared in the Bon Jovi music video for "Say It Ain't So"
6' 2"
On August 6, 2003 he announced that he is going to run for Governor of California in the recall election to replace the current governor, Gray Davis.

Movie Resume

Terminator 3: The Rise Of The Machines (2003) - T-800
Joe's Last Chance (2003) -
True Lies 2 (2003) - Harry Tasker
Collateral Damage (2002) - Gordon Brewer
Dr. Dolittle 2 (2001) - White Wolf
The 6th Day (2000) - Adam Gibson
End of Days (1999) - Jericho Cane
Batman & Robin (1997) - Mr. Freeze/Dr. Victor Fries
Eraser (1996) - U.S. Marshal John Kruger
Jingle All the Way (1996) - Howard "Howie" Langston (really funny movie)
Beretta's Island (1994) - Himself
Junior (1994) - Dr. Alex Hesse
True Lies (1994) - Harry Tasker
Last Action Hero (1993) - Himself/Jack Slater
Dave (1993) - Himself
Christmas in Connecticut (1992) - Man in Chair
Lincoln (1992) - voice of John G. Nicolay
Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991) - T-800
Kindergarten Cop (1990) - Detective John Kimble
Total Recall (1990) - Douglas Quiad
Red Heat (1988) - Cpt. Ivan Danko, Russian Police Force
Twins (1988) - Julius Benedict
Predator (1987) - Major Alan "Dutch" Schaefer
The Running Man (1987) - Ben Richards
Raw Deal (1986) - Mark Kaminsky
Commando (1985) - Colonel John Matrix
Red Sonja (1985) - Kalidor
Conan the Destroyer (1984) - Conan
The Terminator (1984) - T-800
Carnival in Rio (1983) - Host
Conan the Barbarian (1982) - Conan
The Jayne Mansfield Story (1980) - Mickey Hargitay
Scavenger Hunt (1979) - Lars
The Villian (1979) - Handsome Stranger
Pumping Iron (1977) - Himself
Stay Hungry (1976) - Joe Santo
The Long Goodbye (1973) - One of Augustine's Hoods
Hercules in New York (1970) - Hercules




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