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[raihan mirza]

Hi, this is actually my very first post. I have actually recently heard about nootropics recently and got really interested when people began creating pills that are extremely effective in enhancing memory, focus and concentration. I especially need this kind of stuff cause I am a premed freshmen in college and would greatly benefit from nootropic pills. Can anyone provide me with a recipe in which I can create such an effective pill? Like what are the ingredients, what will I nee to make such pills what are the costs nd where can I get the ingredients?

[ajnast4r]

sleep & caffeine

[edward]

raihan,

This is such a complicated issue and there is no one size fits all approach. My advice (as I started with nootropics for the same reasons as you to study more effectively) is to try a comprehensive formula from a reputable company and try not to tweak things too much as you can really screw yourself up if you don't have experience. Furthermore the younger you are the less in the way of nootropics you need.

try AOR Ortho-Mind as it seems to be a fairly complete formula and AOR is reputable

[Shepard]

What are your diet and exercise like? Plus what ajnast4r posted.

[raihan mirza]

raihan,

This is such a complicated issue and there is no one size fits all approach. My advice (as I started with nootropics for the same reasons as you to study more effectively) is to try a comprehensive formula from a reputable company and try not to tweak things too much as you can really screw yourself up if you don't have experience. Furthermore the younger you are the less in the way of nootropics you need.

try AOR Ortho-Mind as it seems to be a fairly complete formula and AOR is reputable

About AOR Ortho-Mind, where can I purchase such a product, can I buy it from a GNC store or something. Would it enhance my pre-med learning ability? After using this product what should I do next do better develop a Nootropic to increase by studying ability?

[raihan mirza]

Wow I just looked up Ortho-Mind and its worth $80 for 180 capsules. Thats really expensive!

[luv2increase]

raihan,

This is such a complicated issue and there is no one size fits all approach. My advice (as I started with nootropics for the same reasons as you to study more effectively) is to try a comprehensive formula from a reputable company and try not to tweak things too much as you can really screw yourself up if you don't have experience. Furthermore the younger you are the less in the way of nootropics you need.

try AOR Ortho-Mind as it seems to be a fairly complete formula and AOR is reputable

You say there is no "one size fits all", yet you recommend AOR ortho-mind. I think it is much better and funner to tweak one's own nootropic regimen.


Anyways, miraz, like I've stated in other threads, you want to start out with a basic piracetam and choline source (cdp-choline, alpha-gpc, lecithin, choline citrate, choline bitartrate, DMAE, centrophenoxine). Take piracetam and choose one of the choline sources I have listed in parentheses. The cheap route would be to buy piracetam in a bulk powder format from bulknutrition.com or BAC (beyond-a-century.com). If you are tight on money, also buy choline citrate or bitartrate. If you want to "step it up a notch" (as Emerald Lagasse would say), you can add ALCAR a.k.a. acetyl-l-carnitine and ALA a.k.a. alpha lipoic acid. You can find both of these at bulknutrition.com, but I'm not sure about BAC.

Start low and work your way up. An example starter stack would be like this.

--Piracetam - 800mg 3 times a day (You will have to experiment to see which dose works best for you. Some ppl take up around 2.4 grams 3 times a day or so if not more)
--Choline bitartrate or citrate - 1.5g in morning (You'll have to experiment with doses. When you take piracetam, more acetylcholine is used up in your brain. Taking choline will replenish the lost acetylcholine that is used up quicker due to the piracetam. When you have the right dose, you won't have any trap or neck tension, no tiredness, no brain fog, and no headaches. It may take you awhile to get your right dose.)
--ALCAR - 500mg 3 times a day (You can up it to 1g 2 to 3 times a day if you like. You may notice more energy if you do that.)
--ALA - 200-300mg 2 to 3 times a day (Some ppl prefer to take R-ALA instead. It is, in a sense, more purer. If you decide to the R-ALA form, cut the dose I recommended in half)
--Multi-vitamin (Part of the basics. I use Now Adam.)
--Calcium Magnesium supplement (I believe all should take.)
--Fish oil (Good for overall brain and heart health. A must IMO.)


If you use centrophenoxine, cdp-choline, DMAE, or alpha-gpc (all which are better sources of choline than the others), you will have to lower the dose to around 300mg - 500mg. Again, you will have to experiment. Everyone is different when it comes to these things.


If you take all of these and find the correct dosages, it should help your studying tremendously. One problem is that some ppl don't respond to piracetam. Some ppl respond right away, some take up to a few weeks to fully realize the benefits, and other never notice anything. I, personally, find piracetam awesome. It is a theory of mine that the people that don't respond well to the racetams have elevated cortisol within their bodies. This will be a topic I will be bringing up within a few weeks. Until then, I hope all works well for you. After awhile of experimentation, you can add different nootropics to your stack. If you really get into it, it will turn into sort of a hobby like it has for me. A lot of things that you can add will elevate your mood. I find this diminishes the cravings for altered mind-sets from recreational drugs, tobacco, and/or alcohol. If you have any questions, don't be afraid to ask and welcome to ImmInst.

[raihan mirza]

Wow, after reading this post, Nootropics has suddenly become my #1 hobby, thanks guys!

[edward]

raihan,

This is such a complicated issue and there is no one size fits all approach. My advice (as I started with nootropics for the same reasons as you to study more effectively) is to try a comprehensive formula from a reputable company and try not to tweak things too much as you can really screw yourself up if you don't have experience. Furthermore the younger you are the less in the way of nootropics you need.

try AOR Ortho-Mind as it seems to be a fairly complete formula and AOR is reputable

You say there is no "one size fits all", yet you recommend AOR ortho-mind. I think it is much better and funner to tweak one's own nootropic regimen.

Based upon the guy's situation (a freshman in college studying pre-med). When I was in college I used nootropics as well, I found first off that I didn't need very much (now 10 years later I need more) and too many nootropics tend to give the opposite effect. I remember taking too many nootropics one semester and really screwing up my ability to study. So my recommendation to someone in a situation where bad performance could seriously hinder one's future is to be very cautious and conservative and START off with a low dose of a formula that has been proven to be effective for many people. Low dose is the key though. As to the [airquote] I think it is much better and funner to tweak one's own nootropic regimen. [/airquote], that sounds to me like recreational use which I don't think is what we are talking about here.

[luv2increase]

raihan,

This is such a complicated issue and there is no one size fits all approach. My advice (as I started with nootropics for the same reasons as you to study more effectively) is to try a comprehensive formula from a reputable company and try not to tweak things too much as you can really screw yourself up if you don't have experience. Furthermore the younger you are the less in the way of nootropics you need.

try AOR Ortho-Mind as it seems to be a fairly complete formula and AOR is reputable

You say there is no "one size fits all", yet you recommend AOR ortho-mind. I think it is much better and funner to tweak one's own nootropic regimen.

Based upon the guy's situation (a freshman in college studying pre-med). When I was in college I used nootropics as well, I found first off that I didn't need very much (now 10 years later I need more) and too many nootropics tend to give the opposite effect. I remember taking too many nootropics one semester and really screwing up my ability to study. So my recommendation to someone in a situation where bad performance could seriously hinder one's future is to be very cautious and conservative and START off with a low dose of a formula that has been proven to be effective for many people. Low dose is the key though. As to the [airquote] I think it is much better and funner to tweak one's own nootropic regimen. [/airquote], that sounds to me like recreational use which I don't think is what we are talking about here.

It is much better to tweak one's own regimen and more cost effective also. I don't think you know much of what you are saying. Edward, when you learn a little more about nootropics, you will find that people have to raise and/or lower the doses of the substances in which they are consuming. When you try to take a nootropic formula, this is basically impossible. You can only take 1 capsule for 2 capsules but that is lowering the dosage of all the ingredients. On the other hand, in what I recommended, you can raise or lower each substance "individually". This, my friend, is the beauty of "tweaking" one's own regimen. There is nothing recreational about it. It is sad that you have come to a conclusion such as this, since recreational drug use and ingesting nootropics along with multi-vitamins are two totally different things. I can't believe that you would even consider this as being what you have said. Did I recommend him to take drugs that kill brain cells or cut off oxygen flow to his brain? Seriously, you are trying to find something negative out of a perfectly fine post full of the "right" advice to give to a newcomer to the world of nootropics and HEALTH.

I am very sorry, but what I recommended was NOT too many nootropics. If you look closely, there was only "1" nootropic in what I recommended. On the other hand, your AOR ortho-mind has a few MORE than 1. Everything you just wrote contradicts itself.

[edward]

By too many I meant high dosages. A product like Ortho-Mind or Source Naturals Mega Mind has components that affect numerous neurotransmitter systems, so taking a small dosage of either would be a very balanced way of initially trying nootropics if one doesnt have any experience. That was all that I was saying. I one starts out by picking a nootropic that jacks up the dopamine system or the acetlycholine system and ignores everything else then especially in a young person that is asking for trouble especially when one dosen't know what one's specific needs or deficits are.

[edward]

Low dose and balanced seemed to work best for me when I was this guy's age.

[ageless]

Low dose and balanced seemed to work best for me when I was this guy's age.

I would have to agree with Edward. I feel the effects of AOR's Ortho Mind are most effective when I take a dose that is either moderate to low in comparison to the listed 6 caps/day... so considering the quality of ingredients and their range of actions along with the synergism, it is actually a small price to pay... and if you look around you can find better deals.
Taking 3 caps before studying works well for me and that equals out to 60 doses so just over $1.00 for some of the best brain-nutrients around. I really do think smaller doses of many synergistic nutrients works better than larger doses of just a few nutrients in almost all instances for health, performance, etc...
I know from experience that you can't go wrong with Ortho Mind and I believe AOR even has a new formula in the works. Everyone at AOR must be on Ortho Mind because they certainley know their stuff and come out with impressive supplements that they can back by science. I'm a HUGE fan, in case no one has noticed!!
What else worked for me?... well coffee or tea when needing motivation along with exercise breaks and sleeping just after studying which seems to consolidate information much better; explained as the process by which recent memories are crystallised into long-term memory.
good luck

[luv2increase]

Low dose and balanced seemed to work best for me when I was this guy's age.

I would have to agree with Edward. I feel the effects of AOR's Ortho Mind are most effective when I take a dose that is either moderate to low in comparison to the listed 6 caps/day... so considering the quality of ingredients and their range of actions along with the synergism, it is actually a small price to pay... and if you look around you can find better deals.
Taking 3 caps before studying works well for me and that equals out to 60 doses so just over $1.00 for some of the best brain-nutrients around. I really do think smaller doses of many synergistic nutrients works better than larger doses of just a few nutrients in almost all instances for health, performance, etc...
I know from experience that you can't go wrong with Ortho Mind and I believe AOR even has a new formula in the works. Everyone at AOR must be on Ortho Mind because they certainley know their stuff and come out with impressive supplements that they can back by science. I'm a HUGE fan, in case no one has noticed!!
What else worked for me?... well coffee or tea when needing motivation along with exercise breaks and sleeping just after studying which seems to consolidate information much better; explained as the process by which recent memories are crystallised into long-term memory.
good luck

I don't think huperzine a is anything to be messing around with if you are younger, personally. This is one of the ingredients in the Ortho Mind. This formula seems more geared to individuals in middle age or older. Once again, the dosages that I listed were "not" high. They were actually quite low.

Also, if you notice, the title of this thread is "creating a pill to study effectively". It doesn't say, "what is the best nootropic FORMULA out there".

Quit promoting a nootropic formula and do what the poster asked for. Recommend him stuff to "create" his own blend.

[shamus]

I don't think huperzine a is anything to be messing around with if you are younger, personally. 

I've been taking 150mcg Huperzine (combined with 30mg Vinpocetine) everyday for a couple of months now, to now apparent affect.


I'm currently 18, for what reason do you believe it might not be a great idea for me?

[ageless]

Low dose and balanced seemed to work best for me when I was this guy's age.

I would have to agree with Edward. I feel the effects of AOR's Ortho Mind are most effective when I take a dose that is either moderate to low in comparison to the listed 6 caps/day... so considering the quality of ingredients and their range of actions along with the synergism, it is actually a small price to pay... and if you look around you can find better deals.
Taking 3 caps before studying works well for me and that equals out to 60 doses so just over $1.00 for some of the best brain-nutrients around. I really do think smaller doses of many synergistic nutrients works better than larger doses of just a few nutrients in almost all instances for health, performance, etc...
I know from experience that you can't go wrong with Ortho Mind and I believe AOR even has a new formula in the works. Everyone at AOR must be on Ortho Mind because they certainley know their stuff and come out with impressive supplements that they can back by science. I'm a HUGE fan, in case no one has noticed!!
What else worked for me?... well coffee or tea when needing motivation along with exercise breaks and sleeping just after studying which seems to consolidate information much better; explained as the process by which recent memories are crystallised into long-term memory.
good luck

I don't think huperzine a is anything to be messing around with if you are younger, personally. This is one of the ingredients in the Ortho Mind. This formula seems more geared to individuals in middle age or older. Once again, the dosages that I listed were "not" high. They were actually quite low.

Also, if you notice, the title of this thread is "creating a pill to study effectively". It doesn't say, "what is the best nootropic FORMULA out there".

Quit promoting a nootropic formula and do what the poster asked for. Recommend him stuff to "create" his own blend.

[wis]
Ok dude you need to relax... I'd recomend him 'stuff' similar to what is in Ortho Mind which he can go 'Create' or buy already capped by a trusted quality manufacturer.
I like the studies on Huperzine A and never had any problems at the relatively low dosages of 50mcg from 3 caps before studying.
I think I'm allowed to make a recommendation... it is up to him what he wants to do.

[raihan mirza]

Thanks guys I really apreciate the advice from you guys. I just which the ingredients for the nootropics were a bit more cheaper though.

[shamus]

Thanks guys I really apreciate the advice from you guys. I just which the ingredients for the nootropics were a bit more cheaper though.

Don't we all